Roger, I don't think anyone needs to believe everything that Bruce Moen believes.  I certainly don't. I disagree with the "vacation from eternity" belief for the most part.

    But there are some obvious, overt facts.  Bruce's work and this forum is primarily devoted to two things, direct exploration of the nonphysical/afterlife and communication with positive/helpful guidance. 

      I have both pointed out and have asked you, why are you on a forum devoted to these things, when you say that they are "fool's errands", only dangerous, and the like? 

  Here are two examples of you talking about this:
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1488852598/29#29 ;
See reply 29 at bottom of page

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1299614892/14#14

   Besides saying things like the above, I've also seen very sly, indirect, innuendo from you that Bruce is a fraud/huckster. 

     Hey, that's fine if you think so, but my problem is the lack of honesty and directness about your agenda to both discredit nonphysical exploration/communication with guidance, as well as the subtle, indirect implying about Bruce. 

   I've never signed up to and posted at R.B.'s forum, but if I did, I would be straight forward and honest about how I view him.

    In any case, I'm going ask you yet again, why are you on a forum devoted to nonphysical/afterlife exploration and communication with positive guidance when you believe these activities are fools' errands and only dangerous? 

It's a pretty simple and logical question, but every time I ask you,  you skirt the main question and issue. 

Justin:

It would be useful to ask Don and Dude the same questions.

Recoverer

Do me a favor. Stop spreading lies that I have some kind of sinister or dishonest motive here at this forum, and please, just stop talking about me in general. It's clear to me that you have your own motives and views that I disagree with, but you don't see me constantly making accusations and diverting every thread that you post in so that they are virtually erased by the moderator because they become so inappropriate it would be bad business for the forum to allow them to be viewed by the public, and the reason I don't engage in that behavior is because I respect you enough to allow you to express your opinion without interference (other than perhaps respectfully replying with an alternative viewpoint) and I am comfortable enough with my own self that I don't feel threatened by your views.

And stop pretending that I'm somehow responsible for the behavior of others. When someone directs inappropriate comments towards me, then I say something because it's my business. If we consider the amount of comments containing ad hominems and unnecessary personal remarks from a couple particular members of this forum, it would simply be the natural course of things to have that reflected back at them now and then. It's not my job to report something I have no business in.

If a person can't have different beliefs than you without you projecting some kind of conspiracy onto them, and if you can't see the difference between expressing one's opinions and engaging in a deceptive plot to convert an entire forum, then perhaps you are the one lacking the discernment you so often speak of.

I'm not being inconsistent in saying these things to you. You are legitimately disrupting this forum and I'm tired of reading your false gossip about me. Just stop. If you can't handle allowing people to express different viewpoints without attacking them or accusing them of conspiracies, forums are probably not for you.

Dude, this sort of conversation has continued to take place, because both 1796 and Roger made rude comments towards Justin and I, and the conversations ended up progressing at they did.

Ask 1796 and Roger to contain themselves, and perhaps Justin and I won't find the need to speak up.

If somebody started a fundamentalist Christian forum, and a few people came to that forum, and started making a bunch of posts about the Disk viewpoint etc., and then spoke of errors they found in the Bible and said that such errors come from demons, and said that people shouldn't read the Bible, such site creator would probably ban such people, or tell them to move on someplace else. I believe it would be correct for he or she to do so. After all, if people searched for such a forum, they probably did so because they wanted to find out about the Bible. Why interfere with what they are trying to do?

Go ahead and speak up about them if you think they are breaking the forum rules. Just leave me out of it.

Unless this is a fundamentalist Disk forum, or a fundamentalist new age forum, your analogy simply doesn't hold water. This is an afterlife knowledge forum. It is completely appropriate to discuss any issue relating to the afterlife, regardless of the particular view. The afterlife is a fundamental aspect of Christianity. There are many disagreements regarding various viewpoints within the realm of Christianity that are discussed on Christian forums and I've yet to see someone claim that certain people do not belong on the forum simply because they hold a different view of the Religion. If someone was on this forum trying to convince people that the afterlife didn't exist, then that could be a case where this person might not belong here.

Perhaps trying meditating on acceptance.   

Dude:

I am not interested in bringing this topic up over and over again. It is already out in the open. I spoke of it again, because of what 1796 said about some people being Paranoid. If somebody writes a post, I figure they have a motive for doing so. I know that when I take the time to write a post and present a viewpoint, I usually have a reason. If I say something such as "it is okay for people to make contact with the spirit world, as long as this is what they need to do and use discernment," I do so with the "intent" of helping somebody find what is appropriate for he or she.

I'm sure glad that I decided to make contact with the spirit world, because it has been really helpful to do so.

I understand about free speech, but sometimes free speech is about letting people have a place where they can speak about the things they want to speak of, without that place being turned into another place. A person can find out if they are in the right place to discuss what they want to discuss, by considering the site originator's purpose for doing so. Since Bruce is an afterlife explorer, and wrote a book explaining how others can do so, perhaps he didn't intend for this forum to be a place where people are discouraged from exploring nonphysically, and to instead read a book. If a seeker were to visit this forum now, he or she would find that a large number of posts serve that purpose.

In the end, it is not up to either you or I what takes place here.

You aren't the only one with good intentions.

Perhaps it has been helpful for you to make contact with the spirit world, but going by your behavior at this forum, I'm not so sure you found the ticket yet.

The idea about this place being turned into another place is nothing more than a delusion in your mind. If you were honest with yourself, you'd see that you are discriminating.

If Bruce didn't want people with differing views on this forum, he would have banned them by now. Your false sense of justice is doing more harm than good. Just take a look at the threads from the past couple of months and you will see proof of this.

If a visitor were to view a thread regarding spirit contact or out of body travel, ideally they would read a discussion incorporating various viewpoints and should be able to sort out what is logical and what is not based on the arguments and supporting evidence the posters contribute.

By the way, I haven't read one thread instructing people to not to explore nonphysical reality and to instead read a book. Your false inferences are bordering on lies.

Dude, you can believe what you want to believe, I will not try to change your mind.

But I will add, Bruce did tell Don that he wished that he would start his own forum rather than write what he writes here. If this isn't a clue, I don't know what is.

Dude, I need to add, that I believe that both you and Don have good intentions. It is a matter of whether such intentions are the right match for this forum. Advice to not make contact with the spirit world, would've been bad advice for me.

I made a late addition to my last post. I do not know if you saw it.  I added the below.

"But I will add, Bruce did tell Don that he wished that he would start his own forum rather than write what he writes here. If this isn't a clue, I don't know what is."

It's ok to not like an opposing view, but that view is to be countered with reason. This is reasonable.

Holding a grudge is like holding a burning log and thinking it must sting the other person, but it's likely that the sting stays put and only grows as long as the burning log is held. Forgiveness for others cleans out the hurt, and acceptance that whatever one accuses others for, the self sure isn't perfect either.

I thought of something else to add.

This isn't my forum, so I am only stating my perspective, not Bruce's.

I don't mind Don's Biblical interpretations, ADC verifications and NDE verifications, some of these are interesting and informative.

What I find annoying is when he says negative things about Robert Monroe and things such as "One of the great evils of the Monroe/ Moen model," not because he actually knows what he is talking about, but because his way of viewing things prevents him from seeing that Robert and Bruce weren't deceived by something negative.

If a person is going to make negative statements about a person, he better be certain that he actually knows what he is talking about, before he seeks to defame them in some way.

I wrote what I just wrote, because I had the intent of expressing the viewpoints I just expressed. If I had no intent, I would not had written something.

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What I find annoying is when he says negative things about Robert Monroe and things such as "One of the great evils of the Monroe/ Moen model," not because he actually knows what he is talking about, but because his way of viewing things prevents him from seeing that Robert and Bruce weren't deceived by something negative.

Please, let's try to discuss ideas and not a specific person. Well, isn't this and any other argument put forth something that can be countered with reason?


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If a person is going to make negative statements about a person, he better be certain that he actually knows what he is talking about, before he seeks to defame them in some way.

To counter an argument with "you are seeking to defame them with your argument" may be your assumption about another person, unless they of course state they are going for defame. Fighting one's assumptions leads nowhere. I know this. I also know that even if I feel something is so and so, that doesn't mean it is so, and I have to turn to reason to make something clear. And if my feeling of something is not correct, then I obstruct other people from talking, which isn't fair to them.

Who said anything about grudges? I do not hold any grudges. I value this forum, but if things don't work out as I believe is best, I am not going to be depressed about it. Why should I become depressed about something that is beyond my control? Life will go on one way or the other.

I wish nothing but the best for people such as Don, Dude, Roger and 1796, but I don't know about you Uno.  ;D


Uno wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 10:36pm:

It's ok to not like an opposing view, but that view is to be countered with reason. This is reasonable. Holding a grudge is like holding a burning log and thinking it must sting the other person, but it's likely that the sting stays put and only grows as long as the burning log is held. Forgiveness for others cleans out the hurt, and acceptance that whatever one accuses others for, the self sure isn't perfect either.

I Am Dude wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:

You aren't the only one with good intentions.

   Like Albert, I believe you and Don are mostly sincere and consciously think you are doing what is right and good. But I am reminded of Proverbs 14: "12 There is a way that men think is right, and its ways are the ways of death." I would add "and seems right". 


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Perhaps it has been helpful for you to make contact with the spirit world, but going by your behavior at this forum, I'm not so sure you found the ticket yet.

   Vince, I've met Albert twice in person, talked to him on the phone a number of times and have been more or less consistent personal email communication with him for some 7 years or so now.  I would say I have a pretty good sense of what Albert is like, especially since I'm highly empathic and sensitive to people's auras. 

   Albert is one of the few people that I've met, that I sensed a good amount of Golden Light, of the awakened Heart, in relation to. 

    What you are doing here with Albert, is typical human judgment and heaping your own unregenerated, repressed/surpressed/disowned shadow onto him, because it's easier to do that, than face and deal with your own lack of Love.  Albert is an easy and attractive target for you because he is unusually attuned to Love. 

     In this situation, Albert is somewhat like, though not fully like, Yeshua, and you are one of those whose shadow is being powerfully and uncomfortably stirred up by his attunement to Light and Love. 

  There is another way, and another choice though. Look to self and get your own house in order, before trying to correct others.  Only those who have done the former in many experiences and for much of this life, can correctly and helpfully do the latter.  If self is given authority and go ahead from God and Yeshua to act in such a capacity, then such go aheads will be repeating and unmistakable. I'm speaking from experience on this.


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The idea about this place being turned into another place is nothing more than a delusion in your mind. If you were honest with yourself, you'd see that you are discriminating.

  It's very clear that dogmatic, narrow doctrine based religion is being pushed here by some. Both Bob Monroe and Bruce Moen came to the Earth to help counter balance this some 1700 year trend, and help facilitate a new way.  They have mostly been led by positive guidance in their efforts.   

  You know who wasn't led by positive guidance?  The Romans who made Christianity a state religion and who forcefully tried to force it down the throats of other nations and peoples.  And when I say "force it down the throats", I'm being somewhat literal, as some of the surviving original, small Christian groups at the time, who practiced things like vegetarianism, would have Romans pour molten lead down their throats.  Though technically, this was before the Romans "converted" and it was made a state religion. 

  But, the Romans never stopped the killing and torturing, they just started doing it in new names, that of God and Christ.  Lovely folks, lovely "Christians", lovely time periods. These were "anti-Christs". 

    The best way to teach Christianity and convert people, is by positive example.  Be and channel Love, and some people, after awhile, will take notice and think to themselves, "wow, maybe there is something to this teacher Christ and trying to follow him.  These person(s) seem happy, at peace, balanced, loving. I want to be like them." 

   Do you think this applies to self currently? 


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If Bruce didn't want people with differing views on this forum, he would have banned them by now. Your false sense of justice is doing more harm than good. Just take a look at the threads from the past couple of months and you will see proof of this.

        Bruce is getting progressively more and more sick and closer to death.  Perhaps he has less and less time, energy, and focus to put on these forum dramas and conflicts? 
       I recently thought about filling out a Peer Moderator complaint, but I decided to not do so, because of Bruce's condition and that this drama is probably the last thing he wants to focus on right now.  Maybe he wants some peace before he leaves?   

   To some extent, this situation is karmic for him as well, because for many years even when he wasn't sick, he hasn't been too involved with this forum and not really paying attention to developing trends or people with deeper, hidden agendas. 

     When Bruce disconnects from the body, and more fully phases into his expanded/faster vibratory levels, he will see these situations much more clearly. 

  But, the fact is, Bruce DID speak up to Don at least and recently, and as Albert said, he pretty clearly indicated he was tired of Don's antics. 


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If a visitor were to view a thread regarding spirit contact or out of body travel, ideally they would read a discussion incorporating various viewpoints and should be able to sort out what is logical and what is not based on the arguments and supporting evidence the posters contribute.

 

    If the folks are being completely upfront, completely sincere, and don't have a strong belief that everything but reading the Bible or being Christian is demonic, then yes, I would agree.  But you're not being fully honest with yourself. 


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By the way, I haven't read one thread instructing people to not to explore nonphysical reality and to instead read a book. Your false inferences are bordering on lies.

    The only lying going on here is self dishonesty, and a lot of unconsciousness.  I brought up your Y.T. video earlier because it was a clear indication that you have tended to live in and from the ego pretty strongly.
       This doesn't change over night just because one becomes a Christian.  I have personally met many unloving and non Christ like Christians.  I am truly and sincerely glad that you have found out the importance of the Abba and Yeshua in the larger reality, but it's a long, narrow, and challenging road to walk before one even get's near them in a deep, consistent, and holistic sense.
      It's less about belief, and it's a lot more about livingness in relation to Creation in general and especially one's fellow humans. 

  Again, if self is truly fit to act as a facilitator for others, having first transformed much one's own shadow and lack of Love, then one will get clear messages, like dreams, from within from God and Christ, that this applies to self. 

  Have you had such dreams of late?   

  The unfortunate irony of this situation is that both Albert and I have had these kind of dreams messages, recently etc.  I know the first, automatic, unconscious thought/feeling is, "these dreams are from demons", but if you look at the Bible, you will note that dreams are one of the most preferred ways for God and Christ to speak to humans, and that's because our conscious, ego based personality minds are not involved in the formulating or receiving these. 

     I'll give you just one example from many:  I had a dream awhile ago, before I came to accept my role and why I came here.  In the dream, I was teaching a class, and a nice, sweet lady in same raised her hand.  I said yes, and she replied "Mr. W, you're like Christ."  I felt uncomfortable with the comparison and I answered, "While I appreciate what you said, I don't think/believe I should be compared to him."  I went back to teaching the class, and a little while passed and she raised her hand again, and I again said yes, and she replied, "But your eyes are even like his."   

    When she said that, I felt/knew the truth of her statement, just accepted it and didn't contradict her this time.  At the end of class, I saw a student who I had worked with in real life.  This student and I really liked each other.  I was a good influence on him and helped him a lot psychologically.  He was a natural leader type.   Anyways, I saw him at the end of the class, he had a big smile on his face, and he gave me a high five. 

      I've had a lot of dreams making similar points as the above.  I"ve had a number of talented, accurate sensitives say similar to me about my path, role, and what I came here for.  I've been getting these messages since I was 4 (Dr. Everywhere), but for a long time, I had false humility, false modesty, that I shouldn't be compared to Yeshua, because I had so put him on a pedestal, way above others and self. 

   I don't expect you to believe or accept the above, but I would like you to at least understand that this is the pov that I am coming from in talking to you and others in a more teaching type way. 

   If you have received a lot of these kinds of dreams, then let me know, and I will completely leave you alone from here onward. If this is true, then you don't need my or any other humans nudging. 

   Really, what I would most like for you, is for you to go deep within and ask to connect only to the Abba and Yeshua and rely more on that connection and guidance than anything else.  This is the main and most helpful/effective way to truth.  I realize that you have started to practice that, but I've noticed that you're listening to a lot of other people's beliefs and interpretations and being influenced strongly by these and that.

    Yeshua constantly stressed to others in his teachings, to go deep within and seek direct communion with the original Creator and he said, that combined with living an ethical, loving, holistically helpful life in relation to others, will help spiritually help a person more than anything else.  He spoke and emphasized so, so, so truly. It's right there, repeated in the NT.  Don't believe me, but believe his words.   

"Recoverer 2: I wish nothing but the best for people such as Don, Dude, Roger and 1796, but I don't know about you Uno.  ;D"

Hehe, I'll pass on the log and stick with reason. Let's see if your assumption passes the test of time. This is also reasonable.

Uno wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:

Please, let's try to discuss ideas and not a specific person. Well, isn't this and any other argument put forth something that can be countered with reason?

Exactly. With a solid logical argument, personal attacks are completely unnecessary, and usually a sign of a poor argument.

I Am Dude wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 12:48am:

Uno wrote on Jun 10th, 2017 at 10:58pm: Please, let's try to discuss ideas and not a specific person. Well, isn't this and any other argument put forth something that can be countered with reason? Exactly. With a solid logical argument, personal attacks are completely unnecessary, and usually a sign of a poor argument.

     Do I really need to point out the obvious that you and Uno have made personally directed comments as well? 

    Do I really need to point out that not all personally directed comments are "attacks"?   Like the difference between saying, "I don't think you're being fully honest with yourself" vs. "See the narcissistic psychopath in operation" that someone said to me.  The latter is a true attack, and completely lacks all Love. 

   Do I need to point out that the real reason why you say the above is because the truths that Albert and I are speaking to you are uncomfortable to and bother you? 

     Here's another, in the form of a question:  Do you still lift weights Vince, and if so, why?  I mean the real reason. 

KB, I have my sins to attend to, make sure you attend to your own.

Dude, looking back at my life I've often been overwhelmed by emotions which makes it hard to think straight. People ends up chasing their own overly emotional tail. And when I've been able to recognize that I have been wrong, but not due to a higher ratio of emotions compared to reason, I've had the facts wrong.

To be annoyed or depressed about somebody becoming a Christian is unreasonable. If congratulations aren't abound, then it is at least time to let that sentiment go. Let go, let God.

Being reasonable:

- Stating facts that explains why something is the way it is
- To think in a logical way
- To form (a conclusion or judgement) by thinking logically
- The ability to think straight
- The ability to think things through
- The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:03am:

KB, I have my sins to attend to, make sure you attend to your own.

    I've spent the huge majority of my life and energy focused on doing just that. Came in a hyper empath.  I was always kind, gentle, loving, and giving growing up, and started on a conscious spiritual path when at 12, I started to experience guidance communication and downloads at night while relaxing before going to sleep. 

    A little while later, I started to meditate, seek God, seek to become more loving and positive, study metaphysics, etc. 

  I've been through Hell and back in personal challenges, testing, and suffering to help burn out the ego dross. 

  Self has received the messages self has, because self is ready and pure enough to become a facilitator.

  Don't agree?  Do you know me?  Not really, and barely at all. 

   

I don't truly know anybody on the forum, and it's also true that I have the ability to read.

First there is intent (do good), then there is action (do good). Proof is in the pudding.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:16am:

I don't truly know anybody on the forum, and it's also true that I have the ability to read. First there is intent (do good), then there is action (do good). Proof is in the pudding.

 

  What, like not call out false teachers like R.B.?   

   I'll answer the above somewhat indirectly with a true account.  Back in early High school when I rode the bus, there was a Freshman who rode same, who was the classic so called "nerd".  Small, slender, frail, had glasses, was socially awkward. 

     There was another kid on the bus who was a semi popular kid, who had bullying tendencies.  Most everday, he would do something to the above kid, and NOBODY on the bus would do anything about it. 

    I found myself getting angrier and angrier watching this.  After one particular incident when the bullying kid, gave the other kid a very painful wedgy, I figured, enough was enough.  I took that kid by the throat and slammed him into the side windows of the bus and told him that if he ever bothered him again, he would pay dearly. 

    Others were shocked by this incident of violence. Well, the bullying kid didn't pick on the other kid anymore. 

     It is good and positive to stand up to bullying and those who partake in same. That's what Albert and I have been doing here, though the bullying is more subtle and not really person specific.  It's belief system bullying/forcing, and trying to convert this forum into a religiously Christian based one. 

    As long as bullying is going on, then I will stand up to it. Somebody has to, just like on that bus. I guess the other boy could have taken martial arts for awhile and then maybe have stood up for himself, but it was very clear, he was completely paralyzed by fear and passive. Sometimes people need to step in when the situation is extreme.   

Clarification: do good (for others).

How to remedy anger, depression, hurt, irritability and resentment that lingers (goes out from one, then around one, and back into one, goes out from one etc.):

Intent: forgive (and do good for others).
Action: forgive others (and do good for you at the same time).

Doing the right thing is reasonable, but make sure it is the reasonable thing to do.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:40am:

Clarification: do good (for others). How to remedy anger, depression, hurt, irritability and resentment that lingers (goes out from one, then around one, and back into one, goes out from one etc.): Intent: forgive (and do good for others). Action: forgive others (and do good for you at the same time). Doing the right thing is reasonable, but make sure it is the reasonable thing to do.

   Why of late, do you sound and write so much like 1796?  Is he your "teacher"?   Or is there something else going on?

I think what I have put into this thread speaks for it self, and will leave it at that (while I am still reasonable).

I'll end with this: it's if there is there is a lot of air around the body at the moment. I'm not sure what it is. Weird.

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There was another kid on the bus who was a semi popular kid, who had bullying tendencies.

     This may be important to focus and elaborate more on.  Growing up, we moved a fair amount and I went to a number of different schools. I observed similar, repeating patterns at different schools. 

  For some weird reason, the kids with the bullying tendencies tended to be either popular or semi popular, like the above student.

  Isn't that an interesting pattern? What does it say about humanity?  How and why would someone who likes to hurt others be well liked and accepted by the majority?   Maybe the Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates Like is partly involved, along with fear and social pressure/considerations? 

   You could say, oh, but those are kids and kids are kids and eventually grow up and mature.   Hmmm, then why is there now someone in this country, in a high office who is a clear bully and malignant narcissist type?  What does that say about this country and the majority of it's citizens?

  Truth is, most of the time, most individuals don't change all that much from being children to becoming adults, at least not a lot in core, deeper character ways.   

    Bullying types as adults still somehow get popular, well liked and into positions of power and authority.  What a strange world this is. 

  In light of all the above and the larger holistic context, isn't it interesting that we have Roger, 1796, Uno, Don, and Vince all part of the "any enemy of my enemy is my friend" group so against just Albert and I?   Why aren't more speaking up?   Why aren't more standing up for principles?  Why are some behind the scenes actually supporting those in the former group? 
   

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:59am:

I think what I have put into this thread speaks for it self, and will leave it at that (while I am still reasonable). I'll end with this: it's if there is there is a lot of air around the body at the moment. I'm not sure what it is. Weird.

    That's a curious statement.  Are you speaking of the fan that is blowing on my p.c. and me currently? 

      I suppose there are two ways one could know that, either via a kind of remote viewing, or via computers/I-net.  Either way, doesn't bother me.  I gave up on the illusion of privacy a long time ago. Way before it became publicly known that the NSA and others were collecting everyone's data, my spouse was having dreams that the government was tapping our phones, etc.    
   
      In the not so far future, there won't be electricity and Inet.  The seeming powerful won't be so powerful then.  As far as remote viewing and the future, when a person raises the vibration of the flesh to Light, then what would one have to fear?  Absolutely nothing, young one. 

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That's a curious statement.  Are you speaking of the fan that is blowing on my p.c. and me currently?

No, I am speaking about myself, and not about you or your surroundings. I am speaking of the sensation of still having lots of air around MY entire body + a sensation of cold + a headache front right that is disappearing. Even though I don't know why, it is the reality of my sensation. This is reasonable. I'm not part of an imaginary group. I'm an individual, one (Uno), that happen to agree and disagree with people. I also happen to like and don't like which is common for everybody.

  Well the statement was pretty vague and weird to begin with, and still is as clear as mud.

Btw, I don't (and didn't) think you're part of a group. I believe you that you live at where you said you live.

   But are you really going to deny having a certain, somewhat unusually developed skill set with technology and a tendency to not be fully open and honest with others? 

Why when earlier asked if you were new to this site or not, you outright lied to the one asking?  Why not just ignore the question instead?  Why should I believe you about anything when  you have already proven that you don't have a problem with speaking mistruth? 

  See, I'm the opposite, I always speak truth.  It has gotten me in trouble before, this penchant for speaking truth and being open and honest with my thoughts and feelings. 

  It's easy to be cautious and to keep things to self, I, like many others, did that for years as well. I realized that was the way of fear, and self doesn't want to be of fear anymore.      

KB, before responding, you do realize that at least some part of an eventual response will address you directly? Just checking. This is reasonable.

Karmabalancer,  you should not obsess about the lives of forum members. You have your own life.

   Maybe it's reasonable to point out an obvious fact.  Not long after you had resigned up here, some of your first interactive posts/replies here, were directed to me on my "Question about Disks" thread. 

   You started focusing on me in a personal way more and more strongly. You were trying to get me to doubt/question my guidance messages, dreams, and experiences. 

  I felt like YOU were invading my personal space. Albert noticed this about your tone and energy in interaction and said it sure seems like you have a problem with Justin for some reason, and he also wondered if you had been here before. I also had tuned in a bit, and got the sense you were not new here, and then asked you about it.

  You flat out lied to me and the forum, but at first I believed you.  This led me down some false rabbit trails for a little bit.  But I've gotten more clear. 

  I have nothing against you, nor a personal problem with you Uno, but as I've noted in the above, it is YOU who have engaged in this kind of overly personal interaction to begin with. Is it any surprise that YOU are now being focused on? Is that not "reasonable" considering?

     I am truly curious about your connection to 1796 and vice versa.  Why not be open and honest about it?  I can pull up threads and posts where you are practically kissing his arse. You're so wonderful 1796/Crossbow, you're so wise Crossbow, great stuff Crossbow, etc, etc. 

   Considering your consistent sarcastic, somewhat inconsiderate and rude social history here with most others, this behavior and interaction of yours with him, has been MOST curious.  I don't miss much, though occasionally do make mistakes and errors of perception. 

  Clearly, 1796 means something deeper to you and there is some kind of deeper connection, beyond this forum. 

1796 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 9:56am:

Karmabalancer,  you should not obsess about the lives of forum members. You have your own life.

  Considering there may be some kind of deeper connection between you and Uno, then I'm not surprised by the above.  See my previous post, my Aussie friend. 

I don't know the relationship between 1796 and Uno, but I've noticed that sometimes Uno speaks like 1796 and seems to have a thing against Justin as 1796 does.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Uno said is that he saw his Disk, but differently than Bruce. 1796 has spoken of Oversouls.

And Tucker Carlson, eh?

KB, I did indeed lie about not having been on the forum before, and admitted it to be so. What I didn't do was to apologize: I apologize for lying to you about my current avatar and about denying my previous avatar incarnations, it was a poor decision and should not have done that.

But you didn't answer the question, and it is a reasonable question considering the amount of posts stating that getting personal is not something they would like. So I ask you again, do you realize that at least some part of an eventual response will address you directly?

Hehe, R2, remember your reply previously in the thread. Address me if you need to and leave others out of it. This is also reasonable. Tucker Carlson indeed.

Karmabalancer said to Uno:


wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

...      I am truly curious about your connection to 1796 and vice versa.  Why not be open and honest about it?  I can pull up threads and posts where you are practically kissing his arse. You're so wonderful 1796/Crossbow, you're so wise Crossbow, great stuff Crossbow, etc, etc.  ... this behavior and interaction of yours with him, has been MOST curious.  Clearly, 1796 means something deeper to you and there is some kind of deeper connection, beyond this forum.

I notice that when anyone thanks me for a post/s, or converses with me productively, that you get really upset about it, complain about it over and over again, even bringing it up years later.

And what's with all that talk about "kissing arse"? Is that how you really see it? What a sad outlook. 

It is not healthy to get upset by other people conversing with each other. Especially as upset as you get. 

It should not bother you. To the contrary, it should make you feel good. It should make you happy.

It does me, I enjoy reading other people's exchanges, seeing other people discuss things and learning from each other. 

You should try being like that, Karmabalancer. Try just leaving people alone to converse with each other, and be happy for them.  

Thanks for being a voice of reason 1796, I've learnt a lot from that alone. Living a life without being so very emotional so often has been a life changer (less suffering), and for that I am very grateful.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:03am:

KB, I have my sins to attend to, make sure you attend to your own. Dude, looking back at my life I've often been overwhelmed by emotions which makes it hard to think straight. People ends up chasing their own overly emotional tail. And when I've been able to recognize that I have been wrong, but not due to a higher ratio of emotions compared to reason, I've had the facts wrong. To be annoyed or depressed about somebody becoming a Christian is unreasonable. If congratulations aren't abound, then it is at least time to let that sentiment go. Let go, let God. Being reasonable: - Stating facts that explains why something is the way it is - To think in a logical way - To form (a conclusion or judgement) by thinking logically - The ability to think straight - The ability to think things through - The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

There was a time in my life when I was excessively focused on trying to "correct" other people. I was almost convinced that I had very little to change or correct in myself, and I believed I knew all the answers. I was also unable to accept different viewpoints, at least without driving my own down their necks first. Now I see just how foolish I was.

I too was a slave to my emotions and desires, most of which came from my sinful and defiled ego. My rejection of Christianity came from an inability to accept my flawed nature due to pride and an unwillingness to take any kind of responsibility for it, as well as a fear that if it were true, I'd have to change my sinful ways. Ironically, it was reason that allowed me to see the truth in Christianity.

If a person follows your guidelines to being reasonable, the idea of making a point or winning an argument by discrediting a person through personal attacks wouldn't even enter their mind. When personal attacks are being used to discredit logical arguments, you can be sure that the person has a poor argument and/or unwholesome motivations.

Volu/Uno has been here for a long while in some form or another.  I'm a keen observer of others.  He has a certain history of interaction here with others.

  When you showed up 1796/CB, Volu et all. changed his usual interaction to be quite differently with you compared to others and his usual vibe/interaction.

I'm just noting strong inconsistencies, and I'm curious about the possible connection.

See reply #35.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 11:04am:

Thanks for being a voice of reason 1796, I've learnt a lot from that alone. Living a life without being so very emotional so often has been a life changer (less suffering), and for that I am very grateful.

You're welcome Uno. I am pleased for you. You are doing the work though. The credit is yours.

And I thank you for encouraging me to write. I have not lived up to that all I could have. I have allowed myself to be undisciplined and distracted. There is more to write yet. Your effort and progress is evident, and that encourages me too.

1796, I seem to recall Justin calling one of your recent posts as inspirational. And it was, as is your blog.

See, here's the problem. Neither of them sees themselves as others do. Justin has been banned multiple times over the years by Bruce and yet he returns doing the same things.  Once again, by posting an indirect slur of our President, he gets into politics. Warnings from Bruce to avoid this topic don't matter to him anymore than all the other warnings and bans. He persists. There's a definition for that kind of behavior.

R

Good news and Godspeed 1796, and I think it's common to find that all is in due time.

1796 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 11:29am:

Uno wrote on Jun 11th, 2017 at 11:04am: Thanks for being a voice of reason 1796, I've learnt a lot from that alone. Living a life without being so very emotional so often has been a life changer (less suffering), and for that I am very grateful. You're welcome Uno. I am pleased for you. You are doing the work though. The credit is yours. And I thank you for encouraging me to write. I have not lived up to that all I could have. I have allowed myself to be undisciplined and distracted. There is more to write yet. Your effort and progress is evident, and that encourages me too.

1796,

I also want to thank you for writing your blog.  I haven't read very much of it yet, but I, too, find what I have read of your posts inspirational.

Thank you Lights of Love and Roger.

I graciously accept all of your thankyous and appreciations of my posts, but really so little of the credit of anything good that I do is mine. I think you know what I mean by that.

cb

Credit where credit is due: take a look around and look for what is good and it is there to see. It's important to keep in sight what good is and what is good. It's within us and around us, every day, all the time, forever.

1796-

I read your account you wrote in 2011 last evening and it has stayed with me ever since.

A few minutes ago a song came on that I'd like to share with you and others. It almost seems as if you wrote the lyrics!

https://youtu.be/6dbvOgFK2Iw

R

1796 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 12:23pm:

Thank you Lights of Love and Roger. I graciously accept all of your thankyous and appreciations of my posts, but really so little of the credit of anything good that I do is mine. I think you know what I mean by that. cb

Those are wise words, cb. I'm reminded of when Jesus says, "no one is good except God alone." All recognition and credit of goodness must be given to our Heavenly Father, as He is the source of it all.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 10:28am:

KB, I did indeed lie about not having been on the forum before, and admitted it to be so.

     You only admitted to try to publicly shame me and you did so unethically by sharing information that I had shared with you during p.m.'s.  What kind of people both flat out lie and then also follow that with the latter? 


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But you didn't answer the question, and it is a reasonable question considering the amount of posts stating that getting personal is not something they would like. So I ask you again, do you realize that at least some part of an eventual response will address you directly?

   I did answer you, I said that you initiated the personal focus, and I took notice and am now returning it.  Btw, why does it seem like you are threatening me in a veiled way?  I have no fear of your response.
    So you and 1796 have friends in slow vibratory, but materially high places--well I have fast vibratory friends in higher spiritual places. Guess whose friends are more truly powerful? 

rondele wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 11:32am:

1796, I seem to recall Justin calling one of your recent posts as inspirational. And it was, as is your blog.

   Inaccurate. What I said was that he seems to have had a lot of interesting and varied nonphysical/spiritual experiences over a long period of time. I said I had read a good chunk of his blog. 

   I asked him if he had written any books. Btw, 1796, I'll ask you again, have you written any books? 


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See, here's the problem. Neither of them sees themselves as others do. Justin has been banned multiple times over the years by Bruce and yet he returns doing the same things.  Once again, by posting an indirect slur of our President, he gets into politics. Warnings from Bruce to avoid this topic don't matter to him anymore than all the other warnings and bans. He persists. There's a definition for that kind of behavior.

 
     Roger, I have been banned twice.  The first time was many years ago, and I deserved it.  The 2nd time was almost exactly a year ago, and I did not deserve it, as I was just sticking up for self. Btw, I mentioned an Off Topic comment (political), in the Off Topic section.  I also started a 9/11 thread a year + ago, and Bruce hasn't moved or gotten rid of it.

    Btw you have also been banned. You were banned after you kept making personally, disparaging remarks to Morrighan.  When M. first came back here, I was a little iffy about her (not knowing who she was or what her purpose was), but I realized that she is a friend to Bruce and his forum's purpose in a loose, generalized sense. 

  Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. 

  Btw, earlier on this thread, the very first post, I asked you why you are here if you think exploring the afterlife/communicating with guidance is only a fool's errand and only dangerous. Almost in a predictive manner, now in hindsight, I also said, "It's a pretty simple and logical question, but every time I ask you,  you skirt the main question and issue."

   I'll ask you again, why do you skirt the issue and not directly answer my question? 

   I'll note something interesting about 1796's blog, something coincidental:  1796's last blog post was in March of 2016. He had only posted 1 time that year. The last post is roughly around the time that he got banned from this forum for calling me a narcissistic psychopath, among other things. 
     Why if he had more time after not being able to post here, did he not continue his blog? Maybe it was just a smokescreen and distraction all along?  A way to get people to think he wasn't R.B. if it got brought up. Also his talk of believing in Christ seems to be similar.  R.B. does not talk about Christianity and Yeshua, and I think it's possible that this why 1796, sort of focuses on it.  But from having read many of his posts, he doesn't go into any true holistic depth about Yeshua and his teachings like I do.  It's always a very shallow treatment and surface addressing.   

    Yes, I did recently comment over there on his blog as "TruthSeeker". 

   My intuition tells me that 1796/C.B. may be R.B. Albert and I addressed some major issues with R.B.'s work on Seraphis's thread some years back.  At first, C.B. seemed friendly and ingratiating with the forum and even Albert and I.  He p.m.'ed me in personal, friendly ways, being all buddy buddy.  But then, he would make back handed disparaging remarks about and towards Albert and especially myself. 

   As I started to call him out on this, he became more and more abusive, extreme and negative in his personal comments to and about us and "liberals", etc.  He belittled our beliefs about treating animals well and eating vegetarian, among other things.   

     So yes, I have nothing to hide.  It is very plain to me that C.B. might be Robert Bruce.  My spouse had a dream related to this issue when I was re-thinking about what had happened a year ago and whether or not 1796/C.B. might be R.B. 
    Though she had no conscious awareness of what had happened on the forum, knows nothing about R.B., or that I was re-thinking about certain events and individuals, she had a dream which very CLEARLY spoke to the situation. 

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1491253521

    Both Albert and I view R.B. as a deceptive, unethical, false guru type.  It would not surprise me that after we spoke critically about him, he would want to "bring us down". Keep in mind that R.B. has spoken at The Monroe Institute, that he has made comments that make it very clear that he thinks he and Bob Monroe are part of the same OverSoul and that TMI is "his Institute". 

 
     If R.B. is the deceptive, negative, false guru type that Albert and I think he is, I would not put it past him to be here under false and deceptive pretenses, and to try to cause problems for Albert and I for speaking critically about him and his b.s.  This is a man WHO HAS DEFENDED A CHILD MOLESTER in weird and unethical ways. 

  Doing the above would be nothing to such an unethical and deceptive type person, who probably is very concerned about his public, social image, since HE MAKES MONEY OFF IT. 

  Now, I am a true spiritual Teacher, but I don't make any money off it at all.  Everything I do is for free.  Years ago, I did an astrological chart for Lights of Love (Kathy) for free on her request. Jeff who use to be on here requested a chart, and I told him I do it for free, but he insisted he give me some money.
     I don't really care about money much.  I am like my Teacher Yeshua in that sense. For my job, I make under 12 dollars an hour. 

    It's very clear to me that there is something up with both Uno and 1796, and especially their out of character, mutual self pleasuring relationship.  I am open to two possibilities about this.  That Uno is a friend of 1796 (R.B.'s) with computer skills (this site has been having problems in the last couple of months and so hasn't my connection to the site, which I've talked about multiple times having had log in problems). Or, that Uno is just another account that 1796 (aka R.B.) is posting under to psychologically support himself. 

   Here's some interesting facts about 1796/C.B.  He fully admits he is from and lives in Australia. I asked him one time if he had ever heard of Robert Bruce after figuring that out.  He said, "never heard of the guy".  Ok, but 1796/C.B. talks about classic OBE's a lot. 

   Hmmm, that would be kind of like someone in the States, into OBE's during these internet times etc, having never heard of Bob Monroe. Pretty unlikely.   

    If 1796/C.B. was indeed R.B., he would not be open and honest about it. R.B. is not an honest person to begin with. He has lied about his so called experience with the guru Sai Babba (a conman and false guru himself) and other things.  He's a materialist who uses high pressured salesmen tactics.  See this thread outlining some of these things:
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1440608438/all

     I bet R.B. is probably not to happy with threads like the above.  Oh well, corruption, deception, and con types needs to be exposed for what it is and they are. I'll talk a little more about that later.

    Why if 1796/C.B. wasn't R.B., would he call me such an extremist, negative label as a psychopath?  A psychopath is literally the worst kind of person there can be. According to current research only about 1% of the general population is truly psychopathic.  They completely lack felt empathy and conscience. 
    They are negativity and severe lack of PUL personified.  They are not interested in spiritual matters, though sometimes they are found in the Clergy (in a deceptive way) because they are attracted to positions of power and authority over others. 

   The top 10 jobs that least attract psychopaths according to research--well, my current job, of care taker, is number 1 on that list. 

   The top 10 of most preferred jobs that attract psychopathic types?  []= my comments.
1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer [big surprise]

8. Clergy person [religion, but one can argue guru and general spiritual or metaphysical teacher types that try to earn money of it]

9. Chef

10. Civil servant [aka government]

Above excerpted from:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/#1e35a7b24d80

     If people would like to figure out the truth of the above matter, then don't listen to 1796, Uno, OR I.  Seek direct guidance on it.  Before you open self in meditation, state this intention, "I deeply desire and ask to attune to, commune and communicate with ONLY the purely Creative, purely Loving Sources or those that these may send on their behalf." 

  Get deep and still and with no preconceptions, ask these if 1796 is Robert Bruce or not. 

   I'm NOT afraid to speak openly and honestly about my true thoughts and feelings.  But it's become very clear that people like Roger (won't answer direct questions), 1796 (never heard of Robert Bruce though they both live in Australia), and Uno (he lied at least once) tend to not speak that directly, honestly, and openly, except in negativity to call others names like narcissist, psychopath, and the like. 

  If this was a case brought before a judge and a jury, things would be looking bad for 1796/C.B. and Uno by now.

 

   

     Years ago, when I was becoming aware of the amount of corruption and deception going on in this world, in government, in business, in spiritual arenas and teachings, etc, etc, I had a very vivid and powerful dream.

  In the dream I was observing a scene where this huge black spider was terrorizing and causing problems for people all over the place. Everyone was either consciously and/or unconsciously afraid of this huge black spider. 

    I also observed a golden lion who was watching this as well.  I could read his heart and thoughts, and he was concerned about what the giant black spider was doing to people and the problems it was causing.  The lion too had some fear of the spider, but it decided that something needed to be done, and that he would prepare himself and engage the spider in direct combat. 

  And so the golden lion girded itself for battle and engaged the spider in direct combat. The last scene I remember from the dream, was the large lion and it's paw, swiping at the giant black spider. 

   For a long time, I wasn't sure exactly what the dream meant, other than it was confirming that all the corruption, deception, etc in the world that I was learning about was true in a general sense.  Like the 9/11 attacks to help push America into war with Iraq.

    At first, I thought the golden lion might be Yeshua. I was reminded of C.S. Lewis's character "Aslon" who was a symbol for Yeshua the Christ.  But as I started to get messages about my history, why I came here, and my probable spiritual potential, as well as realizing other things, I've come to consider that the golden lion was symbolizing me and my connection to Christ and to PUL. 

   I happen to have Leo Ascendant/Rising. The Ascendant is in some ways, just as powerful and indicative of highlighted energies as the Sun.  Leo's symbol is the lion. It's ruler is the Sun, which also happens to be independently strong in my chart. 

    Exposing con artist frauds like Robert Bruce is part of my job here in exposing corruption in general.  As well as government corruption and deception. As well as the shadows of others I interact with and vice versa.
       The ruler of my 10th House, Venus (which symbolizes personal love), is very highlighted/strong, in Aquarius, and exactly trine Pluto in Libra. Pluto among other things, symbolizes the collective shadow. Trine symbolizes harmony and easy flow of energy.  Mercury and Jupiter are very closely trine my MC, and the Sun is trine it as well.
      Like Yeshua, I come not to bring peace, but a sword.  To stir up the individual and collective shadow of humans, as need be.

   Robert Bruce in the grand scheme is a small fish though compared to the world powers.  There's not a whole lot I can do directly about the latter besides raising awareness to deception.  The coming collapse is what will deal with them primarily.  But I can do something about folks like Robert Bruce meanwhile, even if it involves self sacrifice of my own image/reputation. 

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I did answer you, I said that you initiated the personal focus, and I took notice and am now returning it.  Btw, why does it seem like you are threatening me in a veiled way?  I have no fear of your response.

You see a threat, but can you see the possibility of caution? My intention with the question was to see if you wanted this to become personal (to make your intention clear).


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So you and 1796 have friends in slow vibratory, but materially high places--well I have fast vibratory friends in higher spiritual places. Guess whose friends are more truly powerful?

Fantasy, now you have a clue what the response will be about later. First, there is work to be done.

   Are you talking about my earlier pm's to you? 

  As I've already said, when you lied to me, I believed you and for a time, some false preconceptions got in the way of perceiving more clearly. That's what Bruce calls "interpreter interference".  Some of my p.m.'s to you came out of that, a mix of some real data, belief influenced data/lack of clarity, all jumbled together.   

      I do not have perfect perception.  No human I've met so far in physical does.  But just because I make a mistake or get skewed a little here or there, doesn't mean that it's all off.  It's not a black and white process.

   I would like you to answer some questions:  Do you think it was ok for your friend 1796 to call me a psychopath? 

     Do you think it's ok to start invading someone's personal space and then get affronted when they try to figure out what's really going on? 

  Do you Uno have perfect perception and always get everything 100% correct?  If not, then why do others have to live up to that standard? 

     

 

   

For reader’s information, the person Justin/Karmabalancer is referring to with the initials R.B. is a man named Robert Bruce. According to his website he lives in or near Sydney, Australia, and he writes books about astral travels.

He also has a website and a forum.
https://www.astraldynamics.com/
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/

I have no opinion of Robert Bruce, I do not know him, I have not met him, and I have not read any of his work and I have no interest in doing so. I watched a few minutes of one of his youtubes once but I cannot remember anything particular about it. I think I watched a minute or two then turned it off.

I would not have heard of Robert Bruce if it were not for Justin for two years relentlessly trying to prove that I am Robert Bruce. And if I’m not Robert Bruce then Justin tries to prove I’m someone else. Revealing and trying to reveal other's identity is a gross invasion of privacy and Justin should be permanently sacked for it.   

This forum that we are using is IP logged, as is displayed in the bottom right hand corner of every post. That means the Moderator can see the IP numbers of each of our computers. The Moderator can enter our IP numbers into an IP location engine website and see roughly where each of us live.

If RB, Uno and I are the same person as Justin says, then we will, of course, live in the same place. Vicky can easily verify that and tell the forum whether or not mine and Uno’s  IP locations are near to each other or in Sydney. I already know what she will find. She will find that mine and Uno’s computers are as far apart as it is possible to be, and that my computer is about 1000km from Sydney. So if me, RB and Uno are the same person using different computers in different locations then this person must have very long arms indeed.

That might be interesting for Vicky to do but she should not become part of Justin’s unhealthy dynamic. Instead Justin should just be sacked for trying to reveal a forum member’s identity.
For it does not matter who I am, whether I am a well known person or not, what Justin is relentlessly doing should disqualify him from this forum forever.

Justin/karmabalancer is very obsessed with me, as is his compatriot Recoverer.
Justin gets upset when anyone compliments or thanks me for anything I have written or done.
He gets angry and turns nasty against any forum member he suspects knows me outside of this forum, or is communicating with me elsewhere.
He demands to know what my relationships are with others on the forum, and their relationship with me. He assumes he is some sort of boss of other people’s relationships.
He demands that I give him personal information about myself, my work, my family and my friends. And he and Recoverer gossip between each other about what they think my personal information might be. 
He repeatedly says I am corrupt, a con artist, deceptive, evil, low vibratory, material, wealthy, fundamental Christian, under the influence of reptilian aliens….etc  (All quite silly really.)
Justin has vowed to reveal who I am.
He has vowed to always oppose me.
He says I oppose Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen (which I do not).
He says I am trying to organise a coup and take over the forum…. (take over from who? and who would want to control a forum anyway? I have a real life.)
Justin tells me he can remote view me and see through my deceptions for who I really am. (yawn)
He gets upset when I mention the words prayer, Christ or Christianity, and tells me I should pray to his yeshwa.
He has told me he has personal messages and information from yeshwa to and about me, which are just his own insults that Justin pretends are yeshwa’s messages. One such message was even in USA slang. Hehe, yeah sure, as if Jesus would talk to me through Justin, let alone in US slang calling me “dude”.

It would be funny if it were not tragic for Justin.
Justin and Recoverer have together waged a long campaign to reveal my identity.
Justin has flashed up posts with details purporting to reveal who I am and then takes them down again.
I have copied and kept two such posts.
His doing this to forum members makes him a menace to the forum and a threat to forum member’s safety.

Some people on this forum know who I am and what I do. They know that I am not Robert Bruce. And they will not reveal my identity. And I would not reveal theirs. There are others here though, to whom trust is only an important quality in other people but not in themselves where it is a thing of minor or no value. Even psychopaths and others who cannot be trusted expect other people to be trustworthy and get upset if they are not. It is not of others but of our self that we should value trust.

Personally, I consider that my being trustworthy/reliable to others is the most important thing I can be. What greater quality is there to have? If we are trustworthy, then we are everything, for being trustworthy is first and contains all else. Of course, we are all fallible, and should remember that of others, and understand and forgive accordingly.

Insults on a forum are just unpleasant things, they are no great problem compared to someone revealing other forum member’s identities.

Some forum members work in fields where they would be dismissed and could never work in their field again if it were known that they frequented and commented on a web forum such as this one. And some members may be employed in dangerous work with very dangerous people where for their own and their family’s safety they cannot afford to have their identities revealed.

Think of the jobs in society that one cannot reveal that one does, and that if one’s name and work is revealed on the internet then it would be highly likely to result in those people’s deaths or an attack on their loved ones. There are many such jobs associated with law enforcement, public safety and justice. 

Justin and Recoverer’s relentless campaign to reveal a forum member’s identity should have had them permanently sacked from this site years ago. They are a threat to other people's safety.

They even ran a thread especially dedicated to revealing my identity. And they are proud of it too!
They both frequently refer to it and link to it from other threads. Justin has even linked to it again in his post above.
Justin has no conscience; he and Recoverer are committed to harassing me about my identity and causing me as much trouble as they possibly can. And they have not yet been permanently banned for doing that. Amazing.

People should be able to use this forum with more safety than is provided here. If I were a Moderator then Justin, Recover and anyone else who tried to reveal other people’s identity or in any way threatened other people’s safety would never be permitted on this forum again.

cb

1796 wrote,
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This forum that we are using is IP logged, as is displayed in the bottom right hand corner of every post. That means the Moderator can see the IP numbers of each of our computers. The Moderator can enter our IP numbers into an IP location engine website and see roughly where each of us live. If RB, Uno and I are the same person as Justin says, then we will, of course, live in the same place.

    It would be helpful if you actually could get your facts and accusations straight. This is actually what I wrote:

KarmicBalancer wrote,
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It's very clear to me that there is something up with both Uno and 1796, and especially their out of character, mutual self pleasuring relationship.  I am open to two possibilities about this.  That Uno is a friend of 1796 (R.B.'s) with computer skills (this site has been having problems in the last couple of months and so hasn't my connection to the site, which I've talked about multiple times having had log in problems). Or, that Uno is just another account that 1796 (aka R.B.) is posting under to psychologically support himself.

    If you can't even get your basic facts and accusations straight, then why would should anyone listen to anything you have to say?  I mentioned the first possibility first, because I think that's more likely. 

  Btw, have you ever heard of a VPN?  IP's can be masked, seemingly replaced, etc. You can pay some money to a company and to have them help mask your IP and even some with options to have it look like your IP is coming from this or that country. 

     You could live in the US, but have it look like it comes from Brazil, for example.  Course, these services wouldn't stop organizations like the NSA or the like from figuring out your true IP address and thus location, but it likely would easily stop the average forum owner or moderator. 

  A word to the wise?  I've learned that if you want people to read your entire post, best not to write super long ones.  This is one trait/tendency that you and I have in common.  Your welcome for the advice.   ;D

"Justin and Recoverer’s relentless campaign to reveal a forum member’s identity should have had them permanently sacked from this site years ago. They are a threat to other people's safety."

1796- You might remember a few years ago a member of the forum was wondering whether I was a male or female. Justin (who else) jumped in with his opinion, citing reasons why he thought I was male. As I recall there were other aspects about me that Justin was speculating about, such as whether I might be a cop.

You rightly critized Justin for his attempts to identify me to satisfy the curiosity of the other member.

This all fits a pattern. His certainty that you are RB including his certainty about 9/11 is delusional. He lives in a delusional and paranoid world. He can't stand it when someone gets more attention than him. When that happens, whether you or Don, he goes into attack mode with the objective of diminishing them and, in the case of Don, lobbying to get him removed. He craves to be the center of attention.

He most definitely needs help. Everyone sees it but him.

R
ps- actually Justin, I'm Robert Bruce

   What I said was that I got the sense that you were either a cop or federal agent of some kind, or retired from same. 

The interesting thing is that about a year later, you wrote publicly on the board that you were retired from working in D.C. for a Federal agency where you were an office director, who supervised other directors, etc. 

    Since you ended up talking about this openly yourself, it doesn't seem like it was a particularly harmful thing to wonder about. It wasn't like I was trying to remote view you and get specific details, which I could do if I wanted to.  However, I consider that overly an invasion of privacy, and only would do it if guidance really nudged me or if pushed to too much, too often. 

    Btw, most people would call that a verified psychic hit. If I can be accurate about you, then why couldn't I be accurate about 1796?  If I thought that he was just some regular person, with no agenda and not a false spiritual teacher type, then I would never talk about these kinds of things publicly.  But because I do see Robert Bruce as a false, harmful to others public figure, then I do talk openly. 

    Imagine if say that Osho or Dafree John were still alive and had started to try to discredit and attack another forum member who was sensing they had an agenda and were really Osho or D.F. John.  If the person being focused on and attacked was reasonably certain of their intuition, and if they truly believed Osho or whoever was a harmful, misleading, deceptive, and hindeirng false spiritual teacher type, then wouldn't it be the person's ethical duty to expose this person?   Aka "whistle blowing". 

   Ah, but what do you think of whistle blowers and blowing Roger?  What are your views on say Edward Snowden?   Ever going to answer one of my questions directly for once?  Let's see what kind of person you really are, let's see some of your real beliefs, feelings, and thoughts.  You and 1796 are what some might call "birds of a feather". Pretty lacking in attunement to PUL in other words. 

   Anyways, I've gotten clear, repeating intuitions about 1796/C.B. being Robert Bruce on the down low, and my spouse had a dream which clearly confirmed my hunches. See this dream, the "coincidental timing" of which was, as such guidance dreams tend to be, way beyond chance and coincidence.  :)

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1491253521

  If if I get banned for speaking truth, then so be it. My Teacher Yeshua had worse than that happen to him for simply speaking unpopular, uncomfortable truth about the false, hindering, deceptive so called spiritual teachers of his day, the Pharisees, Sadducee's, and Scribes.  How many people around then, were as clear about their true nature as was Yeshua?   How many directly challenged them and their supposed authority?    

  Neither you nor 1796 particularly like truth, nor are on the side of truth. You like deception, partial truths, misleading, which is why you're on this board to subtly and indirectly discredit exploration of nonphysical reality and communication with guidance, as well as speak so strongly against non official government explanations of 9/11*.  Real big surprise, btw, that someone who has worked for the Fed. government as long as you, would try to do so.  Yep, "big surprise" there.   ;)

* Are you paying attention to this Vince.  Roger is not your friend, and not humanity's friend. He likes corruption.  He degrades any who would speak about 9/11 being a false flag event.  That, combined with the fact that he worked for the Fed. gov. for many years according to his own words, well doesn't this speak pretty loudly for itself? 

  Like me, you know that this was due to our government's corruption and trying to get us into yet another war. There are others on this board besides Albert, you and I who also believe similar.  I'm not going to reveal their identities, but we are not the only ones. 

       Another objective, verifiable fact about 1796/C.B.  About a year ago, and about the same time, we were both banned. I came back earlier than him and started posting before he did. 

  For some reason, he didn't post until a little while ago, when I temporarily left this site. Almost as soon as I left, he started posting again, and one of his first posts was an indirect pot shot at me,

   
Quote:

I am always pleased by those who have a healthy love for their country. The kind of love a person has for their country is the kind of love they have for others. The attitude a person has towards their country is largely diagnostic of their heart. Our country is our people.

Excerpted from http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1495894923/0
and reply 10. 

  How and why was this an indirect pot shot in my direction?  Because on that very thread, I was speaking out about the US Federal government's corruption.  I don't hate my country, but I really don't like how my government has become.  As a citizen of this nation, it is our patriotic duty to speak out against a government that has become tyrannical and power hungry. 
    Now, isn't it interesting that 1796, Uno, and Roger are all hard core, right wing conservative types?  Isn't it interesting that 1796 tried to make me speaking out about the corruption and wrongness of the US Fed. gov. about my "heart" issues so called?   He didn't do so directly, of course not, so that it would fly under the radar. He's apparently learning from Roger in that area.  ;)  ;D 

  But, very, very clearly, 1796 seems to have a very non-proportional, non balanced, personal grudge against me if he is NOT Robert Bruce. Seriously, who doesn't post at all until a certain person is gone, and then takes a pot shot at them right after that person leaves.  Hmmmm. 

   Would make sense if he Robert Bruce, the false spiritual teacher that both Albert and I have spoken critically of on a few different threads over the years since at least 2011. 

    At some point, "coincidences", logic, and connecting the dots logically, is no longer just "coincidence", but figuring out the truth of the matter.  Hmmm, maybe just like with the false flag event of 9/11 and other deceptions for self gain?

     In any case 1796, why are you such a coward?  Why wouldn't you post until after I left?  Why won't you tell people who you really are?  Because you are a spineless coward, who is filled with naught but constant deceptions and lies, just as Robert Bruce is.

  Like telling Tom Campbell while interviewing him, that a werewolf was on top of the building he was in.  Yeah, right buddy.  Or that he knows "secrets" that nobody else knows and can teach you, but of course, for a PRICE.  Or, that the "Master" Sai Baba, materialized to him, to show how special Robert was to have the dispensation of a enlightened Master. 

Turns out, this "Master" who "materialized" to him haha, was very clearly, both a child molester, general sexual predator, and also a sleight of hand, false miracle maker. 

   See, Robert Bruce is not interested in truth, in helping others, but only lining his pockets and having so much attention from so many.  If one understands shadow psychology well, it's very interesting in light of same, that 1796 would say that I am a "narcissistic psychopath".  What is that called?  Hmm, unconscious shadow projection and typical human ego based judgement.   

    It is so obvious that 1796 is Robert Bruce who has a grudge towards me for speaking up about his conman ways and shenanigans.  It couldn't be anymore obvious unless he actually said he was, but of course, he will never tell the truth.  It would ruin his reputation and carefully crafted self image as a spiritual authority figure haha. 

Well, you don't fool me, just as Roger never did. You both have different agendas, but you both have agendas.  Time and time again, I've said, as much as I disagree with Don and Vince in some areas, I do know and appreciate that they are sincere in their beliefs, and really think they are doing what's right and good. 

  But, as I am aware, this neither applies to 1796 or Roger.

   

   

  This is the first thread that Albert and I addressed the issues with Robert Bruce.  This was years before I had started a more recent thread talking about him. It's a long thread with many pages.  The below link only links to the 1st.

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1294677881/0 

  Yes, it's true that Crossbow originally had signed up before the above thread was started.   But that is no surprise. Robert Bruce has spoken at The Monroe Institute, he has interviewed Tom Campbell, etc, in other words, very likely he was aware of Bruce Moen who is also connected to that scene. Quite likely that Robert Bruce would have a curiosity/personal interest in Bruce Moen.

    But, while Crossbow originally signed up in July of 2010, I believe, I couldn't find too many initial posts or threads by him (I'm not saying more don't exist, but so far, I couldn't find much).  But, interestingly, he became very active on this board in 2011 and especially 2012 on. 

1796, I am not obsessed with you, I simply pointed out occasions when you have spoken to people in a mean way. I also stated that sometimes Uno sounds like you,  but I haven't come to any definite conclusions about this. I can't say that I really care.

Other wise, I don't spend time thinking about you.

"Since you ended up talking about this openly yourself, it doesn't seem like it was a particularly harmful thing to wonder about. It wasn't like I was trying to remote view you and get specific details, which I could do if I wanted to.  However, I consider that overly an invasion of privacy, and only would do it if guidance really nudged me or if pushed to too much, too often."

Justin, your timing is off. At the time you were trying to satisfy the curiosity of the other member about me significantly predated when I mentioned my job with the Fed Govt. To justify what you did by saying I disclosed the nature of my job just doesn't wash.

But I'm asking you to remote view me to obtain specific details. The fact that I'm giving you permission should satisfy your concern about invading my privacy.

And I'll assure you, whatever you come up with I will verify if true or even if it's close. Go ahead. Please. Put your cards on the table.

R

   Roger, it should be very clear by now, that I trust you about as far as I could vibrate you into a pure Light form.  :-X  8-)  :o  ;D

   In any case, I'm done with this thread. I have better things to do.   

  I came, I saw, I whistle blowed and I'm now whistling dixie and off to the next project and focus. Have fun pleasuring each other's shadows in my absence here.  You almost have enough members, both literally and allegorically, for a circle version.  ;)

   (:D Sometimes I crack self up)

Being done is fair enough and then the thread ends.