Hello Vicky:

I wonder if it is worthwhile to keep the forum going. Consider what happens here. A couple of people, according to their Biblical beliefs speak against some the viewpoints Bruce advocates, Justin and I stand up for them, our reward is getting accused of Ad Hominen attacks, and nobody supports us for standing up for Bruce.

I don't know how long Justin and I will do this for. I don't know if anybody else will speak up for things such as the Disk viewpoint. So eventually it will work out that this site exists largely for the purpose for people who are intellectually dishonest, according to their Biblical beliefs, (more than they realize, you can't think freely when you are emotionally attached to a belief system)  to speak against things such as the Disk viewpoint. What is the point of that? I doubt that this is why Bruce set up this site.

Regarding my being emotionally attached to my viewpoints, if after I die, I find out that the Disk viewpoint isn't accurate, it was just a way considering things, I'll be open to accepting this.

I think it's appropriate to make this note here: 

Addressing all who have made me aware of their complaints recently, I want to let you know that Bruce is aware and we talked it over and I know what he wants moving forward.  He's regretting not having done something earlier that would have prevented all of the recent uproar but has let me know what he'd like to have happen if there's a next time.  I think that's more than fair.

I think the way that I've worded it is fair to everyone and also shows I'm not taking sides here.  I felt a little bombarded with emails coming from both sides wanting me to choose and so that's why I got Bruce involved. 

On a good note, I've also gotten emails saying people are happy to know the board can and will continue!   

Again, thanks for your patience. 

I wouldn't assume to say a method doesn't work before I'd assume there was something I was doing wrong.  After all, it's not the method per se.  It's the person's intention, belief, ability, perception, etc. 

Let me ask you, what for you would be proof to you that retrievals can be effectively performed?  Even in the afterlife,  anything you perceive is still only ever within the framework of your own perception.  There never is going to be anything you can perceive, true or otherwise, that you can perceive outside of that. 

You know, the very first time I met Bruce he let me borrow a copy of his Guidebook.  It was one of the prototype copies which I still have by the way.  I was eager to try the steps but was waiting for the right time.  Being a busy mom of two little ones I was never alone.  Bruce had practically admonished me not to just read his book but to actually do the exercises, to actually listen to the CDs and do them.  Did I listen?  Nope.  I read maybe a few chapters?  I don't remember how far, but within two weeks one afternoon I felt my guidance tell me, "Now's a good time to try doing a retrieval."  If you've ever followed me at all you know that I often talk about "The Voice" of my guidance.

It was the afternoon, my kids were watching cartoons, and I was making dinner.  But I listened.  I immediately went and sat at my desk in the living room and closed my eyes and did Bruce's techniques, and I had the most amazing experience, one that I truly believe was a retrieval.  My sight perception was what I'd call clairvoyant, just meaning that I was seeing in just-like-physical-eyesight seeing in my mind's eye. 

I knew then that what Bruce teaches really does work, really is real.  But it's not the method per se.  If it was, then I'd have that kind of experience every single time I do that technique.  But I don't.  So it's not the technique, it's me.  For whatever reason, that moment was a perfect time to try it, which is why I was guided to.  I had set intention for it.

Obviously doing it with two kids laughing at their cartoons in the same room doesn't matter.  What the key is, I think, is my trust, my intention, my desire...maybe something else too.  Maybe just a good night's sleep and strong will?  Who knows.  But I agree you can tweak a method til you get results.  Sometimes what we're tweaking is something inside us.  I think prep work, especially meditation, is essential, at least to build up intention.