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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #15 - Mar 28^th, 2017 at 9:17pm

Vicky wrote on Mar 28^th, 2017 at 9:13pm:

Yep I agree. Using PUL, and especially for one's own "rising above", is in my book the best thing we can learn here. What you said points out to me that there are different reasons why we all struggle here in this physical world. Maybe tearing down and building up are two sides of the same coin.

Well said, especially that last part.

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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #16 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 12:25am

An Overview of what I so far perceive is most likely going on in this world. This comes from a combo of many different guidance messages (a good chunk of same as dreams), being led to certain outer sources by guidance, holistic logic, repeated intuitions, and deeply researching what's going in the world politically, economically, and socially--as well as much psychological research about psychopaths and that spectrum:

It can be separated into two different, but connected fronts or areas. On the material front: There are a number of psychopathic personalities in this world, whom through birth primarily, have a tremendous amount of material wealth, power, and influence within and on the world. Most of us cannot even conceive of how wealthy these folks are and how much resources and connections they have on hand/at their disposal.

If you really understand the psychopathic mindset (and living with one for about a decade was extremely illuminating in this area), and you truly understand history--you would understand that history has one long, repeating cycle of class war. The materialist, power hungry psychopaths of each generation, try to gain as much power and control as they can. Depending on what cycle and period you are looking at, these are usually thwarted to some extent by various outer variables as groups and individuals whom are very different in nature.

The constant wet dream of the clever and more self controlled kind of psychopath though, is, and always has been, complete control of society and complete slavery of "lesser" others. If you look at Atlantis, you will see that slavery unfortunately, became very real realities there, like it was in earlier America and other places and times.

Not since Atlantis has such a goal been anywhere close to feasible. But in recent times, a few important things have changed to make this movement feasible. One, a very interconnected world. Two, extreme concentration of wealth and resources into the hands of the relative few. And three--perhaps the most important--the development of certain kinds of technology and technological know how.

It is now possible to be able to pretty much spy on almost anyone connected to the electrical grid and especially those connected to the internet. A successful revolution or rebellion cannot happen in a country or world, where every move is tracked and known by those already with the power and wealth. Such individuals or groups, would immediately be known about and then neutralized in one way or another. See Schaeffer Cox for an example where a person starts to rile up us peasants/commoners a little too much and too successfully.

On the spiritual/nonphysical front: Behind those psychopathic humans bent on world domination/control and going back to a system of slavery of "lessers", are negative non human forces. Principally, an ancient, clever, technologically advanced, very psychic, and psychopathic ET group that like humans, have both a physical body and a nonphysical consciousness imbuing same. Stronger bodies and minds than humans

Some of the Souls whom have incarnated into and whom have become the human psychopaths with immense material power and wealth, originally come from that negative ET group. Others are just very vibrationally and psychically intune with this group and are very influenced unconsciously. Others are conscious of the connection and both like and try to foster it.

This ET group has long been involved with this world and with humans. Various different sources refer to them, from the Book of Enoch, the Testament of Amram in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the NT John's references such as, "He seized the dragon--that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan", as well as modern sources like Dr. John E. Mack, or Rosalind McKnight's guidance talking about a negative ET group that wants to and eventually would be allowed to directly war on/attack humanity--there are also some NDE account references as well.

The real, or primary reasons for the Earth changes/collapse that is coming, is not because so many of us peasants are so negative and unloving, but because if something doesn't happen to weaken the power and influence of the plutocratic psychopaths, they will get what they want--a very controlled, very negative, one world government. An eventual living hell for most of humanity.

This is the Creative Forces given us a fighting chance and leveling the playing field some. So much of the plutocrats power is based on money, government, and manipulated perception (through various means--mainly mainstream media). Take all of these out of the equation and force humans to go back to the land and to community--force them to go within and awaken their intuition more just to survive, and then you give humanity a real fighting chance against these machinations.

Course, the negative ET's know about the very high probability of the coming collapse, and of course some or most of the upper echelon of the human plutocrats know about it, and of course they will try to use that to their advantage as well. Different governments around the world will try to install martial law and the over dictatorial crack down will begin. People like myself, will be hiding and living in the woods, trying to facilitate spiritually aware and environmentally sustainable communities, etc.

The good news is that there are more mature, aware, and inwardly strong helpers incarnated in human bodies now, than there has been in a very, very, very long time. We also have many positive ET friends whom are trying to help us out in many ways. Source and the Co-Creators are rooting for and supporting us, albeit in a somewhat indirect manner.

Besides being a time of potential, severe crisis, it's also a time of extreme potential growth. Humanity has the very real probability of getting it's Love/spiritual act together and really uniting. This is the meaning behind the conversation between Bob Monroe and "He/She"--the most mature human in the Earth.

While it is a difficult picture, it is not a bleak picture by any means. The probability is that humanity and the forces of Light, will triumph over the psychopathic ET group and the psychopathic human group. But, we need more conscious awareness, more concern, and more activism to secure and turn this probability into an actuality. This is where various human communicators and truth speakers come in.

In an unusual Reading dealing with the ancient Egyptian Ra Ta period (a spiritual "Golden" cycle of much collective spiritual awakening and attunement), the Great Pyramid and how it was prophecy in stone, and talking about how the group of helpers whom incarnated then, would incarnate in the near future, Cayce's guidance said, "Is it not fitting, then, that these must return? as this priest [Ra Ta] may develop himself to be in that position, to be in the capacity of a liberator of the world in its relationships to individuals in those periods to come; for he must enter again at that period, or in 1998."

In other words, Cayce's guidance said that these helpers and Ra Ta specifically, would reincarnate at this period to help facilitate the spiritual awakening that is trying to blossom in the Earth. As Ra was instrumental in facilitating the positive changes in that past cycle, it seems he would again be given a similar role in the next.

The definition of liberator is "a person who liberates a person or place from imprisonment or oppression." What and who are the oppressors? The negative ET group and the psychopathic plutocrats that work with them. Whom is being increasingly imprisoned on various levels? Most of humanity.

What is the first step in any positive transformation? Ever is it conscious awareness and recognizing the problem. An alcoholic doesn't heal by denying their alcoholism. Someone who is in a abusive relationship doesn't change same by denying that their partner is abusive. No, first you have to become consciously aware, and then accepting, of the problem.

As ever, I urge folks to specifically ask to attune to and connect and communicate with only the most spiritually expanded, loving, helpful, aware, etc sources and seek direct guidance from these on these issues. Take up the challenge. Be not afraid. Both our immediate Parent, and his Parent, are with us in this battle.

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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #17 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 10:33pm

"...in those periods to come; for he must enter again at that period, or in 1998."

For non Cayce researchers, the then future period that Cayce's guidance most talked about, was the 40 year testing period from 1958 to 1998. During this testing period, this source indicated some things would be come apparent such as a warming trend near the polar regions, increased quantity and severity of earthquakes, a gradual spiritual awakening, and spiritual lights being seen in the clouds.

Also, for around the turn of the century, a pole shifting or change in the cycle of polar shifting.

Contrary to many sources and authors, Cayce's guidance did NOT say anything about the "world ending" or collapse happening during this period. In fact, in one Reading, they specifically said that by 1998, these changes should still be considered gradual and not catastrophic in nature. (I'll find the exact quote if anyone is interested).

More so inferred, rather than plainly stated, this source seemed to say that this 40 year testing period, would really determine the degree of severity of changes in the further future that would manifest. IN other words, if humanity mostly handled that time well and moved more towards Love, then such extreme and seemingly destructive changes wouldn't manifest post 1998. The more afar we got from Love, the more difficult and severe these changes would likely be.

It's too bad that Monroe's explorers didn't research this info, because a good percentage of them were picking up big changes for the future, but a lot of them were applying it to their present time in the 70's and 80's. If they had been aware of Cayce's guidance, which generally reached to a higher level than a lot of the explorers did, they would have been aware that even by 1998, these changes would be gradual.

Regarding Ra and that he "must enter again at that period, or in 1998", the follow dream I had in 1998 when 18 might relate. In the dream, I was in Egypt and viewing the Giza Plateau. I came upon the smaller pyramids and each was a different color, and I scaled/climbed over them. When I came to the Great Pyramid, instead of climbing over same, I entered some secret entrance into or under the Pyramid and came to a room.

I didn't (and don't) remember anything past this point, but I know something very profound happened in there, because when I woke up from the dream, I imagine I had the look on my face similar to the character Neo in the Matrix movie when he said, "Whoah, I know Kung Fu!" I was left with a very profound feeling from the dream. My spiritual awareness really started to accelerate from that point on.

A couple interesting experiences followed soonish after. One was talking to a lady a few decades older than myself while in a New Age bookstore/shop. We were just chitchatting, and all of a sudden she stopped talking and in a very surprised manner said something like, "Oh my goodness, you're an Initiate!" I didn't know what to say, so I didn't say anything. A few years later, this lady became a professional sensitive. She's the one I referenced on another thread where I got a psychic reading and asked "am I the reincarnation of so and so" and she said, "yes, but not in the way that you've thought" (I had just read Bruce's book talking about Disks). She's also the one who became obsessed with Edgar Cayce and his work at a very young age, like 9 or 10.

Then, about a year later, my Mom and I went to an intuitive for readings--someone that came recommended to her from friends. I told the intuitive briefly about my dream and asked if she picked up anything on it. She said that in a past life, I was involved in constructing the Great Pyramid in Egypt and more specifically, had something to do with something like "Star shafts". She said that I had studied astrology in that life, and that's why in this life, I had such an early interest and aptitude in same (true, I first got into it when 13, and then by 16 was doing full charts for free for people).

At the time, I filed it in the back of my head as interesting, but potentially ego aggrandizing and so didn't want to think too much about it. I didn't know if what she said was true or not. But I do know that I had that dream previously for a reason, just wasn't sure yet.

Also, at the time, I still had a belief of literal linear life to life reincarnation. Because of some dreams and experiences having to do with Cayce, I had begun wondering if I was the reincarnation of him. It wasn't until at least a decade or more later, that I became aware of being Ra Ta, a past life influence that Cayce's guidance outlined for Edgar. They didn't go into the "Disk" concept directly though.

However, it was inferred. Reason being is that in some rare, unusual readings where Cayce's source actually gives the identity of the beings/individuals involved in the Reading, Ra/Ra Ta was listed as one of the individuals assisting. How could that be, if literal, linear, life to life reincarnation was the only means/ways? Doesn't make sense. Interestingly, in that same reading, a "John" was also listed as helping out. This source of information in another reading, indicated that John the Beloved of the New Testament would directly reincarnate in America as a spiritual messenger, working for Christ/Yeshua, during the times of great change. It's possible that the Johns mentioned at different times are related.

In another reading, actually for the well known FM radio inventor/pioneer T. Mitchell Hastings, the Reading starts off unusually, something like, "hearken my son (Yeshua starting it?), Ra would counsel with you again" and then the source launches into an extremely holistic and expanded sermon on the deeper nature of spiritual reality as it relates to physicality and vice versa (apparently I was verbose pre this life too Roll Eyes

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Interestingly, it was primarily my spouses' dreams which first clued me in on my last life identity in the Earth. Such as the dream I shared earlier. She has had others related.

We are "Twin Souls" and it's interesting how often we will receive pertinent guidance for or about each other. Happens on the time, especially in dream form, because we tend to listen to each other's dreams more than we do our conscious intuition, thoughts, and/or holistic logic.

Just had a recent, precognitive experience of this. I had a dream where I saw her altered (impression of alcohol or drugs, neither of which she partakes much in normally), her breasts hanging out, and some guy trying to take advantage of that, and I got a bit frustrated with her and the guy I didn't know).

Two days later, she informs me out of the blue, "I just got two Burning Man tickets". (we hand't talked about it previously). We had gone together back in 2012, and while I enjoyed some aspects of it (the communal and sharing primarily), I also really didn't like or agree with other aspects of it. She went another year later, but hasn't gone for a couple of years. And yes, she tends to walk around bare breasted there, and she has done some substances (at the end), and since we are technically open/poly (I don't partake in that anymore), she has the option of being romantic with other men. Anyways, she wants to go with a mutual female friend this time.

I realized that the dream was about her going to B.M. again, and when she told me she had gotten tickets after not talking at all about it to me, I rolled my eyes and said, "well, that's what that dream was about." Apparently she was planning on this well before my dream, but she wasn't sure if she would be able to get tickets or not. B.M. tickets are hard to secure nowadays. They literally sold out of some 30, 000 tickets within about a half hour of opening up the sale. About 60, 000 people registered to try to buy tickets.

This kind of stuff literally happens all the time between us. We have an amazingly strong, in a consistent sense, psychic connection.

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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 10:49am

I'm of two minds about sharing certain information, especially the personal that relates to self. On one hand, I worry that doing so will just make me seem like a narcissist with a personality disorder and then incline others to not listen at all to the other parts of the message--mainly that hindering forces are very active and strong in this world.

On the other hand, sometimes I feel nudged to talk about some of these things. Also, I figure there are deeper reasons of why Cayce's guidance, which was very wise and very tuned in, spoke about such things to begin with. Why talk openly about the reincarnation of Ra Ta and John the Beloved of the NT as spiritual messengers and helpers at a critical cycle in humanity's growth? Were these messages only for them to see later?

Or was it akin to what happened with Yeshua? Even centuries before he came in the flesh, various different sensitive people had seen this future probability and spoke of it. Part of Yeshua's fulfillment was having led a life that conformed to these various predictions/prophecies. Apparently, some kind of preparation and pre knowledge was necessary. Otherwise, why didn't he just show up one day: teach/example, walk on water, heal the lame, and then resurrect after the body was brutally tortured and killed?

If this self is naught but a deluded megalomaniac, then this self has been that way since at least 4 years old when at the time he was empathy incarnate. The below link is to a real song based on a real experience--a young child talking to and inspiring his dad, with their talks of all the suffering in the world and that we needed to care and do something about it. The dad was deeply moved and inspired by these talks and wrote the below song, Dr. Everywhere. Perhaps that little 4 year old, whom was so open and aware, and so concerned with the state of the world, still consciously knew exactly what he came here for?

Yeshua talked of himself as being the "Son of Man", which is the figure that Daniel precognitively saw. A person fully aligned with the "ancient of Days" aka the first/original Creator (whom some refer to as God, Source, etc). Isaiah saw this coming person as being "Immanuel", which was saying metaphorically that this person would attune themselves fully to Source and PUL Consciousness. Was Yeshua being egotistical, arrogant, and a megalomaniac by recognizing publicly that he was indeed that person spoken of? Or was he just being honest and direct with self and others about what he knew?

I had a dream a few years ago where I had a knowing about it being time to don golden robes. I took it metaphorically to mean to move into an active teaching/influencing role. Bruce's professional psychic friend, Carolene, during her reading said that I should start moving more actively into that role as well--start putting myself out there. At the time, I wasn't sure I was ready. I had this preconception that this would happen during and after the collapse that I and MANY others have seen as probable. I've considered this is maybe why sometimes I feel nudged to talk openly about Cayce's predictions and various of my experiences related to same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg43X3A3sZI&feature=youtu.be%A0

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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #19 - Apr 1^st, 2017 at 8:33pm

A good chunk of the Cayce readings deal with the history and past of Atlantis. According to Cayce's guidance, Atlantis started out with some issues, but Amelius (which means "Light"), an earlier expression of the Christ Disk/Spirit, stepped in with a number of helpers, and helped to reorient the increasingly stuck Souls that were in Atlantis at the time.

For awhile, Atlantis became a fairly spiritualized, and fast vibratory place. But somewhere down the line, corruption started to worm it's way back in.

Most of the focus of the Atlantean history as outlined in the Readings was on the conflict between two main socio-political-philosophical factions--one group that Cayce's guidance referred to as the "Children of the Law of One" and the "Sons of Belial"

These two groups/factions were as different as day and night. Those whom aligned with the Children of the Law of One, were followers of the spiritual-religious philosophy that originally came from the days of Amelius and his main helpers. The main teaching in same was that all force, all consciousness was ultimately One, that our Souls and Spirits were made by a loving and wise Creator, and that Love was the highest truth and that Oneness in action.

The Sons of Belial on the other hand leaned strongly to being materialist hedonists and atheists, whom worshiped technology, power, the little self, the material and the sensual pleasures derived from same. They were by nature very selfish and taking. According to Cayce's guidance, they had created genetic monstrosities by combing human and animal DNA. Some of these mixes also come from the early days when the physical was less dense and slow vibratory, and form was not so structured and Souls could more easily influence matter with thought/will/intention, and Souls entered into and caused changes in forms. These "things" or mixes were considered by the Sons of Belial to be Soulless and that it was perfectly ok to enslave them and treat them any way they wanted.

The Children of the Law of One on the other hand, wanted to help these genetic mixes and did not consider them slaves and considered that no creature, human or non human, should be slave to any other.

Atlantis increasingly became a technocratic oriented civilization, and the Sons of Belial gained more and more power and control within the society, because they would stoop to levels that the Law of One adherents wouldn't. From reading the Cayce readings about some of these personalities, one gets the sense that some of these were what we would call today, hard core psychopaths. Individuals devoid of any felt empathy and conscience, and only concerned with more and more accumulation of material wealth and power.

According to Cayce, Atlantis went through a number of major destruction's, both natural and human caused, over the course of a couple hundred thousand years.

One of the destructions happened by accident, when one of the Son of Belial scientists had tuned a particular energy device too high, and blasted through the Earth's crust, causing a rift and allowing built up magma and pressure to release. It was almost like creating a super volcano.

Cayce's guidance indicated a number of times, that many of the specific Souls that had incarnated during these Atlantean periods were directly reincarnating again, for "weal or woe", and both those of the Law of One, and the Sons of Belial, has strong tendencies towards extremes, for the extremes is what they had lived through and created within themselves. Related to such extremes were the astrological correspondence of strong attunement to the symbol of Uranus in the birth chart.

For example, both Edgar Cayce and Nikola Tesla had Uranus extremely highlighted in their charts.

More over, Cayce's guidance specifically said that a lot of these past Atlanteans were reincarnating primarily in America and were part of the reason of why technological innovation and pioneering was exploding on the scene during these times.

In a very real sense, Cayce's guidance inferred that America was Atlantis reborn/reincarnated, and was playing out some of the same themes and patterns--particularly a class war between those of the Light and those of an extreme lack of Light.

Look around you, doesn't Cayce's guidance ring true? Just as Atlantis became imperialistic and domineering in the world then, so to has Atlantis reborn become similar.

We are at a crossroads where the psychopathic plutocrats--many former Sons of Belial in Atlantis, have garnered far, far, far too much power and influence in this world and through their inherently destructive and selfish nature are causing problems for many life forms in this world.

Can you understand why even Expanded Guidance feels some urgency in relation to these matters? Why those of us in the know, in human and non human form, are very concerned about the way things are heading?

Will sticking our collective heads in the sand and promoting beliefs that physical life is a vacation from eternity, help to change things for the better? This self would give everything, literally everything and anything, to help change this for the better. Guidance showed me one time a future possibility where the Reptilians and psychopathic human plutocrats won, and got what they wanted. It was a time of unspeakable suffering and horror for humans.

While you and I probably can't do much materially as far as politics and the socio-economic state of the world, we can do other things, such as attune ourselves to PUL and Light as much as is possible. We can stop getting fooled by and recommending to others, false, hindering, and limiting sources like Seth, ACIM, Robert Bruce, many, many gurus, Paul Selig, etc, etc. We can stop getting taken in by various so called political saviors whom preach change, but promote more of the same since the game is rigged and controlled already.

We can vote with our wallets and put pressure on corporations and government and hit them where it hurts the most. We can support those whom are putting their life and well being on the line for their communities, for the Earth, for human kind in general like those at Standing Rock. We are NOT powerless, especially the more we unite and stand side by side.

But first, you have to become aware, really truly aware, and then, you got to let yourself get real angry about the way things are, and then channel that anger constructively into passion for positive and real, grassroots change. We have to become fearless and speak deeper truth, even if it causes us or others discomfort.

This is the single most important issue facing all of humanity and all humans.

I'll leave you with something that Cayce's guidance outlined about future probabilities and the trend of world movements. This source said that in Russia, must eventually come the hope of the world. Russia right now, and for a number of years, has been constantly demonized, lied and exaggerated about, by the psychopathic plutocrats and the mainstream media they mostly control. Yet, Cayce's guidance cuts through the dark and the twisted lies like a high powered laser. Russia is one of the only nations in the world, that is standing up to the international banksters, the western conglomerate of the military industrial complex, and the powerful governments controlled by the former. This is why the constant propaganda, the constant demonization, the constant misleading by those with a definite agenda--that of a very controlled, one world government.

Russia is literally the only force/nation standing in the way of their goal and full movement towards same. Rather than demonizing this strong nation, we should be thanking them.

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seagull

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #20 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 4:44am

If you believe all that you write here, why is it that you do not write your own book and have your own website? Why do you focus so much attention on this particular site?

Is the thought of a vacation from eternity so threatening? Is the fact that people read books which differ from your own beliefs so threatening?

Are you using this site for your practice run to go out into the world to communicate these ideas? You claim that people have told you to do it in private readings. Why should anyone believe this? Can you prove it?

I think these are reasonable questions to consider. You are welcome to toss them out and continue if you wish.

Best wishes to all.

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Justin

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #21 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 11:03am

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If you believe all that you write here, why is it that you do not write your own book and have your own website? Why do you focus so much attention on this particular site?

Not interested in commercialization nor limelight. This is one of the sites I focus on because it's one of the faster vibratory sites I've come across. I've sensed more helpers in the flesh here than any other place, internet or physical, that I've so far been to. If I can reach these, the hope is that they can reach others. More effect, for less work/effort.

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Is the thought of a vacation from eternity so threatening?

On first glance, there doesn't seem to be much that is off or hindering about such a belief or the promotion of same. Yet, if one digs deeper, there are certain implications involved that are troubling considering the extremity of the situation of this world and it's state.

It reminds me of the nonduality teachings or ACIM where such teachings basically promote, you don't have to worry too much about what's going on in this world. After all, it's just a vacation from eternity. At one point Bruce promoted ACIM.

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Is the fact that people read books which differ from your own beliefs so threatening?

This is not personal at all. It's akin to Yeshua addressing the Pharisees, Sadducee's, Scribes, and their limited beliefs and those that followed and believed them. There are beliefs which by their very nature are hindering/limiting in essence. In this case, Bruce teaches a lot of helpful and constructive things--many of which he got from guidance. I have spoken well of many of these, many times, here and at other places. Imo though, Bruce didn't get the vacation from eternity belief from real guidance, but from the other side. Maybe it is objectively true, but at this cycle, during a time of such extremity, where so much is on the line for this world, it is not a good belief to be putting out there.

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Are you using this site for your practice run to go out into the world to communicate these ideas? You claim that people have told you to do it in private readings.

I operate a lot from intuition. I do know that when the collapse happens, I'll become a lot more active as far as directly communicating in person with folks. Self will be more intune by then. Currently, I work both full time and part time jobs concurrently, that are intense, people centered service jobs, and that doesn't leave me a whole lot of time or energy running around in physical.

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Why should anyone believe this? Can you prove it?

I suppose self could ask Linn, Carolene, and Caryl to come here and publicly vouch for me, but I doubt that will happen. I'm not sure the latter two even remember what they said in their readings anymore. I use to have an audio copy of Caryl's reading--perhaps I could find it and share.

But I've outlined time and time on this site, a combo of methods to help individuals to get past themselves and hindering outer influences. A specific affirmation/intention setting of asking to attune to, communicate with, and get help and direction from only the most spiritually loving, helpful, creative-constructive, and aware sources. Then I have said, practicing some of Bruce's techniques in combo with this, such as remembering the feeling of Love (and I would add also gratitude) helps to raise one's vibes enough to be able to perceive these very, very fast vibratory and expanded consciousnesses.

One can ask the above about this self. I'm not yet pure like them, and still am to some extent a "mixed bag" like 99.9999% of humans. Most of this is because I'm connected to a dense, human animal body which has "body ego" built in. This is not totally surmountable until a Soul fully disengages from such a body. But this is preparation for later, for when self overcomes the flesh as much as in possible when in human form, and perhaps re-creates a body form from Spirit Consciousness.

On a personal note, I would ask you, how did listening to Dr. Everywhere make you feel? Do you think that someone who experienced this at 4, and then whom started later intensely seeking God, the Oneness, Love, reincarnation, the really big questions and whom started meditating at 13, is someone whom didn't come here for a deeper, guidance type purpose? Or do I have to "prove" that as well? How could I "prove" that? Isn't there consistent deeper, holistic wisdom in the things I've talked about here?

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I think these are reasonable questions to consider. You are welcome to toss them out and continue if you wish.

And so we get to the crux of the issue. Discernment and deeper discrimination should ALWAYS be applied to outer sources, especially those who claim some kind of spiritual authority. If you and other humans were as diligent as questioning and applying same to sources like Seth and others, as you are to me, then guidance in the flesh and nonphysical, would have a much easier job and need to interact and intervene much less in this world. But instead, most human prefer to listen to voices not best for their and others spiritual growth. Hence the continued stuckness and deeply suffering nature of this world.

This truth is self evident, is it not? The ironic thing here is that a real teacher, someone who came here from close to the core of Source is trying to facilitate awareness, and because he stirs up your unconscious shadow, you're not inclined to listen to nor more deeply consider the truth he speaks. Again, Plato's allegory of The Cave is sadly apropos here.

It's the same thing that Yeshua experienced with his fellow humans. The difference was that he was so intune when publicly teaching that he had such mastery over the physical reality, and did "miracle" after miracle, and that's the ONLY reason why as many people listened to him as did. Not because they were accurately intuitive or clear enough to know who and what he was, but because they were dazzled by the effects. Many still either ignored, disliked, or outright hated him despite that. Well, to be honest, some knew him for who he was. This was mostly the younger children whom were not yet corrupted by the world and their bodies.

This too, parallels my experience. I work with children, and they react much differently to this odd human than do most adults. Younger children see me for what and how I truly am, because many of their hearts are still open and intuitive. For example, I had a very intelligent and sensitive 2nd grader ask me in all seriousness one time, "Are you magic?". I regularly get drive by huggings. I joke and laugh with these little ones much, and they love me because they know I see the best in them and know them beyond their forms.

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Best wishes to all.

Even to this self whom stirs up your shadow uncomfortably, whom challenges you, whom has questioned and discriminated sources you like, such as Seth/Jane Roberts?

I'll wryly note that we had a pretty fast honeymoon... I'll explain, you said recently on one of the threads I started, where I shared the above song, something like, after listening to this, I'll forever be your fan and groupie.

As I told you then, I don't want fans, groupies, or to be put on any kind of pedestal. The only thing I ask is that people more deeply consider my words about what's going on in this world and what we need to do to change things for the better. I sincerely want and ask that people actually meditate in the manner that I've outlined time and time again here. This is why I came here, to bring awareness to these issues.

It is about the suckiest assignment/job you can imagine, where most people shoot the messenger and don't even listen to the message. On a personal and personality level, I would have rather have had the job/assignment that Bruce Moen got. It's a nice, pleasant job, where people tend to speak nice of and to you, because you saying pleasant, feel good things.

I mean, what humans want to hear about a powerful, psychopathic ET group that has manipulated humanity in many ways, on many levels, towards their own ends, for thousands and thousands of years? What humans want to hear about a psychopathic group of plutocrats whom are moving the world in the direction of a very controlled and negative one world government that they have total control of? What humans want to hear about a collapse that is divinely orchestrated to keep the latter former from happening?

Understandably, not too many, because these are hard, uncomfortable truths. Expanded guidance chose helpers with a lot of inner strength and a certain amount of stubbornness to come here and talk about such issues, because they knew, not many could handle such an assignment and stay sane or positive when the natives get restless and throw stones and spears in their direction.

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2017 at 12:23pm

Related to what you asked about me Seagull: Perhaps Bruce will chime in. I took Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge Course, which for this time, was hosted at his house. I liked Bruce and his wife very much. Bruce can attest that during this class, I got some definite hits on some of the things that could be verified.

What most people here don't know is that some time after this meeting (about a half or year or so later? I'm really not good on sense of time or driving directions), since we were planning on visiting my grandparents in FL, I contacted Bruce and said that Becky and I were coming down again to FL and asked did they have any interest in meeting up.

To be honest, I didn't even really expect a reply. But Bruce invited us over to have Christmas evening dinner. Both Caryl and and Carolene were there as well for the dinner--though they didn't consciously know it, one of them realized that I was the young man that they had done a reading for a year or two earlier. A couple days later, we hung out with Bruce and his wife at the beach.

We enjoyed our time with Bruce, family and friends. Meeting people in person is a little different than interacting with people over the I-net.

I've also met Vicky and Albert in person. You can ask Bruce, Albert, and Vicky if they got a sense that I was a negative, deeply troubled person. They're all intuitive beyond the average.

I have deep respect for Bruce and his work, as well as Bob Monroe and his work. I consider them both helpers in the flesh. But I no longer put them, or any other human besides Yeshua-He/She, on any kind of pedestal. I try to take a balanced approach to people like Bruce, Bob, and others. I look for the good, the constructive, what is true, and I also note what intuition or guidance tells me is off. I question, I discriminate, I discern.

Most of the latter, I don't tend to speak about, not unless it comes to something that I feel intuitively is important to address. For Bob, it was primarily diet and his overly fixed belief of "non interference" (which clearly doesn't match to Yeshua's life and interaction with others).

I've always been considered rather strange by the majority of my fellow humans, even since I was young. I don't expect that to change now that our bodies are older. I try not to, and usually don't take it too personal, but it comes to people like Bruce, I tend to feel a little more like, "well, shouldn't they know better?" which is why I brought up his friends' readings for me to him. I don't think he was aware of what they had said. Generally good intuitive's have a policy similar to good counselors and psychologists where they don't discuss too much about a person's private reading.

Since the readings were for me, of course I can discuss it openly if I want to. I suppose I could be making it all up, but do you or others really get a sense that this personality is insincere, dishonest, and prone to lying? Certainly I have things to work on, but honesty/sincerity is not even close to being one of the things I need to improve on.

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Justin Ex Member	Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2017 at 6:18pm I looked for the audio copy of Caryl's reading for me. I couldn't find it. I had the reading 6 years ago (see below link), and since then have changed computers, email accounts and apparently didn't copy it anywhere. http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1300070418
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Justin Ex Member	Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2017 at 12:50am Re: what I was talking about earlier, these are some excerpts from the E.C. readings. There are some other links on that site which are worth looking at as well. http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/cayce/3.html
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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2017 at 2:44pm

Perhaps related to all of this is the following page? I'm new to this person and his site, but recently was reading some of it. One article seemed very related to what I've been talking about on this thread. He even addresses it within the Cayce context and labeling system of "Sons of Belial".

http://www.thomastwin.com/27%20A%20Belial.html

One thing I would add to the above linked article, is that in my view, the Sons of Belial are kind of loose organization of Souls in conscious rebellion to Source, the Oneness of the Whole, and Love. It's made up of former psychopathic human connected Souls, the Reptilians, the original anti-retriever, and perhaps other ET groups I'm not yet aware of. Basically, they are the lacking in ethics and Love, very negative bullies of the Uni/multiverse. Having so little conscious connection to Source, they are not powerful in a true sense, but they are powerful in the sense that they can strongly influence people if people let them or remain unconscious to their influence. Their collectivity also strengthens their directed intent and affect (the whole strength in numbers adage).

Conversely, there is a kind of loose organization of Souls and Disks that consciously serve Source and the Light, and whom are intune with Love and care about the Whole and the Oneness of same. This group is made up of former and current humans, and many other groups from outside of this local consciousness system (represented by the Solar system in the physical sense). This organization is trying to free humans, and work towards all Souls becoming more fully conscious of their Oneness with Source and the Whole. When these were in human form, back in Atlantis and later, Cayce referred to them as the Children of the Law of One or just the Children of the Light. His guidance also refers to them as the White Brotherhood (meaning Souls of or near the White Light state of consciousness), but more so when they are nonphysical.

We of the latter group would like nothing better than to retrieve all those in the former group. But many of them are "hard cases" similar to what Bruce talked about. They are hard to reach, are very insular, and very self deluded. On a deep, deep unconscious level, they fear the Light, because deep down they know they are in the wrong, and that if they woke up to who and what they are truly, that they would have to go through a difficult period of rebalancing their debts aka "karma". It seems the easier path for them to just stay stuck in negativity and continue with the same old, same old, that some have been doing for eons and eons.

But when you've existed in a certain way for eons and eons, and getting worse in those ways, and you observe a lot of creation and movement in that time, you start to get real clever and manipulative, and learn how to use any little fear, insecurity, or personal weakness of a person against them. According to Yeshua, and him addressing the incarnated Sons of Belial that were among the Pharisees, Sadducee's and Scribes (for these always gravitate to positions of power, wealth, and authority in the world), some of these would not escape destruction if they didn't change their ways.

This reminds me of the consciousness "recycling" that Cayce, Bruce Moen, and Tom Campbell have talked about, where a Soul becomes so negative and lacking in connection to Light/Love/Source that they end up destroying themselves. Campbell also says that the Big Cheese, the individual in charge of the consciousness growth in this larger system, has the ability to enact this recycling and on rare occasion, has done so.

But I feel that the Light does everything they can to reach these lost ones before this takes place. This is one of the more difficult and non pleasant truths that Bruce Moen has addressed, so I should amend some of my statements about communicating about pleasant, feel good things. This truth is not a pleasant, feel good one at all.

In between these extremes and polar opposites of pure Light and extreme lack of Light, is the average human Soul--most of whom are trying to grow towards the Light. There are many, many, many, almost countless numbers of levels in between these extremes or opposite ends of the consciousness spectrum. Many are more towards the middle than towards either end, but again, most are trying to move towards the pure Light/Love end of the spectrum.

It becomes easier, if you become conscious to the influences and voices of the Son's of Belial, whether they be incarnated as humans, whether they are nonphysical, or whether they are of an ET group. The hope for this conscious awareness, so that people/Souls can free themselves of these outer, hindering influences and thus evolve/mature faster, is what I'm trying to do.

And if any of you have any ideas about how do so, please share! Emphasizing Love and PUL is helpful and a huge part of it, but according to Expanded Guidance, and the guidance I've gotten, the above is not enough--sometimes you have to address the specifics of the situation and bring conscious awareness to that which is unconscious in most humans.

But seriously, if you have any good ideas of how to raise awareness of these issues, I'm open to suggestions. I've thought of writing a book, etc, but I'm not sure if that's enough in and of itself.

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #26 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 12:21pm

Justin, I see that you changed your name to "Sourcelover." I believe this is appropriate. With your lengthy posts, some people might wonder about you. I've met you in person a couple of times and spoke to you on the phone a few times. If there is one thing that seems clear to me, you are very dedicated to God (Source) and the beings who work with him. You understand about having humble feelings towards such beings. When I say this, I don't mean in a meek and worshipful way. It is more of a matter of your understanding that God is like a vast ocean that brought many waves into existence. Each wave is a small portion of God, but definitely not God in his entirety. If it wasn't for the fact that the source of all waves decided to create waves, people like you and me and everybody else wouldn't get to enjoy the great gift of existence.

Because of this later point, you understand about feeling great gratitude towards God. You understand that such gratitude brings you closer to God. You understand this in a balanced way that represents wisdom, not mindless submission.

Because you understand that God and those who work with him have found a way of being that is very wonderful and completely fulfilling, and because you love all beings dearly, you try to help others find the joy, love, peace and perfection that is available, sooner rather than later.

So thank you for taking time to let people know about hindering beings, that seek to prevent people (souls) from finding the great gift that awaits them, sooner, rather than later.

Albert

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Reply #27 - Apr 8^th, 2017 at 12:58pm

Lol, well self doesn't hold a candle to "Ah So", or Bruce Moen in person in the verbose area. Cheesy

(I say that with heart centered humor and affection to both of these fellow helpers).

But yes, you summarized where I most come from, most of the time, in a nutshell. Occasionally the body ego part of self creeps in, but that's something I've been learning to accept about self and others since we're all connected to these interesting human bodies with their own personalities and tendencies. (which, in astrology, is represented most by the Rising/Ascendant Sign and it's factors, and mine is dramatic, passionate, stubborn, self conscious, leader oriented

Leo

--the sign that rules the heart and spine, can you tell?).

Anyways, I appreciate the appreciation. Thank you as well for similar reasons.

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #28 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:00am

Bruce and I disagree on a lot of things, but I cannot fault him on his capacity to forgive and believe me Bruce showed what a really loving forging person he is, by forgiving me for being over- critical of his life works.

Whatever I might think of Bruce he is a a loving, forgiving and remarkable person.

Alan

The truth remains the truth, no matter what we think the truth is, the truth is the truth regardless

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Re: The "dark side" of the larger consciousness system
Reply #29 - Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:11pm

Alan, I also very much get the sense that Bruce is a good man with a good heart. He is not at the Yeshua level, but that is ok. And so much of what we see that is seemingly negative about each other, is less about us as Souls, but more about these body suits we temporarily connect with and focus through.

I fully expect that when all of us drop these bodies and get into the areas of consciousness that we most naturally reside/vibrate at, most of us will get along A LOT better and more fully see each other for what we really are and are like, free of the distortions that come with focus here in this stuck dimension and through these bodies.

I'm looking forward to some epic Afterlife Knowledge parties in the nonphysical with all of you folks. I love all of you dearly, even the ones I sometimes disagree with strongly.

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