Hello all,

My first post here - heard about it from 'freebird' on another forum. Even as Moses(if I recall) said.....'O that all of Gods people would be prophets!'.....how bout 'O that all people would be channels of God'? As long as we are tapped into the divine Spring......we shall give forth worthy issues.

Lets see.....some of my fave channelers/channellings - I havent read much of the Seth material. Some of Ramtha. Some of P'taah. Some of Immanuel. A bit of Hilarion. O I'm sure I'm forgetting some. We also note that they are different kinds of channeling data/transmissions. I have found some auto-writing very stimulating.

I never got much into ACIM....although a few precepts in the volume do ring true for me. Getting deeper into some of the chapters however was a bit complexitive with all its etherealism and versatilities, especially as it relates theological terms with its own twist. I have preferred the Urantia Book in the past over it,........perhaps my more cosmic-intellectual-philosophic leanings. 

This is a wonderful field as it relates to higher consciousness and spirit-communications. Currently my studies have been in the spiritualist/spiritist traditions and their 'channeled' material. Their messages are born from a more antiquated mediumship style than our modern new-age genre mediums. The Allan Kardec material is interesting and offers wonderful spiritual priniciples/teachings that are in spiritual attunement with the Christ-ethic....yet this school holds strongly to reincarnation as standard protocol....and likewise a belief shared by its spirit-messengers. I know there is a thread on this particular topic...so will leave it as 'cosmetic' for the time being. Oh,...I like Bruces belief on 'optional reincarnation' for souls - sure extends our liberties! - some I would imagine would not want to come back to earth, if it wasnt necessary.

In summary,.....arent we all channeling something? Be it our delight and joy to channel the highest and best of spirit-energies.

Beserker - did u see my posts on the AtralPulse forum? Just curious. - about weejee boards (pardon the slang) - I would agree that its best not to play with such toys...but as you allude....there have been some communications thru this means that has been confirmed as real information transmissions and spirit-contact. In fact, I know of one medium who used a kind of weejee....and contacted a highly evolved teacher thru such means.....and later became a channel/medium/intermediary(whatever suits you)...for this spirit-teacher for decades. The teachings were always consistent of a pure and wise quality of spirituality/light. The guide goes by the name of Zodiac.

Other well known and consistently valid and sound teachers/teachings have come thru the likes of White Eagle and Silver Birch, some of our native american elder brethren. Its a wonderful universe we live in......of inter and transdimensional Beauty.

I continue to pioneer these fields with all souls, spirits, angels, etc.....availing what is given thru the Over-Soul...that is of course...only purest Love and Wisdom. If the fruit keeps coming up of good quality and taste.....we can keep our palates satisifed...and see that God is good.

I have recently been asking in prayer...to be a greater channel.....a more pure tributary.


paul

Dear Ellen,

On something this importent I wouldn't presume to pass judgment on someone I've never known.  I think you're instincts are correct: read Peck's "People of the Lie," but not "Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil."   Peck is clearly on to something important, but his analysis is the first of its kind by a psychiatrist and hence is surely in need of fine tuning and qualifications.  Let me know what you think after reading it and perhaps his related follow-up book, "Glimpses of the Devil" (which I have only browsed). 

Keep certain facts in mind. All of us have probably manifested one or more of (1)-(4) at one time or another.  For Peck these traits profile an evil person only if they mirror that person's core. 
Secondly, according to Peck, evil parents impact their children in a particular way.    Because of the scapegoating the kids consider themselves evil losers.  The troubled children were brought to Peck for counseling, but Peck soon realized that the parents were the real problem.  His confrontations with them are most intriguing and revelatory.  Third, Peck asks his 8-your son how he conceives evil.  His son wisely replied, "Evil is live spelled backwards. "  Peck was impressed because victims of evil seem absolutely lifeless.  All their zest for life has been drained out of them.   When you read Peck's book, trust your instincts more than you trust Peck or anything I have said in this thread!

Best wishes,
Don

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I tend to agree with this view.  If there are "demons" I believe they are just beings in the spirit world (some could be humans or extraterrestrials or angels or whatever category) who have an excessive level of wickedness in their character.  God will eventually purge them of this, save them from themselves, and put an end to their hurtful behavior.  Everyone has some degree of evil/sin/wickedness within their heart, just not as much as a "demon" might have.  By focusing on the powers of demons, we only encourage the inflated ego of these beings and their perverse fantasies.  Some people on earth are cruel and sadistic and enjoy it when they can scare the crap out of people and make their lives miserable, so why should it be any different among spirit beings?  Some very good, some very evil, most somewhere in-between on a spectrum.

Freebird

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Ellen,

I'm sorry about your mother and your daughter.

I would like to offer the thought that most of your mother's problems could have been coming from her brain, not her soul or spiritual nature.  The way you describe her, it sounds like she might have been suffering from mental illness.  If that is the case, she may simply have been physically incapable of controlling her moods and behavior.

Many people wrongly assume that one's "character" comes entirely from the soul, when in reality there is a great influence from the condition of the brain.  If the brain isn't wired properly or doesn't have the right chemistry, it can produce a bad character that is largely beyond the person's voluntary control.

Did you know that Adolf Hitler was beaten so severely by his father when he was a child that he once went into a coma for two days?  This beating and coma probably resulted in brain damage, which could have caused Hitler to become a madman if particular parts of the brain were affected.  We might get to heaven and find out that most of what Hitler did was the result of a disturbed brain, and that he was little more evil in his soul than any of us.

King George III of England was an eccentric man who went crazy because of arsenic poisoning.  Tragically, he was "treated" for his outbursts with more and more arsenic, which was believed by doctors at the time to control insanity.  Eventually he ended up raving mad.  It is believed by historians that the American Revolutionary War occurred partly because of King George's mental illness.

Many violent criminals commit their crimes because of mental illness.  Are they "evil" or just victims of their own diseased brain?  We must remember that when the body dies, so does the brain -- and any negative character traits that were caused by that brain naturally should die with it.

Geneticists now know that the majority of human personality is passed on in the genes.  People are literally born with tendencies to be shy or extroverted, peaceful or forceful, confident or anxious, happy and optimistic or depressed and cynical.  The rest comes from childhood experiences which influence our mental and emotional development.  Only some of an individual's personality comes from the non-physical soul and free will.  (Of course materialistic scientists would argue that none of it does, but I think they go too far.)

The bottom line is, please don't worry about your mother being "evil."  Everyone is born with a propensity to sin -- everyone.  God knows this and He forgives us, and He is saving us and transforming us, either in this life or the next.  Some people get lucky and get genes and childhood experiences that promote a peaceful and pleasant personality, while others don't.  God is not judging us for things that are beyond our control.

Apostle Paul put it best when he said, "There is no one righteous, not even one." (Romans 3:10).  And "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus." (verses 23-24).  It doesn't matter whether we are Christians or not, God is saving us anyway through Jesus Christ.  All souls will eventually be saved, even the most "evil" among us.

JMHO.

Best wishes,
Freebird

"One can find some consolation in the pattern that the possessed generally have wittingly or unwittingly invited the entity in through Ouija boards or some form of mediumistic communication in which the entity initially masked its true identity and came across as benign"

Don- is there any explanation or theory as to how these entities pick and choose their victims aside from the Ouija conduit?   When it comes to young children, who are especially vulnerable (one would think), why isn't there an abundance of cases of evil possession?

As for Seth, one of the posters seems to think that there is nothing evil in his material because Seth sounds so high sounding and uplifting.  Well duhhh.  I mean, would a demon be so stupid as to come across as a fire breathing serpent?  I'm not saying Seth or Elias is evil, but I again pose the question as to whether their devotees find that the material enhances or detracts from their own relationship with God.

The answer, if honestly given, might in itself provide a clue as to their agendas.

Freebird, I can only point to my earlier arguments that our free choice of the good is most valuable as a function of the strength of our inclination to choose contrary to God's values and will.    What applies to us may also apply to the angelic realm and hence to angels that have become demons. 

Roger, I know of no such theory, except that channeling abilities often seem to have a hereditary dimension.  Johanna, the disillusioned medium I've discussed in this thread, is one such example.  So young children born in such families might be more vulnerable to intruding entities. 

Of course what matters most is not my speculation, but the empirical evidence for the demonic.  Darwin, Freud, and Einstein are arguably the 3 most influential thinkers of the past two centuries.  Sigmund Freud MAY have been exposed to the demonic by his top pupil, Carl Jung.  I will describe the relevant chain of events in my next post.

FREUD AND JUNG ENCOUNTER THE DEMONIC?

I've shared the stories of how Raphael and Johanna initially believed in their mediumship as healing and beneficial, but eventually came to experience it as deceptive and demonic.  Carl Jung, one of the pioneers of the field of psychiatry, experienced a similar disillusionment with channeling.  But the paranormal phenomena that preceded his call to mediumship were witnessed by none other than the great atheist Sigmund Freud, one of the most infleuential thinkers of the past two centuries.

Jung recounts these paranormal experiences in his biography "Memories, Dreams, Reflections."  I'll share just 4 key incidents.  The first incident terrified Jung's mother who was sitting nearby:

(1) "Suddenly there sounded a pistol shot.  I jumped up and rushed into the room from which the noise of the explosion had come. . .The table top had split from the rim to beyond the center. . .The split ran through the solid wood.  I was thunderstruck.  How could such a thing happen?. . .If it had stood next to a heated stove..., then it might have been conceivable." 

(2) "Some two weeks later I came home at six o'clock in the evening and found the household--my
mother, my 14-year-old sister, and the maid--in a great state of agitation.  About an hour earlier there had been another deafening report...In the cupboard I found a loaf of bread, and beside it, the bread knife.  The greater part of the blade had snapped off in several places...One of the best cutlers in town examined the fractures with a magnifying glass, and shook his head, `...There is no fault in the steel.  Someone must have deliberately broken it piece by piece (105-106).'"
In fact, no one had touched it!

(3) Jung visited Freud in Vienna and listened as he ridiculed the occult and the paranormal.  Jung explains what happened next:  "While Freud was going on in this way, I had a curious sensation.  It was as if my diaphragm were made of iron and were becoming red-hot--a glowing vault.  And at that moment there was such a loud report in the bookcase, which stood right next to us, that we both started up in alarm, fearing that the thing was going to topple over on us.  I said to Freud, `There, that is an example of a so-called cataleptic exteriorization phenomenon.'  `O come,' he exclaimed, `That is sheer bosh.'  `It is not,' I replied.  `You are mistaken, Herr Professor.  And to prove my point I now predict that in a moment there will be another such loud report!'  Sure enough, no sooner had I said these words than the same detonation went off in the bookcase.  To this day I do not know what gave me this certainty
...Freud only stared, aghast, at me (155-56)."  At the end of Jung's biography is appended the letter that Freud wrote him in a sheepish attempt to explain away this paranormal manifestation.

(4) "Around five o'clock in the afternoon on Sunday the front doorbell began ringing frantically. . .  Everyone immediately looked to see who was there, but there was no one in sight.  I was sitting near the doorbell, and not only heard it, but saw it moving.  We all simply stared at one another.  The atmosphere was thick, believe me!. . .The whole house was filled as if there was a crowd present, crammed full of spirits...I was all aquiver with the question: `For God's sake, what in the world is this?'  Then THEY cried out in chorus, `We have come back from Jerusalem where we found not what we sought.'  Perhaps, the Jerusalem allusion implies that these entities are demons once exorcized by Jesus.  The upshot of this spirit infestation was Jung's willingness to become their mouthpiece and to channel a work entitled "Seven Sermons to the Dead (190-101)."  This channeled material is appended to Jung's biography (178-90).  Jung "later described it as a sin of his youth and regretted it (378)."