In the last days there was a lot of discussion about Terri Schiavo - the woman lying in wake coma for about 15 years now.

Since - according to Bruce's FAQ - those people are often found in focus 22, i was wondering if someone tried to contact her? I'm reading a lot of retrieval stories but nothing about coma patients. Wouldn't it be possible to get those people back to live (in either direction ;) somehow?

Ciao, ...Joachim

Doctors have testified in court that Terri Schiavo's cerebral cortex, the part of the brain that controls thought and consciousness, has been turned to liquid.  Also, she has a flat EEG, meaning she has no brainwaves and therefore no thoughts.  I am of the opinion that after 15 years with no improvement in her condition, it is time to let her go to heaven.  Her spirit has been stuck in the chaotic realm between earth and heaven, unable to animate her body and mind, but unable to pass on into the afterlife.  I believe that is no way to treat a human being.  The feeding tube keeping her body technically "alive" while her spirit languishes in limbo is arguably an instrument of torture.

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If the body is being kept alive by medical technology, how can the soul just leave?  If it does leave, it is only an OBE because the soul would still be connected to the body until the point of physical death.  If physical death is being prevented by human intervention, then I do not see how the soul is free to permanently leave the body of its own volition, because death requires the body also to die, not only the soul to leave.  That is how I understand the relationship between soul and body, but of course I could be wrong.  If you can explain why my viewpoint may be erroneous, please do; I would be interested to hear evidence for another possibility.

Here are two articles by Kevin Williams, webmaster of www.near-death.com,  which I think make some very good points about the Terri Schiavo case and end-of-life issues in general:

The Vegetative State: A Fate Worse than Death
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide10.html

Do We Have the Right to Die?
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/suicide11.html

I tend to agree with Kevin Williams' view of these issues and would strongly recommend his near-death website.

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I think you're probably right about that.  Makes sense.  She's certainly having a huge impact on the world, just by lying silently in a bed.  Pretty amazing.

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I too have been deepy touched by her plight. And I honestly do not know what would be best. But I don't think starving her to death is the answer. Especially not on the word of an ex. I have a bad feeling about him for some reason. And I saw the pictures of her and the stories of her parents. The main thing is, suffering. And I think starving to death would be a terrible way to go. I don't know, but I hope and pray for her to get what she needs.

Blessings,
~Tru~

For those who are interested, the webmaster of www.near-death.com, Kevin Williams, has published the latest edition of his Near Death Newsletter. This edition is devoted entirely to the Terri Schiavo case and end of life issues.

http://www.near-death.com/newsletters/2005/0315.html

Kevin Williams is anti-tube. He's got a lot of good links in there, including some pro-tube links too.

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  From my experience I'd say it is definitely possible to reach and communicate with people in coma.  I've done it several times with confirming results, and I've observed that others have done this also.

  In the cases I've seen the person in coma was often either too confused to understand where they were or to understand the choices available to them.  In one case a woman's awareness had split into two major pieces, one existed in Focus 27 (the largest "piece") and the other piece in physical reality.  After sort of bringing these two pieces together again the physical portion decided that since recovery was hopeless she would leave.  She died not long after.

In another case an Alzheimer's patient was contacted by her daughter who attended my workshop to learn how to reach her mom.  The mom was in late stages and incoherent within physical reality.  The daughter contacted her in Focus 22 and helped her understand that she could choose to leave.  The mom died a little while later.

Perhaps the real question is, whose purpose is being served by intervention?  I prefer to leave all decisions to the persons directly involved.

Sometimes our own fear of death, and lack of understandding of what death is, makes us force very stupid, cruel decisions upon others.

Bruce

 

If I was sufficiently developed as a retriever, I just found myself had the idea that I'd try and contact Terri and guide her out, or at least ask her what she wanted to do.

I tried focussing on her, and it could have been my imagination, but I started picking up a fairly intense impression of fear...but not just fear...rigidity, and a sense of being "locked" but mentally rather than physically...not sure if that makes any sense.  I also had an impression of this wall of whiteness...not white in the proverbial white light sense but I think in this case it was like a wall or a fogbank.

I tried to get some information through...I felt like there was a lot of panic there, and I was basically just trying to get some words through to her about her situation and where she was/might be, but her panic jammed me out...I'm not so good at dealing with other people's emotions yet.  When the words got jammed out though I focussed on trying to send her just the mental image of photos I've seen...of her lying in a coma...I hoped somehow that that would give her the idea.

If someone with more experience could get some information through to her though. it'd be good...because my impression anywayz was of someone with no sensory input whatsoever other than simply the colour white, and no sense of time or space.  I don't think she knows where she is, or how long she's been there, but for me anywayz the level of panic I'm getting from her is like a brick wall.  I can't communicate through it.