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Lucy
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Reply #15 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 7:54am
 
Rob_Roy

Thanks for your post, which did add an interesting perspective. I wish more veterans had the opportunity to speak out publically about what things are really like. I think alot of people are aware of the perspective from which you speak but there are no official spokespersons who are talking about this so it makes it difficult to talk about this publically. Certainly when I stay up late enough to listen to late night talk radio, I end up thinking that there are more sophisticated people out there than probably Rumsfeld et al would like to believe.

We know the Reservists and the Guardspeople are older and have families. As for what it does to families, you have my sympathy. As the child of a WWII veteran who struggled long to understand the alcohol abuse and some of the things that were said, I am sad to think this is happening again. It actually wasn't until the Viet Nam vets had so much trouble that people began to openly talk about the difficulties vets face when they return. My parents' generation suffered the lasting effects of PTSD mostly in silence. The psychologists were only beginning to look at the link between war experience and subsequent alcohol abuse. Yes indedd the pain does not go away.

Now we know alot about that but we seem to ignore it. Probably because of whom it affects. WWII was a draft; everybody went.

I did as a child ask my dad how many people he killed. Naturally he did not answer, nor would he tell me how he got the medals he had, though he did tell my brother, who later told me. One involved an incident that happened when they were in a jeep driving down a road that was being systematically bombed by the Nazi guys, and when you knew the bomb was going to hit your section of the road, you jumped out of the jeep and down the embankment. How do you learn detachment needed for that? I wonder if it is the exposure to such extreme conditions that opens some up to sensitivity to paranormal experiences. Why does it take such extremes to open up?

Do you have any "psychic" experiences you could post here?

I hope you have a great and peaceful time at TMI.

Ryan one thing I noticed in the Jeffrey J. Keene book was that he (Jeffrey) talked about the parallels of working in a military unit and working in a fire-fighting unit. Maybe there is something one learns that can be cross-applied. I guess it is obvious that you would depend on your unit for your well-being in both situations.  ....You post alot here and you bounce all over the place. I assume you have some deep unanswered concerns about the war stuff but you won't understand what the questions really are until you've been there. Good luck.

Marilyn I emailed something about the ghosts site to Cathe and she warmly responded and mentioned that they were putting up more photos, in case your friend is interested.

Alysia your post reminded me that  Five People You Meet in Heaven really does say some things about war and what people learn, though it is hard to reduce the lessons to sentences...they are real but more abstract than words...

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Reply #16 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 9:35am
 
Hi Rob Roy,  Your heartfelt post is incredibly moving to me. I very much appreciate you taking the time to post your thoughts. I'm going to share what you wrote with friends. I wish you the best in your intention to be clear and lucid (I have the same intention for myself).  Love to you and your own, Tim
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Reply #17 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 10:36am
 
Lucy,

I see nonphysical people, I can see with my eyes closed (sometimes), I can tell my girlfriend where her guardian is at any given moment (but not mine, strangely), I communicate with my guardian through a physical means, and I am with someone who understands these things. My guardian is now trying to get me to let go of my ego, or something like that, to communicate more directly. The opportunities for spontaneous OBE's/shifts in conscienceness are much more frequent, although something internal to me continues to resist them, but not always.

These are the biggest personal changes since I was notified I was deploying until now.

Tim,

I read Kyo's posts and found them to be sensible, realistic, and inspiring. My goals, though, are to learn PUL, explore the Afterlife, and take more baby steps to being a HS Serenissimus. I think his posts may be at least a small means to that end.

Love to all,
Bob


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Reply #18 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 4:45pm
 
Bob,

Just wanted to say I'm glad you found this site and I was very moved by your post.  I also want to thank you for your service to our country.

I think whenever we have an experience that brings us close to death or we have witnessed the deaths of others, we want to learn more about what happens after death.  We become more aware of the everyday things in life that maybe we didn't notice before.  I'm happy that you found a girlfriend who has similar interests and that you can explore these things together.   

I was never in the military, although I wanted to be.  I couldn't due to a medical problem, but I learned to deal with the disappointment a long time ago.  I now volunteer with the Coast Guard and that is very rewarding.  I have tremendous respect for those who serve or have served in the past.  Thank you again.

God Bless,
Polly
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Reply #19 - Jun 25th, 2005 at 10:04am
 
Polly,

There are admirable people we can emulate everywhere.

Bob
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Reply #20 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 10:05am
 
I served in the USAF for 10 years through the 80s. I was never in a war but was directly involved in military action in a support capacity on a couple of occasions. My job was aircraft maintenance. I enlisted for a job and fully understood I could be directly involved in fighting. For the first several years I worked on B-52 aircraft. This meant that at times I would be required to work on a plane as it sat on alert fully loaded with nuclear weapons. Before I was allowed to work on alert aircraft I had to pass a psychological exam to be certified. One question I have never forgotten; “Understanding the mission of the aircraft is to deliver nuclear weapons to an enemy target, do you have any reservations performing your duties knowing what it is capable of doing?” As a youngster I had no problem accepting that. Today I’m grateful I never had to face that. I performed my duties faithfully for ten years doing whatever it took to make each mission regardless.

I never had a buddy die in combat but several from accidents on duty and off. I knew aircrew members who died in airplane crashes. I experienced being fired on from the mountains surrounding the flightline and runway in Panama. I earned marksman ribbon in small arms (I consistently qualified usually missing marksman by 1 or 2 points my entire career). I say that to say I was never tested in combat and unsure how I’d react in combat. So I have tremendous respect for those who have experienced combat. I have 2 uncles who were in Vietnam, neither one ever talked about it. Ironically, each had a son that saw action in Desert Storm. I haven’t seen either of my cousins much and don’t know their experience. I got out about 3 months before Desert Shield. And my own brother (an army officer) returned state side from an overseas assignment days before his old unit was called to deploy for Desert Storm.

I’ve read the “War Letters From The Living Dead Man”. I even saved it all in a PDF. It was very fascinating and compelling. As we’ve seen with many retrievals on this board, many do not realize they have died when it has occurred in a traumatic situation. What struck me most were the thoughts of the German soldiers. Thoughts that were no different from someone you’d call friend. As I hear more and more of peoples experience I realize most killing in combat comes from self preservation. Both sides go into battle to defend what they believe. Orders are given and once put in the situation of facing “the enemy” it becomes an issue of shoot and kill them before they kill you. I’ve watched numerous shows on the history channel where they interview soldiers who were part of the particular battle the show is about. It doesn’t seem to matter whether the soldier is American, Russian, German, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, British or whatever, the story is usually pretty much the same. All believe their side is right and they defend themselves. So it becomes justified. Hence the enigma of war.

Loved "Five People You Meet in Heaven"
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