Hello,

In my opinion you are setting yourself up to be judge and jury.  You have judged that what your friend is doing is wrong, and a verdict may come out of it that will sentence her.

Nobody likes to see advantages taken where some good is being done for those who really derserve it.  But, this is her predicament and not yours.  You may dislike what this person is doing, friend or not, but is it up to you to fix it.

Cheaters never win, they eventually get caught no matter how long it has been going on.  If you value your friendship, I would suggest talking to this person and stressing that what they are doing is first, against the law and second very dishonest, and is putting a strain on your friendship and leave it at that.

If the friend does not heed your warnings then you have done your part without really getting in too deep.

Of course the choice is yours to make, just as your friend has made the choice they have.

Take care,
Flo

Well, first let me thank you all for your opinions, and yes there are times when I struggle with being self- righteous.

It's good to come here and be reminded of WHY we are here.

I did talk at length, with my friend, who called me last evening to tell me she called DSHS and turned herself in, so to speak. So now she faces a huge bill to pay them back instead of jail time. There is much more to all of this, but I won't bore you with the details, as they don't really matter. I need to learn to trust myself, but it's good that when I have doubts as to my choices, I can come here and reconnect.

Again, Thank you for just being, This earth needs more people like all of you.

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Auto Insurance.....and another pondering question still further off point but I  wonder if anyone else had thought of this...
The law states that ALL drivers MUST carry insurance. Some of us have clean records, carry insurance and get nothing in return for money spent, well at least as far as I can see.  Except for expecting help from my carrier should something happen, Unfortunately this is NOT always the case.

My thought is, if the government wants everyone to carry insurance, why not have the insurance companies pay something back in return for clean records. for example.....after 3 years in good standing with one insurance company, they then allow a set amount to be used for "vehicle health inusrance" giving back the set amount of money in a set amount of time to the customer to have their vehicles fixed/repaired. It would be incentive for those who don't carry insurance to do so, as well as the more careless drivers to be more cautious...
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Anyway that's my thought at this moment. have actually considered writing to my congress person.
Just wanted to bounce around an idea that of course may not be of any importance to any but myself. If this offends anyone, I apologize, but this is a good place for differet view points.

Making it a question of "good vs evil" or fingershaking oversimplifies, and there is much complexity here.

Question isn't really off-base; if we do learn to trot around obe in the physical or increase intuitive ability, we will all possibly be faced with knowing something we aren't "supposed" to know. what will we do with the knowledge?

We are, after all, participants, not observers, and what we do not only creates a personal reality but a collective one as well. So maybe I would be justified by not dropping a dime for individual reasons, but in doing so, wouldn't I be creating a social atmosphere that condoned welfare cheating or ...whatever?

As regards welfare, it has been my observation that much of the cheating is not to aid the children. this is a situation that has not improved over theyears. I recall as a child hearing about the minister who would take food like old bread donated from grocery stores to families where children were going hungry because the parent was passed out drunk. I haven't had opportunity to observe anyone on welfare in the last 10 years but before that I saw the same thing going on in one form or another. But when the issue of turning someone in for the related issue of child neglect came up, someone else clued me in that she would never do something to get someone else's kid into the foster care system because of the sexual abuse she knew about that had happened to kids in that system. It gets very complex very fast.

Of course, since the welfare (which, Roger is for families with children) system is funded by my taxes, do I have to watch it be abused? Since it is funded by all our taxes, is it responsible to let it be abused? what responsibility do I have to the other tax payers? For that matter, do I condone having seven children in a crowded world or just keep my mouth shut?

I don't see the difference between taking music for free and driving uninsured in your youth. why is it wrong to take the music files but not wrong to drive uninsured. BTW, I personally think of the music files being traded so freely as karma for the music industry in response to their payola years. I have trouble worrying about the music industry's loss of money when they had so much extra to spend on cocaine and heroin and sex and whatever. (I knew someone whose father had been a DJ in the '50s...they gave him heroine to play the songs they chose and make them popular. He OD'd one day. And that was before the scandal of the 70's). And why do the "stars" need so much money? why do they need to charge so much for a CD? We are like their monetary slaves. So while I think on an individual level, stealing is wrong, you are sending the wrong message to your subconcious mind about want and plenty. But I also think, on a cultural level, I think the music companies deserve to have their music files taken! Now what kind of ethics is that?

How do you change culture?

"Cheaters never win, they eventually get caught no matter how long it has been going on. "
I don't necessarily agree with this statement. Perhaps if we include the afterlife and the other lives then it is true! but for the physical, no. I don't think being moral does it. Infact, I think some of the things we think about rules are concepts purporting to reflect morality but ultimately serving the status quo. like "Turn the other cheek." Perhaps this is a concept for someone who has achieved a high spiritual level, but for those of us on less advanced levels, I think it can be a way to keep us in line and not in control of our own lives. This could turn into a entire thesis so I will stop here!

Hi to all,

I align with the following....
Elias...
Not holding personal responsibility for another individual is not synonymous with not caring.

“You may be quite interactive with other individuals. You may be expressing the fullness of emotion in conjunction with other individuals, that which you identify in physical focus as caring and loving and compassion. You may be expressing and experiencing all of these elements and NOT be expressing personal responsibility. (Pause)

“Let me also express to you, Mikah [Michael], a statement that I suggest that you allow yourself to ponder quite seriously: There is absolutely no element within your reality that is broken – not yourself, not other individuals, not situations, not circumstances, not actions, not feelings, not emotions, not thoughts. No thing within your reality is broken. No thing within any other individual’s reality is broken. Therefore, there is no element within your reality which needs be fixed, and there are no mistakes.

“Therefore, each action that is created by yourself, by other individuals, each action is quite purposeful. You may not hold an objective understanding of all of the actions that are created within your objective reality in conjunction with other individuals, but they are all purposeful and they are not mistakes and they are not broken

Thanks Dora and Lucy for your expressions of thought and feeling.


I resonate strongly with the sentiments ...


I many years ago "frauded" a welfare sysytem out of fear and need and limited belief system.

I feared ending up on the street.

I feared hunger.

I feared cold.

I feared I feared I feared ...



So forgive me ,  I understand what people are saying/judging but do they understand the decisions I made in fear ?

I am not saying it's OK I am not saying it's not.

It is what it is ...


I am going to paraphrase an old native indian saying ...



Do not judge another until you have walked 21 milkes in their moccasins.



You have to get beyond right and wrong ....   


oog! now I am feeling heavy ...

time to lighten up !!!


and yes it does seem off topic but yet it does seem connected to afterlife knowledge  because it seems we (or something)   "judges"  our actions in this life


Good Posting Celestial way

I like what you said

"This is the one safe place I know to turn to"



I think I feel the same way   

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