Hi Petrus,

I think the "truth" of everything lies within each of us.  I haven't read the Seth material and very little of other channeled writtings, but when I do read these or any other written works, I always go by my own inner knowing as to the truth of it or not.  Yet at the same time I'm open minded enough to consider the possibilities even if it may be something I'm not totally in agreement with.

As far as this goes "...advice for ascertaining the intentions of a given spirit?" 

I would say that you can make it your intention to not meet negative influences in your spiritual travels and also ask your guides and helpers to protect you from these as well. 

Love, Kathy

Thanks, Glen

Kathy's response was good, but I'd been wondering if anyone else was going to reply as well...I was hoping what I had said hadn't upset people too much...from the point of view that I guess I was fairly blatant in what I was thinking.

>You mention two messages you got from your "inner
>Seth" (so to speak), which I think were also helpful. 
>The first, being something of a truism, also reflects
>his sense of humor, imo.

It was strange...when I asked that, I actually also got a sense of a certain degree of indignation...in that I don't think that was something he'd been asked before...along with a certain amount of amused surprise at the idea that if I assumed he was a negative entity, that I was still sufficiently daring to attempt my own contact with him.  If as you say what I got was consistent with the other published stuff, he does seem to have a fairly dry, almost vaguely cynical sense of humour.

In terms of talking about an inner Seth...I actually did have a particular being of my own in my teens...for a while I simply considered her an imaginary friend, but then I thought about there being a somewhat different mental voice to my own accompanying her replies to things...although I was never really sure what category she belonged in.  Initially though I thought she was a demon as well, and I remember that she would react to that by unfortunately being deeply hurt and equally adamant that she wasn't.  This is something I am thinking that I am going to have to continue to work on...since I do see some wisdom in the concept that what I expect is what I'll get.

This is in reply to Petrus on the subject of Seth.
For several years I was a member of a Seth Study Class In Ithaca N.Y.  This was not the ESP Class Sessions given weekly by Jane Roberts in Elmira, N.Y.
We used Cassette tapes of the Sessions, then discussed the material. Some members were from  Cornell Univ., and there were many questions about the accuracy of the material.  But we concluded the only way the data was not exactly as given by Seth was that Jane Roberts occasionally questioned in her own mind what she was receiving. However, even this lingering doubt only occurred at the beginning, the early sessions of her contact with Seth.
There are still a few Seth sites on the internet, one
is by Dale Main but I don't have the address available. 
As a group hearing the original Seth Material we never felt that it originated from any evil  spirit, but represented a true source of information by the entity Seth who was  a fragment of the same Higher Self as both Jane Roberts and her husband.
Seth often referred to past lives where they had a
close relationship.  I personally regard the Seth material as  one of the very best, if not the best source of metaphysical knowledge. I've been interested in this subject since the 1950s when I became a  member of the A. R. E.,  Edgar Cayces 
organization at Virginia Beach. I mentiion this to show that when I became a member of the Seth Study Group I already had a reasonably good background to judge the Seth Material. And, oh yes, Happy New Year.   Harry

Hey Harry and Dora,
First of all I wasn't necessarily drawing a concrete conclusion in my own mind that this material *was* demonic...I didn't know enough to do that anywayz.  It was more along the lines of "Could this be?" not that it definitely was.  Channelling is something I've tended to avoid in the past, but some of the material I've been reading on ascension2000.com in particular demanded that I take another look at it.  It also seems that I've been reading rather a large amount of channelled material in general lately, as well...and it's something I want to get to the point of feeling comfortable about if it's going to be a source of at least some information about things...which means looking at how I've seen it in the past and working through existing beliefs/analysing various possibilities, even when occasionally they aren't all that pleasant, admittedly.

I will also admit that from my own past metaphysical/theological perspective I have enormous difficulty with the concept of acorporeal beings that aren't aligned morally one way or the other, strictly speaking.  I know we've seen (certainly more recently) that strict dualism isn't always the most precise model of determining *human* motivations...it's just what I've been taught I guess.  The other thing that is enormously frustrating right now is a lack of certainty...I'm basically caught between two extremely disparate theological/metaphysical/cosmological models right now. (fundamentalist Christianity on the one hand, and Bruce's model, with some deviations of my own, on the other, essentially)

I am at the point of leaving a lot of extraneous elements of Christianity behind, because I was able to see over an extended period that they weren't helping me or a lot of other people around me...I know that once I can get rid of the idea that my *self-preservation* depends on what it is that I believe...and that I'm not going to be destroyed either way, that it will then become a lot easier for me.

If Bruce is reading this, I also don't want him to be afraid of the idea that someone's swallowed his philosophy hook, line, and sinker and now see him as a guru either.  I haven't...I keep in mind what he talks about on the front page of the site in terms of not wanting that.  But I will admit that *certain* elements of the model of astral space that he/Bob Monroe espouse *have* filled in certain gaps in my own...things that were mildly bothering me for years actually, because I couldn't figure out how they fit in relation to everything else.

I also certainly don't have any issue with any philosophy that advocates self-responsibility...Lack of that was probably the single core problem I experienced among the Christians I used to associate with.  Everything in their minds was caused by a force external to themselves...they didn't take responsibility for anything...and so because they didn't take responsibility for the causes of their problems, they weren't able to take responsiblity for the solutions either.

I'm also aware that at times I've probably sounded like the stereotypical cult member...in terms of the sort of person who just "wants to believe" in something.  It's not actually that at all though...for about six months before I found this site, I went through a period of at least wanting to be a reasonably hard core atheist, although it didn't really work out because I've always known about more than that...and think I've experienced more than that.  One of the things Christianity has a tendency to drill into a person though is the concept that literally the continuation of your existence in any sense depends directly upon that person's theological/metaphysical model, and so a very strong desire develops to make as certain as possible that you have reliable information.  It's also just my own personality...I've been reading about parapsychology/UFOlogy in particular from a fairly young age, because for as long as I can remember (before I got into Pentecostal Christianity, at least) I have had a fundamental desire to discover the truth about the nature of reality.  Given the sorts of comments I made in the parent post of this thread, that probably sounds highly inconsistent...but Christian fundamentalism instilled a very large amount of fear in me, and basically also indoctrinated/reinforced the concept that discarnate beings in particular only fall into two groups.  I know that once I have worked through that idea, and a few others, accepting information from a much more varied range of sources will become much easier for me than it has been in the past.

Harry,
Thanks for clarify it, of course that doesn't make the informations less....

There is nothing to thank for ..... as I  experessed before - all beliefs are valid and true to us - but we resonate material according to our awareness....

For me, Seth/Elias is the closest...

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Obviously you're not familiar with Elias material,
that is why you  asking the question....So I would say that the question is unfair....

The information is availabe from Elias himself or for free @

http://www.eliasforum.org
http://www.eliasweb.at