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Re: Holographic Universe
Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 4:17pm
 
hi Rapheal,everyone,

          heres another cutie for ya's,

http://www.hologram.net/theory/thrymenu.htm

  just to add to the topic  Cheesy


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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 5:30pm
 
This thread totally blew my mind, the original post and the site provided was just WOW!.

Some of the guys here seem so smart and they've read all these books and websites and heres me with just my thoughts and ideas and feelings. Quite a humbling experience.

Anyway my qestion, assuming this theory were correct where does the afterlife fit into it? Could it be just another part of the hologram or is it the thing which creates the hologram?
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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 8:46pm
 
well heres me too with just my thoughts and feelings, so join the crowd of the common people. lol. I don't know which came first...the egg or the chicken?
and I don't know if the tree falling sound needs an ear to make it's sound if there is no ear around but I suspect there is sound regardless of the ear. lol.
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how does it relate to the afterlife? fine question! been working on that meself. I suspect myself to be a clone of my higher self. in turn, this clone self spins off other selves, call them thought forms. a thought form can have a type of vitality. it's the creative stuff of the universe.
the best way I know to try and explain holographics is through looking at a photograph. we can now, by adjusting the focus of the lens placed upon a torn off corner of a photo film, reconstruct the entire photo from just the corner, that infers a pattern is there, a holographic pattern observant by focusing the lens a degree or so.
to illustrate this a little more, there is an art in forensics now, they take a skull and build a face around it by using mathematics and intuition and touch. they can then identify who the skull was by searching in the missing persons file.
the pattern that is there is part of the mystery of holographics. we could go on like this all night. lol.
good nite!...
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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 6:47am
 
Sorry I just couldn't resist the "tree question" lol

It depends on your point of view actually. To put it simple :
a) If you believe the vibration of the air is a sound, then the tree makes a sound if nobody is there.
OR
b) Sound is a perception caused when we detect vibrations in the air. So sound wouldn't exist like colors wouldn't exist for our eyes. It's all in our head so we can interact with the world.

Grin

I'm for the second explanation  8)
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 12:10pm
 
wait! sound is a sensory input...what about the animals and bugs being connected to the sound of the wind...and an entire eco system..and do animals percieve color? what is color? color is a vibrational energy too. is curious to think what an animal can percieve. they can hear and smell beyond human senses, I would think they know color. so I go with (a)
what is unseen and unheard still is existent. Grin

and u don't have to answer this, but how can animals travel great distances finding their way home? when even when I have a map I have problems?
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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 1:55pm
 
Ok I get your point.

You are simply stating that it's not because we are not there that it the sound or colors are not there.

But never forget that we aren't directly experiencing our world since everything goes thru our senses.

Colors : Colors are simply different combinations of "wavelengths" that are circulating in the world. So in the world there are no colors. But what's happening is this : our eyes detect these diferent patterns, the brain creates a subjective representation of the world and then creates "colors" so we can better distinguish the diferent objects. But in reality color doesn't exist, it's all in our brain.

Sounds : Same thing is happening. The environment is vibrating (water or air for exemple) and our ears detect theses vibrations and our brain makes us hear diferent sounds so we can better understand how the environment is around us. But in fact the sound is created in your head, it is not an "object in the world".

So there  Grin
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Reply #21 - Apr 26th, 2005 at 6:56pm
 
Hi Raphael-

Yeah - occasionally I'm astounded by those who really know a bunch. I just meditate and read an occasional book, but I've been doing it for close to 70 years.  You have a better start on it than I did.  It took me abpout 30 years (and a loving girl friend) to convince me that there was more than just a material world.

I picked a wave mechanics model because it was fun to fool with. No big deal.  First, let's look at what we're dealing with. It's just information, and the potentialities for information to relate to itself.  When it does this interaction in certain ways, the properties of the clusters of ideas relate to one another just exactly as do the clusters of "real world stuff" (whatever that might be).

The first point is that when two "physical objects" interact they get "used up". BUT when two ideas intreract, they do not get used up. Both of the beginners remain intact. As an example, think of a basket. Now think of a set of wheels. Now think of a couple of handles. You have (a) basket, (b) wheels, (c) handles, and also you have (Ta Da!) a pushcart. The pushcart is formed by the synergy of the ideas. The synergic result is always something more than you started with.

Next, look at the ways that arbitrary ideas interact. Two ideas A and B form a third C (that is, combined ideas idea AB=C), so we get A, B, and C. Now let's do it again. A, B and C go together to form a, B, C (these are the beginners) and also (ab, BC, AC, ABC. So, from two beginners we get three resultants. Let's canmge the labels and call them A, B, C, D, E, F, G. So, from three beginners we get seven resultants. From seven we get 127, and from 127 we get (2^7)-1 or roughly 1.7 x 10^38 (or do you prefer 1.7E38?) etc At this point, most math books will balk and say, "Proof is left to the Reader." It can be figured out on paper, at least in principle, but it's terribly messy.

Since this is an afterlife forum, look at the other places we find the same data. In ancient Egypt, about 5000 years ago, the philosophers recognized that some things were, and some were not. So they got the idea of polarity. In their terms, this was the start of the Cosmos. First there is the vastness of limitless voidness, so vast that it cannot be filled, but within which there is potentiality for anything to occur. Second, there is the specification of anything, such as this instant in spacetime. That is so miniute and specific that no matter how we try we can never dissect it. It is a point with no parts, and with no definition except that it is Here and Now. So we get Generality and Specificity as the beginners for the Cosmos. (Their names were actually Shu and Tefnet. The Budge translation tells us that the Ultimate Creator, Nebertchur, said that he brought forth Shu and Tefnut and in them created himself by grasping himself within his own hand.) Makes me think of a Mobius strip.

So from this initial pair, we get three principles of reality, variously named. These are process, structure and relationships. (Hindus call them the Three Gunas, or Primal Properties, rajas, tamas and sattva.) The soul of the deal must pass through a passage guarded by these three Guardians, and then it enters a space guarded by the Seven Arits, or qualifications of existence. (We know them as the seven fundamental properties of physical space: process, structure, logical relations, changing relations, changing structure, fixed patterns, and spacetime relativity.)

Then the soul enters the Hall of Maat, awaiting judgement. In this hall we find Osiris, who is the collection of all properties into the Ultimate Being. Then we also have all the ways that we can put together the seven Arits. We have 42 ways that we can do it by starting with with process, 42 ways with structure, and 42 ways with relationships. That gives 126 + Osiris, so we have the 127 outcome sets. (That means that the math is OK. It fits the topic.) However, since the three ways to view them are redundant, it is only necessary to deny sinning by actions, and the sins of relationships and structures are covered automatically.

This kind of thing leads off into technicalities of definitions. Maybe the Egyptians invented lawyers, eh? However, these ideas have been around for a long time, and have been useful. A far simpler approach is simply to be joyfully creative in process, be validly logical and aware in relationships, and lovingly kind and accepting in structure.

The idea of a Fourier analysis is simply that anything can be represented as the combination of other things, and from that we get a beginning. My personal favorite is a space in which there might be time. Then that means that it has a second instant, else time doesn't occur. Now we have two beginners and can build a universe. In fact, any dichotomy can be used.

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Reply #22 - Apr 26th, 2005 at 6:57pm
 
Hi Raphael-

Yeah - occasionally I'm astounded by those who really know a bunch. I just meditate and read an occasional book, but I've been doing it for close to 70 years.  You have a better start on it than I did.  It took me abpout 30 years (and a loving girl friend) to convince me that there was more than just a material world.

I picked a wave mechanics model because it was fun to fool with. No big deal.  First, let's look at what we're dealing with. It's just information, and the potentialities for information to relate to itself.  When it does this interaction in certain ways, the properties of the clusters of ideas relate to one another just exactly as do the clusters of "real world stuff" (whatever that might be).

The first point is that when two "physical objects" interact they get "used up". BUT when two ideas intreract, they do not get used up. Both of the beginners remain intact. As an example, think of a basket. Now think of a set of wheels. Now think of a couple of handles. You have (a) basket, (b) wheels, (c) handles, and also you have (Ta Da!) a pushcart. The pushcart is formed by the synergy of the ideas. The synergic result is always something more than you started with.

Next, look at the ways that arbitrary ideas interact. Two ideas A and B form a third C (that is, combined ideas idea AB=C), so we get A, B, and C. Now let's do it again. A, B and C go together to form a, B, C (these are the beginners) and also (ab, BC, AC, ABC. So, from two beginners we get three resultants. Let's canmge the labels and call them A, B, C, D, E, F, G. So, from three beginners we get seven resultants. From seven we get 127, and from 127 we get (2^7)-1 or roughly 1.7 x 10^38 (or do you prefer 1.7E38?) etc At this point, most math books will balk and say, "Proof is left to the Reader." It can be figured out on paper, at least in principle, but it's terribly messy.

Since this is an afterlife forum, look at the other places we find the same data. In ancient Egypt, about 5000 years ago, the philosophers recognized that some things were, and some were not. So they got the idea of polarity. In their terms, this was the start of the Cosmos. First there is the vastness of limitless voidness, so vast that it cannot be filled, but within which there is potentiality for anything to occur. Second, there is the specification of anything, such as this instant in spacetime. That is so miniute and specific that no matter how we try we can never dissect it. It is a point with no parts, and with no definition except that it is Here and Now. So we get Generality and Specificity as the beginners for the Cosmos. (Their names were actually Shu and Tefnet. The Budge translation tells us that the Ultimate Creator, Nebertchur, said that he brought forth Shu and Tefnut and in them created himself by grasping himself within his own hand.) Makes me think of a Mobius strip.

So from this initial pair, we get three principles of reality, variously named. These are process, structure and relationships. (Hindus call them the Three Gunas, or Primal Properties, rajas, tamas and sattva.) The soul of the deal must pass through a passage guarded by these three Guardians, and then it enters a space guarded by the Seven Arits, or qualifications of existence. (We know them as the seven fundamental properties of physical space: process, structure, logical relations, changing relations, changing structure, fixed patterns, and spacetime relativity.)

Then the soul enters the Hall of Maat, awaiting judgement. In this hall we find Osiris, who is the collection of all properties into the Ultimate Being. Then we also have all the ways that we can put together the seven Arits. We have 42 ways that we can do it by starting with with process, 42 ways with structure, and 42 ways with relationships. That gives 126 + Osiris, so we have the 127 outcome sets. (That means that the math is OK. It fits the topic.) However, since the three ways to view them are redundant, it is only necessary to deny sinning by actions, and the sins of relationships and structures are covered automatically.

This kind of thing leads off into technicalities of definitions. Maybe the Egyptians invented lawyers, eh? However, these ideas have been around for a long time, and have been useful. A far simpler approach is simply to be joyfully creative in process, be validly logical and aware in relationships, and lovingly kind and accepting in structure.

The idea of a Fourier analysis is simply that anything can be represented as the combination of other things, and from that we get a beginning. My personal favorite is a space in which there might be time. Then that means that it has a second instant, else time doesn't occur. Now we have two beginners and can build a universe. In fact, any dichotomy can be used.

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Reply #23 - Apr 26th, 2005 at 6:58pm
 
Me again - you can tell I'm an old fart. There's a lot of typos in that. My apologies.
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Reply #24 - Apr 27th, 2005 at 5:51am
 
lol

Wow, thanks for the explanation. You could be a teacher
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Reply #25 - Apr 27th, 2005 at 2:06pm
 
I think Dave is a teacher actually. I think he even gets money for it..har! good on ya mate. its just amazing how little of each other can be seen on a forum post, we are so busy seeing what is a limited view in the end. insofar as holographics, my humble opinion is the nature of the topic itself is that it keep multiplying and extending itself and I'd like to keep it alive. especially like what Dave said in another post that the nature of karma is not punishment. has to do with no good nor bad operating here. tis my opinion about seeing evil, that in order to see evil I must first seek after it and find it in order to experience it firsthand, because only experience can tell the truth. as self creators I see no reason to create evil deeds to authenticate that evil is real. love, alysia ...
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Reply #26 - Apr 29th, 2005 at 9:01pm
 
Hi there,

Having read alysia's comments on holographic experiences i just wanted to share a similar experience i had last year. I went into a deep meditation, i'd been practicing for some time but nothing ever that interesting used to happen,however on this particular day i had been listening to a 40 min relaxation hypnosis tape & i fell quickly in to  a deep state of relaxation. I could not feel any part of my body altho i was quite alert & responsive concentrating on one fixed point in the room and began counting down from 100 turning inwardly. With my eyes shut i found myself emmeresed in sea water looking at a silvery moon on the horizon. it was absolutley amazing ive never seen anything like it in my life, i new i wasn't dreaming, the only way ive ever been able to explain it is it was like being in a hologram, three dimentional, but i also was hearing the lapping of the waves. The colours were vibrant blue mauves, purple and black and the moon was a brilliant white light. I was so excited by it i must of disturbed the energy's around me as within a minute (i think) it vanished and i although i tried i couldn't reach that same state a again.  I never realized that meditation could be that wonderful!
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Reply #27 - Apr 29th, 2005 at 10:38pm
 
I like that experience and you describe it so vividly. I just wondered if that's how a dolphin feels? might be like your totem or something? cool. love, alysia...
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2005 at 1:13pm
 
That's how we find totems. Mine was a hawk, same kind of experience, but I had forgotten until your post. (I've always been fascinated by flight, and have a pilot's license.) Do you swim?

Instead of "trying to go back" might I suggest "going forward". Start with the experience and then look "at what comes next ..." give it a few minutes. Sometimes this works well with past life therapy blocks.

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Reply #29 - May 1st, 2005 at 6:32pm
 
i think you may be right there alysia - a life totum reflecting my inner spirital nature  Wink. I belive this came to me at that particular time because of the circumstances I was in. At the time I was studying to be a massage therapist when I had this kind of OBE (if thats what u call it) and my father was battling with cancer (sadly he has passed over january this year)  so there was definitly a healing message there. The second is that i share my birthday with the month of june (for anyone who doesn't know their horoscopes that makes me a cancerian with a watery element!).  I always remember as a child being in dreams where I could swim with my ahead above water without the use of armbands!! . Funnily enough alot of my dreams now are about water. I love the sea and I love swimming. Water to me represents the soul and the emotional self and the dolphin, with there  markered degree of sensitvity & awareness there also exists the ability to draw back from actually taking on the pain and suffering of those around them which I guess I do sometimes. Dolphins jump out of the water and come up for air in
the waters of life and then with breath and sound
call forth what they most need or desire so phaps this is the lesson of the totem! - universal harmony and moving foward and I've always loved dolphins. x  Smiley Smiley
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