I’ve done my stuff.  I’ve researched and contemplated all I found.  Then out of the blue recently I got a big surprise about something I had felt comfortable with for a long time –  spirituality.

For a very long time I felt persuaded that experiences during life in-the-body enhanced the rate of  personal spiritual progress.  It’s what I thought spiritual guides had taught us. Nobody provided an alternative or at least I didn’t recognise it if they did.

The words we use may mean different things to each of us.  In a similar way we have different ideas about the way we came into being, both as spirit individuals and as humans.  I’ve always thought we progressed spiritually towards a state of near spiritual perfection before we reach our end as individuals - progression from where we are spiritually now to a point where no further progress can be made. Recently all that changed. 

I still see us as from the source and identically similar to the source.  When I say ‘us’ I’m referring to our ‘spirit selves’ our individual but spiritually-identical forms;  identical ‘sparks’ of creative energy that animate every kind of personal existence.  Those ‘sparks’ were spiritually perfect when they left the source to experience life as individuals and that spiritual perfection never changes.  They don’t need to progress spiritually - they are already spiritually perfect.  And when I refer to ‘they’ I’m actually meaning ‘us’, the spiritual us. 

We each are individuated sparks of that divine source, eternally spiritually-perfect but appearing as something less.  Isn’t that the grandest of illusions? 

Yes, the illusion is the physical framework we are currently temporarily in.  Once we leave this physical plane we see things more clearly and accurately for what they really are and for the purpose they served us. 

mac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 1:13am:


At the beginning we only think we are perfect.

In actual fact isn't the reality is that we we are in the physical plane because we need evolving until we are ready for that next step.

Nobody can be truly perfect but we be can evolved enough until we are ready for that next step whatever that next step is.

But we are unable to judge what that evolved enough is.

We were born with an innate. The innate is basically the dna  (if that is the right word) that defines who we are in this life. We do have to evolve accordingly in our imperfection.

Life prepares us and that is not an easy task. Preparing is for that next step.

This illusion of the physical is to educate us further and that will take quite some time as growth is a slow process.

at the beginning?

are we sure what we don't know about the beginning? or do we know?.....(actually It is not for us to not know)  the beginning whatever that is is when It all began whatever, whenever or wherever that is.  In fact nobody knows.. probably God has forgotten also. As the beginning was only a memory of whatsits or incompletes.

If the eternal spirit form were perfect we wouldn't need to evolve. We were born imperfect on purpose as for the eternal spirit form that was never perfect as that is something that holographs whom we are and whom we are not.

The Source is God or that is what we are told. God is not perfect either why do you think What got us here to mess out with education, experience, etc.

"""existing in, belonging to, or determined by factors present in an individual from birth : native, inborn

    innate behavior"""

the innate maybe an adjective but it that which is responsible for the directions or mis-directions in life. The innateness is pre-programmed for our evolve-ment as mentioned.

We are here in our mess to define what is needed to be defined at this present moment only.. the next instant we  might have similar blueprints but programmed differently or maybe similarly.

mac wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:00pm:


In actual fact we are talking about the after life. In more an indirect manner.

Indirect I mean to talk from the subconscious is like talking a foreign language to some people.

Many prefer the weather then to topics dealing with the Inner.

It isn't your English; it is how we converse from that Inner in this forum.

But the catch here is: isn't this a forum and website dealing with the Inner? Therefore those who read topics in this forum and website should understand the after life is a topic for THIS community... so join in and get a taste for traveling to the subconscious area known as the after life.

Isn't this what Bruce has taught?

withinn wrote on Dec 18^th, 2017 at 10:16pm:


I didn't know Bruce but I'd be shocked if he taught that conversations should be unfathomable to those uninitiated in community-speak.

Hi withinn ...

You are right on track ... "the inner" and "subconscious" are useful terms for pointing to how we access knowledge of the afterlife. Jesus and Buddha both practiced and taught this. And yes, Bruce did too. As I think about it, I can imagine Bruce and Jesus probably hanging out and smoking a cigarette or maybe having a cold beer.

So, what you are saying seems clear to me. And, interestingly enough your comment fits in well with what Vicky has held forth here (e.g., about how humans experience the physical world in illusion). For example, the Hindu religion (e.g., another inner practice) has a saying that "the mind is maya". When translated, maya = illusion.

Again, you are pointing in a useful direction. 

Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 19^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

shidad