After having been in a 'dry spell' for several months, I finally made some progress.  I attended a 3 day Outreach Workshop and while listening to the Focus 27 free flow tape I was able to do several things.

First I retrieved an Iraqi family of 6 on my way up to F27. They were hiding in the bombed out shelter of some tanks and were more than willing to leave. I took them to a Reception Center where there were many more Iraqi's and they were happy to see friends and relatives.

Next I made contact with a friend's wife who said she was going to classes, visiting her husband in his dreams and caring for children who were learning disabled in the physical.

Next I saw Kenny, a man I'd worked for about 7 years ago when he was a quadrapelegic. He passed over about 3 years later. He had made contact with me when I had first started doing retrievals a little over 2 years ago.  At that time, I was bringing a woman to the Reception Center and felt a tap on my shoulder, turned around and my mouth dropped to the ground when I saw it was Kenny and he said "Hi Marilyn, let's talk." LOL  Just recently I had been synchronistically put in contact with a quadrapelegic and have been sending Reiki to him (Jerry) for the past 6 weeks daily.  So much was so synchronistic that I was sure that Kenny had arranged it. So I called for Kenny and he came and I found out that yes, he had set me up to 'meet' Jerry and help him. It always amazes me how spirit works. I asked him how many others he has lined up for me and he just grinned.

After all that I went to my place and swam with the dolphins that are in the lake. Then, because I felt so good, I called for an aspect of Gordon to come and also an aspect of my Collie Teddy who still lives in Washington state. They both came and we had a wonderful reunion.

I feel that the group energy (6 of us) helped tremendously for me to achieve all this.

With Love,
Marilyn

W. re. human and non-human incarnaions, Ginny was talking about Bruce's idea of the Disc-self, viz:

: From what I've been able to gather so far, in meeting with a few of my Disk members, is that I/we've been all over the globe...and being human is just one of many experiences we've chosen...as well as simultaneous exploration and experiencing beyond the ELS. If I, meaning a vast energy essence filled with an innate sense of wonder, curiosity and drive to learn...

etc..  Now, I've been meaning to comment on this Disc idea anyway.  It seems to me that there's a big question here which isn't being adressed, to do with just what one regards as one's *self*. 

I would have said the self, *me*, is the individual personality having the single chain of life experiences.  The Disc, the collection of several different individual chains of life experiences, I would have said isn't "me" in that sense, it's a sort of super-being which has personality of its own but which also contains other smaller beings including me.

In the same way, a beehive has a soul and personality, and a bee has soul and personality.  They are both real people but the hive isn't exactly the bee; from the point of view of the bee the hive is a "we" not an "I" (although from the p.o.v. of the hive the bee is part of "I"), and I would have said the disc is likewise we and not I, from my p.o.v..

This kind of thing happens all the time.  For example places and institutions develop soul and life of their own, which starts as a sort of collective unconscious of all the living things contained in it, and then the whole becomes more than the sum of its parts and starts to influence the constituent parts, as well as being influenced by them.

So, if you live in a town which has been established for a long time, the town itself has a sort of soul of which your soul is a part, and the town is part of the soul of the country (often called its Sovereignty), and the land-soul of the country is part of the land-soul of the continent, and they are all part of Gaia, the soul of the planet.

But you, the individual human, don't think of your town, country, continent and planet as "I" unless you are specifically channelling and expressing them.  From your p.o.v. they are successively expanding layers of we-ness, even though Gaia may think (if she/it is personalized enough to think) of you as part of "I" and of your experiences as things which she/itself is experiencing.

What I want to know is, can one person be part of more than one Disc - in the same way that you can be part of the land-soul of the town you live in, and also part of the land-soul of a completely different town you go to university in?  [Not to mention also being part of a sequence of oversouls which goes self, family, culture, race, humanity, primates, mammals, vertebrates, earthly life, all life, all existence, universe.]

This is certainly the case with gods (personified expressions of concepts). For example the Trickster super-group of deities (or deity "Disc") is not part of the Male Nature/Fertility group, nor is the Male Nature/Fertility group part of the Trickster.  But the individual deity Pan is *both* a Male Nature/Fertility god and a Trickster.

The interesting thing about god-personalities/individuals is that they are fuzzy around the edges, so you can't exactly say where e.g. Herne ends and the Green Man begins, although at the same time they are definitely slightly different things/persons.  It's a bit like looking at clumps of cloud in a fuzzy sky.  You can't draw a firm line and say "That's where this individual cloud ends and the next one begins" because there's a continuum of grey fuzz from one to the other, yet at the same time there definitely are different clouds there.

Hi everyone,

Having decided I wanted to visit the Homeless City in the BST I focused on a whitish spot in the 3D blackness and was then in swift motion. Within a few seconds I could feel myself land somewhere and I initially heard and then could breifly see a man ahead and to my right talking or giving a speech. A city street scene opened up and I was aware of a crowd of people on my left. They had been interacting with the man but they suddenly stopped talking and I realized everyone's attention was focused on me. I was instantly self conscious and as I looked down at myself to see how I was appearing to them, I could feel myself--on another level-- intentionally reduce what I guess was my energy field, and I was then wearing appropriate homeless clothing (this happened so fast--I didn't have time to think to even do something like this...interesting). More silence and then I heard someone from the crowd offer an explanation for my sudden appearance with, "Another arrival." I understood this to mean I was just another person who had left the physical and decided to come live in this BST world...so I was of no concern.

They immediately got back to business and I realized an argument was in progress. The man appeared to be middleage, on the thin side with short dark hair. He was annoyed, the crowd was angry and threatening. He was communciating that he wanted them to stop doing something, that he wanted to be left alone. And with that he turned and started moving away, down the street, walking with a limp. I watched him fade away and then looked over at the crowd, wondering who I was there for and got a sense I should follow the man, so I did.

I caught up with him, saying I was new to the city and asked if he could help me out. I noticed he was using a kind of cane or wooden crutch with his right hand. It was short, coming to mid thigh with a 'U' shaped top or grip, so that his right arm was straight as he repeatedly leaned on it to push himself forward. He obviously had a problem with his right leg. He ignored my request but didn't tell me to scram, so I continued walking with him. As we were approaching a building I tried again, asking for his help, and as we entered through a doorway I sensed he was giving in a bit and it would be all right if I tagged along for awhile. We moved down a hall (the rest of the building felt deserted to me) and turned left into a drab room with a single bed, a chair, a little side table supporting a small portable TV. I sensed a kitchenette area behind us. He sat on the bed and continued ignoring me as I sat on a wooden chair. He was staring at the TV and seemed to be engrossed in whatever was being broadcasted. All I saw on the small screen was white snow (something like what TV viewers use to get years ago when TV channels went off the air at night). I asked what the encounter with the crowd had been about and I got back that, to him, they were pests. They kept stealing his things, bothering him and he just wanted to be left alone. I sensed he just wasn't happy living there. I brought up the nearby homeless shelter and asked if he ever visited the place. He said yes, he ate meals there (the shelter was created by Helpers--many whom were previous residents of this city--to assist anyone ready to leave this BST world). When he said this I could feel that although the shelter at times was a respite for him, it also unnerved him for some reason and he usually didn't stay long. He continued staring at his TV so I introduced myself. When he told me his name I got the letter 'R' and then 'Ro' and my interpreter started instantly offering all male names I had ever heard of that started with those letters. I stiffed a laugh, asking it to stop, which it did...and then excused myself, saying I didn't hear well and asked what his name was again. I then got a strong, "Rommel." This seemed odd to me and as I politely asked, "Rommel?", I immediately wished I hadn't. He seemed to be getting irritated.

I started telling him why I liked the shelter (and it didn't occur to me til after this retrieval was over that he never questioned a 'new arrival' having so much knowledge about the shelter...lol): their food, the movie theatre, the tours they give. I expalined I wanted to see what movie was playing and asked if he'd like to go there now, with me, and after giving it some thought he agreed to go.

Our walk through the streets was short and we made our way, once inside the shelter, through the cafeteria, out through the pool area and back into an adjoining building where I knew the theatre and various lecture halls to be. As we walked into the small theatre I briefly saw around twenty people sitting in chairs listening to a person who I could feel was a Helper. All I could really understand was that they were about to embark on a tour and I could feel Rommel getting agitated. I then understood that in visiting the shelter he was frequently made to feel he could experience some kind of change--what kind of change he was unsure of, and this was something of interest to him as well as a little scary. I touched his arm and told him it would be fun, to go on a tour...we'd go together and just have a nice time. He seemed to calm down and we then followed the group out through the back entrance to a parking lot. Nothing had changed when I had last visted this area of the shelter: same chain-link fence, a few yellow buses parked side by side, and beyond the fence a soft fog with patches of blue sky that suggested the edge or boundary of that BST world. A large streamlined tour bus was suddenly on our left and we boarded with the group.

We were then going somewhere, the passengers subdued. I noticed the driver was a Helper and the original Helper in the theatre, a female, sat up front, frequently turning to talk and smile. Rommel seemed to be uncomfortable as he leaned against the window, as if he was expecting the tour to be a great big bore. I asked him if Rommel was a last name...and if so, what was his first name and a flat, "Edgar", came back. It felt as if he did not want to talk about himself any further. At this point I was wondering if he had been a relative of the Nazi general, or perhaps had just carried the name with no relation and had suffered the consequences (?). I had more questions but could feel he was regretting having agreed to the bus ride so I didn't press for more.

An interesting thing then occurred: everyone was suddenly chatting more, enjoying themselves, even Rommel...and I felt a change too, wondering if we were finally out of the energetic influence of that BST world.

The bus came to a stop and I understood we were in Focus 27, at the Reception Center. As everyone got out of the bus the Helper was announcing all that was available to see and experience in the area, and I noticed that even though most of the group headed for the Center, a few darted off in a different direction. I walked with Edgar along the wide sidewalk to the entrance and we entered the center. I looked around, marveling at what appeared to be a huge lobby with a few people standing off at a distance...and the thought occurred to me what a wonder it was, our ability to create all this. And in a flash I was looking at a gray-blackness. All the 'props' (the lobby, furniture etc) were gone and all I could see were several bright, oblong shapes that I understood to be the people who were currently standing several feet away in the lobby. And then the lobby was back, the people appearing as ordinary people...and we approached a reception desk and someone started talking with Rommel. He was cautious but more animated and I could feel he was curious about the place and I think asking questions. Knowing he would be just fine in his new surroundings I backed away, moved up and away from the area and placed the intent to go to my Focus 27 place.

Much love,

Ginny

: I posted a message a few days ago about an OBE I had...what i forgot to mention was that after that was over I had very lucid dreams for most of the night...I remember one of them...I was talking to some guy who was dressed in a blue uniform looking outfit and I asked him who he was and he said that I knew him and I thought for a second and said...how do i know you...he smiled seeming to think it was funny that I didnt know who he was and he says "Who do you think i am?" and i replied "Your here to help me with something" and he smiled again...then i woke up...kinda interesting

BillyJoe, just had to mention this happens to me in lucid dreams where I meet these characters and they seem to know me, and when I ask who they are, they laugh at me or smile benignly; I always wake up thinking "now what the hell was that about?"
however, one of these characters in my dream was a lady who stood in front of me and beamed love and light at me, I noted what she looked like and what her action was in the dream; in the dream she was directing all the realtors involved in the transaction of the sale of my house to pile in the car and go away, she was in charge.
yesterday, I met this same exact person a month after I dreamed about her, same body type and face, same love, same in-charge personality.
I had searched my past memories for a clue who she was, as she felt SO familiar, I was sure I'd met her before, but not, in this linear time place.
I can only conclude that this sense of linear time is not....parts of us are venturing into the future and trying to bring back info. we've asked for...I do remember asking outloud..WHERES MY BUYER!!!!!??????
and thusly, she appeared. not to worry she said!!!
I am so thrilled to be able to get info. this way, as then I can stop worrying so much that "crap  happens philosophy". I'm just laughing out loud. if you keep a log of your dreams you can go back later and compare them to what actually happens in your day to day existance and get alot of "aha" moments. one other note: Bruce was recognized as going to either the library or future inventors place in focus 27 and told yea, you've been here many times, I recognize you! Bruce, like you and me, didn't have a clue what he was talking about. we simply don't remember everything. this woman and I also had to work our deal around interfering elements (realtors) thus the direction she was giving to the realtors in the dream.

my dilemmia now, is I've been invited to dinner at her house and I want to spill the beans that I met her, of course people think you're a fruitcake when you talk about such things, so maybe I better save my comments for this board! I did tell her "it was destiny" though, that was acceptable to her! lol! much love, alysia

Dear anyone,

Can anyone tell me if seeing a certain setting in one particular colour when OOB could have some kind of meaning/relevance?

In one OBE I found myself flying over some foliaige(?) and then flew over a large, long stretch of flowers. Beautifull, elegant butterflies were positioned on several of these flowers and they were so full of life. Everything was purple (and very intense, deep purple at that).

Mica

Wow...two in two weeks...happend again while I was almost asleep in bed...started to feel and hear the vibrations that i had last time and concentrated on OBE...this time i felt like i had alot more control over my actions out of my body but everything seemed to move really slow and i only got a few steps before i freaked out and went back....seems to happen when i am REALLY tired but having touble falling asleep...still wondering if it was really happening...

Dear all,
     I had a good dream about beliefs last night:
I'm several blocks beyond walking distance from
home.  I feel like I want to get home fast and
found myself jumping great distances up the side
walk.  When I reached the final intersections, I
found that I had no shorts.  There were some boy-
scouts crossing and I asked why they have shorts
on and I don't and one replied:
(Approximately)
"It's because of the way you see things."

I GUESS I'VE BEEN SEEING CLOTHED PEOPLE TOO LONG!


Stephen Updegraff

Hello again-
Now I have posted one, I am on a roll but need SERIOUS guidance from 'those whose knowledge and experience is greater than my own' as Bob Monroe says.  So I am actively and seriously seeking it. 
I would welcome emails to me from anyone who would assist me in learning more about how to start off. 
I have been reading your messages and they have fascinated me.  Ginny and Alysia and the regular contributors seem to approach all messages with understanding and love and I would very much like to hear one or 2 lines from people.
I would like to start making some contributions myself!

Much love- The Welshman