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Yes, I agree with you Albert.  The love that we experience comes from within us, from our inner essence, or that which I consider to be our core connection to divine love, even though there are times where it may be falsely attributed to someone or something outside of ourselves.

I don't know why we even have the phrase PUL. As I've noted before, love doesn't need modifiers. If it's impure or if it's conditional, it's not love. It's something else, most likely an emotion.

I also don't think it's something we "have".  It's something we are. We can't send it because it's not a commodity, it's a state of being. Or to put it another way, it's God Himself.

R

Hi Roger,

Yes, I agree love (PUL) is a state of being, but it is not static.  It moves… the spirit, or essence of God moves through us.  Whenever I have interacted with a being of light that being radiates the most beautiful, ineffable, yet tangible love.  I have also felt that same love up well from deep within me and radiate from me.  PUL is simply a way for us to describe the experience as being one where no judgment or ego exists.  It's more than an emotion, and actually it's different than a human emotion or feeling, but that's the ineffable part.  There's no adequate way for me to describe it other than to say it is like a tangible substance that is incredibly beautiful, but that description is incredibly deficient.

Can it be sent?  Yes, of course it can.  Love (PUL) is something that is given, even directed using our intent.  It is at the heart of what I consider to be the most effective type of prayer.  It is at the heart of all healing regardless of the modality.  It is not created by us, yet if we are clear, without judgment or ego, we are able to allow it to flow freely from within and through us and be given to another.

Albert I was not trying to put down Bruce's terminology. If that's how you interpret my post, you might want to reexamine where that negativity comes from.

My point was that it's all too easy for people to confuse pul with an emotion. It's far deeper, whereas emotions come and go. The kind of love that is called pul is immutable. Without it we would not exist.

R

Roger:

I debated as to whether I should include the sentence that says "I do not believe that he created this acronym with the thought that people wouldn't be expressions of  unconditional love when they spoke of it." Including it was not a perfect decision, but I can't say that I completely regret doing so. When I wrote it I understood that you didn't have it in mind to attack Bruce. I figure Dude responded to what you wrote because he is anxious to speak to you and Don about the Bible.

On another thread Don made a comment that seemed to minimize the term PUL. Throughout the years some people have spoken of the term in an unfavorable way. They spoke as if it is a joke when people speak of sending PUL to other people. I agree with Kathy when she said that love can be sent to others. I believe it is best to not minimize the love-based experiences of other people.

In a way it seems strange that there are a few people on this forum that don't seem to have much interest in what Bruce wrote. It seems as if they have an interest in getting people to believe in the Bible to an extent where it becomes their number one if not sole guide. As Kathy indicated earlier, it is possible to make contact with beings of love and light while we are in this World. What would happen if a person who likes what Bruce wrote, went to a Christian forum and tried to get people to be followers of Bruce's work?

I don't know, but my guess is that God doesn't have a problem with Bruce doing the research he did and writing his books. It could be that what he wrote is what some people needed to read.

Perhaps since Bruce started this site, it would be good to give him some consideration at times. I don't claim to be a perfect forum participant. I figure that Bruce didn't start this site with the thought of people such as myself doing things such as speaking against ACIM.

Who knows, perhaps before some of us incarnated in this world, we made arrangements to speak on this forum. Our Disks got together and tried to determine what might be helpful.


rondele wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 8:13pm:

I'm not sure that I agree that human love is conditional.  Well, I should clarify that sentence.  I believe that for many perhaps even most people it is conditional, but I would call that ego-related love where "mutual desires and needs" are met.  I believe that we can meet in a higher plane of love in relationships, where the love is given for the person just as they are, without expectation of reciprocity, and without our happiness being dependent on that reciprocity.  It is the difference between saying you love a flower and picking it to own it yourself,(and watching it wither), or to love and appreciate the flower for what it is, and watch it bloom, without the need to cut it off, covet it and stare at it. 

I do believe we can love others in an unconditional way; I'm not sure about projecting a "beam of love" per se, as opposed to just holding the person in our heart and mind in love, and by so doing allowing God's love and grace to flow from us to them (as a type of a prayer - per Don's discussion on the different methods to pray). 

With regard to retrievals, Don your point is well taken.  The idea that a person who enjoyed sadism or abusive behavior could be retrieved if they had not evolved to a higher way of being does not make much sense.  But Don, perhaps those people we are directed to retrieve by helpers have already made some or enough spiritual progress to move on from their current level?

M

rondele wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 8:30pm:

Roger, when I follow this link I get a warning from my anti-virus software that it is a known dangerous website.  Can you maybe paraphrase what it says?  I wouldn't recommend going there and clicking on any links.

Thanks,
Kathy

Perhaps we are nickpicking here.  I'm not saying that human love can't have a profound effect on postmortem spirits.  I'm just asking that we acknowledge the complexities of ego-investment and motivation in what we call love and drop the pretention that it can normally be both "pure" and "unconditional."  It is a beautiful thing that almost all parents love their children, but it is not particularly laudatory as a virtue because it is driven by instinct and ego investment.  True, Albert, Jesus and higher beings can project PUL.  I just want us to recognize that true PUL is a fruit of a long developing spiritualty that most never attain, let alone project like water from a fire hose.

Don, it is difficult to describe and put into words what we experience.  You say PUL cannot be "sent" and I agree the word "sent" implies that PUL is propelled, hurled, thrown or launched, and that's not exactly the usual case.  I think a better word is "given" which means to provide, offer, present, furnish, bestow, etc., or even the word "imbue" meaning to instill, fill or permeate.   Any description is prefaced with God as originator, such as God sends/gives/imbues his healing love through me as a means to help another, or carry out God's purpose I think is what is intended by those of us that share our experiences. 

I remember an experience you shared where God imbued you with a powerful energy of indescribable love, so you know it is different in substance than an emotion we may call love.  Physically and emotionally there is clarity, a purity that is tangible and substantial.  Still I think your experience may have been so powerfully compelling that the word "sent" as in propelled, or even thrown into you, your being could be an accurate description.  Of course I wouldn't know since it was your experience.

If a person understands that what some call PUL is the very fundamental essence of creation and our consciousness, because it's a primary attribute of the Creator, then one would likely understand that what we as freewilled (or beings with spiritual will to choose might be more accurate) beings experience are varying levels or degrees of attunement or lack of attunement to PUL.

   PUL is not an emotion, but it can be experienced through emotions and feelings, and that's a very important component of it. One can consider their feeling sense as a primary nonphysical sense that consciousness has always had. It's a sense in the sense that our material senses are senses for the physical reality--a means of perceiving data within same.  Difference is that feeling connects to both nonphysical and physical data/information. With humans, our feeling sense connects to the emotions of the body physical. They are not exactly the same thing, but there is a connection.

  PUL can also be experienced or rather understood in an intellectual/mind or scientific way.  The "Gray ET's" for example, scientifically understand that everything in the Universe and reality is fundamentally interconnected, One, and part of a larger Self and system. They know what you do or don't do to one part of creation, you essentially are doing to yourself. 

  However, due to their history and them trying to get rid of emotion genetically, they lost, or really damped down the feeling experience of Love, and thus became lopsided. 

   Feeling Love is a powerful experience and an impetus to trying to grow more towards clearer and stronger attunement to it at it's finest, more pure, and transcendent expression--true PUL. 

Again, there are degrees of attunement and lack. A lacking metaphor is that there is a powerful electrical energy source at the center of a world, where everyone in the world needs to be connected to for various reasons, but also basic survival.  But each person on that world, has a different transformer within them, based upon the history of their choices. Most of the people are trying to get upgrades, and go to "work" to earn "money" to get upgrades so that they can handle/receive and output, this powerful energy as closer to as is.  One, because it is increasingly and directly pleasurable, but one gains more power to create things, which also is pleasurable. 

   Many humans experience a stepped down version of PUL as in the love of friends, family, and people we connect with based more on material considerations, beliefs, and/or Like attracts and begets Like. 

   True PUL is completely Universal. That is how the Creator experiences Love. If we desire to be consciously One with the Creator, then we must become likewise loving in a Universal manner. No barriers, no separations, no this person or Soul is more deserving of love than this or that person. 

  But these human experiences are but stepping stones for most in the grand scheme of growth. Humanity in a general sense are but children in their understanding, application and expression of, and attunement to PUL. 

  There is both a receptive and expressive side of PUL. There is no really separating these functions as they are but different sides of the same coin of consciousness.  However there is a different feel and experience to the reception and expression of. Both are equally important though. 

   "Sending" PUL then is part of the more expressive aspect of it. Feeling it and opening up to it is part of the more receptive aspect of it.  Note that feeling and opening up to, always comes before the sending, expressive aspect. Yet, it's a feedback loop, because the more you express/direct it outward, the more you feel and can open up to it. Again, two sides of the same coin.   

  This relates to the nature of Yin-Yang, and how Source/the original Creator Consciousness Itself, was first polarized to the Yin (Feminine), then fully integrated It's Yang (Masculine) side and thus became a perfectly balanced/integrated Being which is the ideal state.

  In any case, what PUL is truly, cannot be explained, nor summed up, nor done justice to in any post, nor an entire book, or series of books.  For most, it takes a many, many experiences in various systems and levels, to really truly learn and come to know what PUL is.

  As Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like--only those whom are closest to PUL within, will more truly and fully perceive and understand what PUL is in a balanced way that involves both the feeling and mental aspects of it. 

  Just as Souls whom are stuck in the hells cannot perceive the expanded dimensions that are much faster vibratory than their level, neither can humans well and accurately perceive PUL unless there is some part of them that resonates with it more than not. The difference between Souls in the nonphysical state and Souls connected to humans in the physical, is that humans and the human experience by nature is the mixed or conglomerate type state where we are working on various different levels and aspects simultaneously, both in an individual and collective sense.

   So even a person whom tends towards the slower vibratory in most ways, may have influencing aspects (from their Disk/Spirt, guidance, etc) that is faster vibratory, and helps to balance out some of the negative/slow vibratory aspects. In this sense, redemption tends to be easier while Souls are focused in this level, than in the nonphysical where Like attracts and begets Like happens in a more pure and immediate way.