In some ways, that's a good question Alan. 

  Judging by my experience in the new age scene over the last couple of decades, it seems that many people become attracted to sources that aren't particularly expanded or pure in intent/motivation. 

   I think there are different reasons for this.  1., there are just a lack of more expanded and very wise sources in the world. There are far more distorted and imbalanced ones.  2. people tend to use their intellect more than their deeper intuition, and intellect can be more easily confused or mislead. 3. most people are decent hearted, and wouldn't expect others to be conning, deluded, and/or manipulative.

4.  Like attracts, begets, resonates with, and likes Like law.  Some more credible sources speak as if this world and system is generally populated by younger souls than mature ones. I think i remember reading that Tom Campbell says Earth/humanity is kind of like pre-k in the grand scheme of things. 

  Looking the overall history of humanity, i have to kind of agree with that.  I do think that's in the process of changing though.

  As far as how can you tell if a  person is a true messenger of God, well according to Yeshua, you will know them by their holistic fruits.  Truly positive and Love attuned people, will consistently beget/foster positivity around them. 

  However, this does not mean that such people become universally or even widely liked, respected, popular, etc. 

  In fact, often the more mature and intune a person becomes while in this world, the more a percentage of people react to them negatively, often in an irrational way.  Why, because there is a greater difference of frequency, and just as Like attracts and likes Like, unlike tends to repell on the deeper levels.  Since mature Souls are love based, they are not necessarily repelled by others, but those living in their shadow side often resent, dislike, or even come to hate those channeling and attuning to much Light. 

  This is why so many prophets, teachers, and society changers have been imprisoned, banished, minimized, demonized, and/or murdered.  The list is quite long.  Even Bob Marley wrote about it in one of his songs, "how long must we kill our prophets, while we stand aside and look.." 

   Perhaps the more sure way of figuring this out, is by attuning to and communicating with Expanded Guidance. I use a combo of Bruce's feeling/remembering Love (and/or appreciation), and specifically asking for help, direction, and guidance from only the most Source and Love attuned consciousnesses.   

   You can ask this ultimately expanded level about a particular teacher or source. 

  Speaking in very general terms, many of us, have our moments of wisdom and of acting as messengers of God, however fleeting or temporal it may be. 

    The folks you're talking about, came into this Earth, from very expanded states/levels and as humans attune a lot and deeply to PUL in a more pure and consistent way, and consistently express deeper wisdom.  In my experience and perception, they are fairly rare. Many of them are not teaching in any official capacity.

  At the end of the day, if another like Yeshua came among us, most would not know him or her.  Yeshua only became known and somewhat accepted during his time, because of the constant miracles he was performing. Even with all those material demonstrations of his attunement to God, many still rejected, or even hated him.

  We humans are a fickle and capricious lot, and speaking collectively, still prefer the known, usual lack of light over the blazing, white brilliance of Stars incarnate. 

Alan:

Do you have any genuine interest in what other people at this forum have to say?

Can you speak with them without making rude comments?

Do you believe they have an interest in reading your fear-based, fundamentalist, and sometimes insulting posts?

If the answer to each question is "no," then I wonder why you want to be here at this time.

Regarding Justin's long posts, sometimes detailed explanations are worth while.

Feel free to stick around Alan.

Recoverer doesn't know what he's talking about when he uses the term "really manic". He hasn't observed or experienced mania.

He knows a bit about neurosis though - subjectively. 

I like Justin's posts and they make a lot of sense to me.

Having read through these posts, I am now in agreement with Albert.  Alan, your posts consistently violate the guidelines of this forum.  You demean people and call them ignorant, empty headed, and insult them.  You have threatened to leave, and now, seeing these posts, I encourage you to do so.  Your fear based, derogatory posts are not welcome.  The sheer number of them is beyond being a simple mistake. 

Leave the good honest seekers of this forum alone.  I don't see you changing your ways.

Alan:

Perhaps before you use Jesus as a defense for rude behavior, you should learn to love as he loved. Remember what he said about loving your neighbor as yourself, being nonjudgmental, and his prodigal son story.


Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 20^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Posted by: Ralph Buskey      Posted on: Today at 12:22am
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When I said Quote:
I didn't notice that you are the one who originally started this post, so I apologize for that question. While creating my reply, I couldn't see the rest of the post and falsely assumed that this post was started by someone other than you. Besides, I can now see how your title for this post can relate to what you were saying.

Sincerely,

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You, Justin, are too stupid to comprehend this statement by me so DUE TO YOU JUSTIN NO ONE ELSE I AM GOING TO REMOVE ALL OF MY THOUSANDS OF POSTS FROM THE FORUM UNSUBSCRIBE AND LEAVE IT FOREVER

So Justin your posts are short to the point readable and concise while I post excessively "Really" that is hypocrisy by you?  Did you notice that before I returned to the forum it was as good as dead?

The last person I want to remote view is you Justin, and you cannot tell me who my friends are on this forum and who are not, they know that and not you unless you can read their minds.

Just read you own post in the quote above is is a long rambling, verbose, illogical almost impossible to pick out any logic or truth from it

Look at it now, just notice the increase in visitors and that was not due to your, very , very, long dull illogical posts

I am also redhead, now gone grey of Scottish descent on my father's side and Jewish on my mothers side and this give me more right to use the Hebrew name of Jesus than you, but unlike you, I think about what I post and know that 98% of visitors would not know who this entity "Yeshua" is, that you persist using instead of Jesus that every English speaker on planet earth would immediately know exactly who you were referring to.

  First, i thought you were "done with me"? 

  2nd, you still haven't explained well at all, why you continue to hang out at this site considering your views towards Bruce and Afterlife exploration. 

  Maybe i'm just perceiving your true colors? 

  Why were egging on Alan when you knew full well he didn't need to be "encouraged" at all?

recoverer wrote on Apr 20^th, 2016 at 11:35am:


You, recoverer, accuse others for mean spirited posts, when you reply with equal
mean spirited posts of your own! Hypocrite!

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So if you are ignoring me as a troll, then why are you constantly commenting on my posts!?...Truth hurts! Doesn't it , Justinius!   

The only thing Justin does well on this forum is spray venom around.

1796,

At some point, perhaps during a life review after being stubborn about it for a while, you will need to understand that standing up to people such as yourself who make disrespectful and rude comments towards others, isn't the same thing as spreading venom.

Doc, Justin and myself have pointed out that some of your comments towards others aren't acceptable. Either you can react defensively towards us and write a post such as the below, or you can do yourself a favor and take a moment to consider why we wrote what we wrote.



1796 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2016 at 11:49am:

Just one question, do you believe it is okay for people on this forum to make disrespectful comments towards other people on this forum?


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Well put Doc.

DocM wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2016 at 3:40pm:

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See the narcissistic psychopath.

He says to Alan, "I only wanted to help you". That is bullsh*t, of course. He wanted to hurt.

In the rest of his post he works cruelly on Alan, pricking every nerve he can while pretending he's concerned for Alan's welfare. I don't want to requote it because its so disgusting. Those who want to see how he works can read it themselves.   

He knew exactly what effect his post would have on Alan and what Alan's actions would be. He knew because Alan told us beforehand. We all knew. So Justin the snake went and did it, and tries to dress it as caring. How you dress what you do is irrelevant. Known effect equals intent.

chrwe, you may not have known what Alan would likely do in response to Justin's post, but I knew, and Justin knew.

I feel that there are a couple of things I have left unsaid, and so I will go ahead and say them here. I am fond of every single person who has posted on this board. There is a sense of familiarity because who you are does come through the keyboard, "flaws" and all.

Since we were children words came spilling out of our mouths before we even knew what they meant. We caused adults in our vicinity to laugh and to cringe. Sometimes the things we said at various times in our lives may have seemed unforgivable.

It really makes very little difference if our words are blatantly insulting or quietly insulting -- our meaning is known on some level despite how we might try to hide our angers or our fears.

Whether we call someone stupid or imply that they somehow do not make the high mark that we have set for them, there is very little difference. It is heard, it is felt.

At the end of my life, if I have awareness on my final day, I am sure I will be thinking to myself how much I do love every single one of you, and I will be wishing you well. These differences among us mean so very little in the end.

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   I don't think we can lump it all under the same umbrella. There are many, many, many degrees of error/lack of Light, just as there are many, many degrees of attunement to PUL/pure Light. 

   We all fall short of the former to some degree much of the time.  The degree we lack attunement to and express the latter, is the degree of destructiveness to ourselves and others that we co-create.

   To think that a PUL attuned person never engages in personal criticism of others or their behaviors is simply not true. 

The Teacher of teachers engaged in this with the Pharisees, Sadduccess, Scribes, and occasionally with everyday people like the woman at the well. 

  But it was the intent, the feeling, the motivation behind/within it, that was different between typical human and ego based judgement, and say the judgment of the Elders during Life reviews. 

  It's important  to differentiate and discriminate the finer and more relative points of these spiritual truths and human interaction.  Otherwise, we create belief systems and rules that are too rigid and which lack relativity. 

Hi Alan,

You can haunt me anytime.

<< 1 John 3 >>
1 John 3 Hebrew Bible (OT and NT)      
1 ראו מה גדלה אהבת האב הנתונה לנו אשר נקרא בני האלהים על כן העולם איננו ידע אתנו יען כי אותו לא ידע׃ 2 אהובי עתה בנים לאלהים אנחנו ועוד לא נגלה מה נהיה אך ידענו כי בהגלותו נדמה לו כי נראהו כאשר הוא׃ 3 וכל אשר לו תקוה כזאת יטהר את עצמו כאשר טהור גם הוא׃

Justin finds Yahshua in the above text, please??

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Having red hair with golden highlights, fair skin and Germanic background does not prove you’re not a Jew. There are plenty of redheaded Germanic Jews. See for yourself. 
https://www.google.com.au/search?biw=1109&bih=580&tbm=isch&sa=1&btnG=Search&q=as...
And that is not an image search for redheaded Jews, just Ashkenazi Jews (northern European Jews)

Northern Jews have always had redheads amongst them, just as there are redheads amongst all northern European people. Your claim that your physical appearance shows how off Alan is in referring to you as Hebrew is a false counter. Besides, he called you Hebrew to mock you because you use Hebrew terms pretentiously.

And I do not say you are a narcissist because you take any opportunity to affectionately describe your physical appearance (for that would just be a symptom of the condition), but because narcissism is a componential subsidiary of elitism, and you are an elitist.

An elitist, by definition is someone who believes that he is a beholder of a societal ideal. In other words, an elitist is convinced that society has it wrong, and believes he knows best how society should be, and how people should live.

Not all narcissists are elitists, but all elitists are narcissists.

And all elitists hate Jews, because western Jews are generally smart, and smart people tend to do well in a free society. Elitists hate free society and hate those who do well in it. Jews are America's richest religious group and your claims that the top 1% of wealthy people need to be "taken out" (ie killed) so the planet can "heal" is just poorly disguised hatred of Jews.       

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Doc, you might want to look up the definition of attack.  And belligerent, mean spirited, etc. 

Referring to someone as an elitist is a characterization, but certainly does not constitute an attack nor is it belligerent. 

R

  Well, it's official 1796, you've just won yourself a brand new "Jump to Conclusions" mat and game (ode to a comedy i like, called Office Space).

  But seriously, you're so off base in your assumptions and interpretations, i don't even know where to begin. 

   First, there is a difference between "Jewish" and "Hebrew/Hebraic".   Jewish is a group term based on religion and shared, core religious beliefs. 

  Hebrew refers specifically to a group of Semitic people's that originated in the Middle East. It's a term of primarily ethnicity.  While i'm sure the Celts, Romans, Greeks, and what not, mixed it up there and injected some genetics that very occasionally express reddish hair, it's far, far from being common among the people that have been living in the region continuously for many generations. 

  These Semitic people and genetics, has become rarer in Israel in the last 6 decades, because there has been such an influx immigration of Jewish people from all kinds of genetic backgrounds--much of Eastern Euro descent especially and to a lesser extent Western Euro.

   The original Hebraic people of the region, physically and genetically resemble much more closely the Palestinians and other close neighbors than they do their Jewish migrant cousins. 

  In any case, red hair/pigment is the most rare one in the world.  It is especially uncommon among certain ethnicity's like the original Hebraic and general Semetic population.  It's even more uncommon among Sub Saharan African peoples/ethnicity and Asiatic for some examples.

   Alan referred to me as "Hebrew", i primarily said that i was not of Hebrew descent, and i also clarified that i'm ALSO not of Jewish connection either.  Hebrews aka people of strong, direct Semitic descent, that look like me are going to be extremely rare.  There are Jewish people that share these kinds of looks, because well, people that fall under the Jewish umbrella have become involved with virtually every ethnicity on the planet.  There are Jewish black people, Jewish oriental people, Celtic looking Jewish people, etc, etc.  There is quite a large Jewish population in Ethiopia.

If Alan was being sarcastic about this reference, i didn't pick up on that.  I took him on face value, when he referred to me as "Hebrew".   

   Maybe learn the actual real terms and meanings before nitpicking and arguing semantics. I have never spoken of Jewish or Hebrew people in a derogatory way here. I don't lump people all together based on some material grouping or unimportant category.  I went to my Jewish friend's wedding and wore a Yamaka.

  I have no room for hate in my heart of anyone, let alone an entire people.  Even with my step father who made my life a living hell from age 8 to 20, i constantly counseled my grandparents, who hated him and spoke ill of him often even when he was out of the scene, i would say, "It is better to let it and him go, and forgive him. I have forgiven him, and he did much worse to me."

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  *(My addition of underline). I've been on this forum for about 11 years, and have referred to my looks, maybe 2 or 3 times total, and within specific context.  You're really grasping at straws here.  Truth and truthfulness doesn't seem to be an ideal of yours of late.  Neither is logic, reason, or rationality.


   Re: the Earth changes and what i wrote--i'm pretty sure i addressed and explained this before in greater context, but i will do it again. 

     There is a spiritual awakening happening in and to this world. This spiritual awakening or quickening is progressively getting stronger and stronger as time goes by.  There are a few things hindering the more complete transformation of this world.  One is the old guard, that likes and is continuing the same old, same old.  These are instrumental in creating wars, blocking of alternative, cleaner energies, taking advantage of poor and disenfranchised peoples around the world, promoting/fostering harmful and limiting beliefs and focuses (such as materialism is a source of happiness/fulfillment) etc, etc.

  These folks, of different ethnicity's, and not just Hebraic descent by any means, really like material power and control.  They live for it, and spend every moment trying to get more in various forms, whether it be money, status, social influence, etc. 

   Because they do have so much money and connection in this world, they have a very strong influence on what happens materially in this world. They are very involved with the political and governmental systems of the world, as well as the monetary, mainstream media, etc. 

   They like things the way they are--they do not want to see this world spiritually transform to the New Earth and New Heaven that Yeshua talked about, and which people from Bob Monroe, Howard Storm, Rosalind McKnight, and many others (especially those that experienced a NDE), including myself, have seen as a probability for humanity. 

   When i say they need to be and will be taken out, i don't mean they will be killed.  I mean that which their power and influence is based on, will crumble before their eyes.  Their power and influence is most based on money.   

  If there is a complete collapse of the economy and/or technology (electrical grids etc), then paper money/currency will lose much of it's value/importance. People will become much more concerned with basic necessities like food, clean water, and shelter. People will have to form socially integrated and sharing oriented communities just to survive. 

  The power of the old guard, will largely go up in smoke. It is then that Yeshua and Co can and will complete the spiritual transformation that this world is finally ready for, after many thousands of years of ignorance, brutality, deception, and mass selfishness. 

   As far as death, i imagine if there is a full collapse, that a lot of people will die.  Bruce Moen talks about this in a couple of his books when he talks about the Earth changes.  The ET group that he helped, told him that many humans at one point will leave en masse around the same time.

  However, chances are, that less of these super rich will die as compared to the average person, because many of the former have access to huge underground bunkers and vast saved resources such as food, water, fuel, and survival equipment. 

   And to be sure, when this culminates, they will try to more fully take over, but they won't be able to.

   Many people are becoming sick of the way this world is.  A world where things like human trafficking not only exists, but thrives. A world where our own leaders commit atrocities like 9/11 for self gain. A world where corruption runs rampant in the highest levels of government.  A world that lives in darkness on many levels and in many forms. 

   People will start to become more discriminating about the kinds of people that they allow become leaders and directors among them.  People in the near future will become careful to screen out these psychopathic types as to not allow them to gain so much power and influence.

  This kind of Love based world, is the world that i wish to see unfold. This is why i came here, and why many of us service types have come here, to help facilitate this great awakening. 

   That is what i meant and do mean about them being taken out.  Taken out of the equation, no longer such a hindering variable and active influence. Eventually similar will happen with the negative ET group--they too may lose their influence in this world and be taken out of the equation.  Do i mean that they will all die--nope, not at all.   

   You read darkness in, because of your own lack of light.  You have a need to project it onto others, and i have often played the role of scapegoat to my brothers and sisters in this life.  Ever since i became involved with others, especially in a group way, i've experienced this.  Since kindergarten, i've experienced the projection of those lacking in Love and awareness. 

    Why, because i came here from the Light, and have known it since little.  How many 4 year old boys, when asked what they want to be when they grow up, reply (insistently) a doctor to everyone, everywhere, and that they'll always be there for anyone, because they were so filled with empathy and awareness of our interconnection, and could literally feel all the suffering around them and the only desire was to help alleviate that.  How many 13 yr old boys become obsessed with finding out the answers to the deepest questions in life, such as the nature of the deeper reality, the nature of God, the power and role of Universal Love, whether humans live more than once, start meditating, etc.

   For this "crime" of having come here from far beyond this system, is why i experienced constant bullying from K to 12 from some of my peers, every year, and in every different school and when not actively bullied, otherwise ignored or ostracized.  Because i came in innocent, pure hearted, acutely aware of and concerned about others and what is important in life. 

   And this silly forum witch hunt, is naught but a continuation of this weird polarization/shadow projection.  As i attune more and more to Source and PUL, it will become ever more intense, and will lead to my early death which my spouse has dreamt of several times.   

  For, truly, as the Teacher taught, when you truly follow in his footsteps (and i don't mean by calling self a "Christian", but by living in a Christ like way), you will become hated and despised by this world and those overly intune with and attached to same. Ironically in today's times, some of the latter call themselves "Christians".  These do not know the meaning of the term.

This will only change, when the world transforms and becomes more Christ like itself.

   It is the same reason why some of you react the irrational way you react to Albert and feel the need to personally attack him, because he too came into this world from far beyond this system and from the Light, close to the core of Source. 

  This polarization of the fear levels, is what led to the Teachers trial, torture and death.  Guilty of naught but purity, innocence, and Love, but even more so than Albert or i.

   Those who truly Love Christ and who are true Christians whatever their specific beliefs are, or aren't, or what labels they identify with, welcome these changes because it means the spiritual transformation of the world.

    This is the meaning of the conversation between He/She, whom IS Yeshua in human form/likeness, and Bob Monroe about a plan to unite humanity, and to which Bob correctly guessed would involve the world "being in pretty rough shape".  But only materially, and only for a short time. 

  Those who fear, or dislike hearing the truth about this, do know yet know Christ within or without.  They love themselves and their body comforts and attachments more than they love others, Source, the Oneness, and real spirituality.  For real spirituality is all about others and alleviating psychological and spiritual suffering, which comes from error and lack of Love (and whether within or without). 

   

"Oh really, please."

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I do not read such long-long posts and will give you a miss in future

1796 wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 7:30am:


Spot on, bulls eye!

1796 wrote on May 2^nd, 2016 at 7:30am:

The above quotes, and many like them in the new testament, can be a puzzle, can even seem illogical.

How can it be possible that being able or not being able to speak certain words can reveal someone's soul?

Cannot people lie? Can they not deceive?

And aren't words just words anyway?

Can not a person say one thing, while their heart be something else?

Could it possibly be true that words like "Jesus" actually catch in the throat of those who are seemingly good but actually treacherous?

Could it possibly be true that those who are treacherous, who do not have the Spirit of Love within them, even though they claim to be practitioners of love, and even if they claim to be followers of Jesus, cannot bring themselves to credit Jesus by name, or to say anything good about Christianity and the Church?

If the above quotes, and others in the bible that state or support the same message, are true, if they are in fact laws, then they cannot be true just because they are.

There has to be workings to them, a machinery to them, a means by which they work.

If such quotes are true, then how might it be that they are true?      

And furthermore, if such quotes are true, and if we could understand how and why they are true, then how much easier and stronger would be our faith? 

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Yes, what do they mean? What does it mean to say Jesus is Lord and Saviour?
Lord or what? Saviour from what?
Any ideas?

(Re accursed. The word accursed here is not used in its common modern usage referring to being dominated by something evil like a spell. I am not good at languages. And every word that exists is a generalisation, or gets used as.  I think the Greek is ΑΝΑΘΕΜΑ, meaning to damn or cast away. As I understand it, late medieval English curs meant to seethe or spill over with anger, or to wish harm. It seems the Greek could also have been translated as loathed, despised, or considered evil. (???) Others might like to check that out, and offer thoughts.)



      

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You have absolutely no idea or concept who I am, however, I saw some of Alans posts and could not agree with him more when it came to your $&&%#@**&#$ N/R/I

I THINK I MIGHT HAVE JOINED THE FORUM LONG BEFORE ALAN DID.

I thought you were banned, if you are still a member, then like many other long time members, I WILL PROMPTLY DELETE MY ACCOUNT