A few points:  I don't plan to explore the belief system territories for these trap structures, ventrices, etc. Note in the question I formulated, I opened it up the past as well.  3rd, there is nothing "glam" about Reptilians.  They were something I was initially quite skeptical of, and for awhile, until my spouse, my friend Albert, and I started to receive messages about them being a reality. Then I noticed mention of them in various different, ancient sources like the Dead Sea Scrolls, the OT, the NT, ancient Babylonian figurines, etc.  I wasn't into Icke or any of the various outer sources that talk about them.  One of the few modern sources I found credible that talked about them is Dr. John E. Mack, but I don't rely on outer sources. 

   I've already told you what I plan to do.  I plan to communicate with the level of consciousness where all the individuals are fully conscious of their Oneness with the Whole and with Source.  Their perception is far beyond my perception, especially when in connection with a human body. There is literally no more expanded perception than theirs, and certainly no Soul connected to a dense, human animal body even comes close.
Monroe's "He/She" is one of them, but his form is no longer an actual dense, human animal form.  It's a thought translation from that Source level of consciousness into physical terms/form. It's "in the world", but "not of it". I trust these Co-Creators more than myself and the accuracy of my own perceptions. This is one area in which I am truly and completely humble.

  I don't always get answers from these or my Expanded self, because sometimes they want me to figure things out for self, use my intuition more, experience a synchronicity with another or others later, etc. But I get direct, immediate answers a fair amount of times.

    I'm not going to ask about you specifically, just going to ask about this alleged trap etc that use to exist until you and your team allegedly unplugged it. I don't really need to do anything more.   

Re: my previous quote, I already told you that I thought you were referring to humans.  What I said does  relate to almost all humans.  One exception is the individual that Bob Monroe met and called He/She. 

Otherwise, the Co-Creator/Source level, perception wise is far, far, far beyond humans in our current cycle.  This is not opinion, belief, or the like but objective fact. 

Reading all these back and forth posts, it reminds me of the "fake news" so much we hear about these days. Truth doesn't matter because there's another agenda at play.

In these posts the agenda is obvious. A person (M) wants an audience. M is clever. He knows how to get it and, at least so far, keep it. He does this in two ways. First, he claims he has information that is so unknown and obscure (except for him and his select group) that tosses the bait in the water. Then he gets his audience hooked. And he gets his entertainment.

Second, he knows he needs credibility. That's why he invents "others" with whom he's working. One is in physical form, others are not. He needs a team. Makes for a better story and tends to reinforce the story's credibility.

I agree with Albert. None of this rings true. It's not a question of a word here and there. It works in the beginning but falls apart over time. It's not for nothing that we have God given intuition. It's just that not all of us use it.

My recommendation is that Albert and Justin just ignore M. He's almost out of gas anyway. Let him find another forum. Gullible people are everywhere.

R

  Hi Rondele,

  I mostly agree with you and especially so about the intention/motivation of the poster in question.  This is why a number of pages back I wrote something like, "nm, I'd just be playing into the game." 

But I thought about it some more and I figured even if someone was playing us, that the discussion likely had some value anyways.  The White Light as a trap is unfortunately a real theory and belief out there that some folks sincerely believe in.  If folks with such beliefs happen to peruse this site and see this thread, maybe the points made will help them to think differently about it. 

 

I don't think Morrighan is volu etc.

Morrighan,is this your site?

http://www.morrighanstarlight.com/

Albert- thanks for posting the NDE link. I don't recall having read it before but it's possible. It's certainly powerful.

Justin- yes, there may be a legitimate concern. It was more the messenger than the message. To me it was so transparent I felt compelled to speak up.

R
ps- Albert, is there some reason you keep feminizing my handle? When I joined the forum about 16 years ago, I chose my favorite cheese at the time. The secret is now out.

https://presidentcheese.com/cheese_category/cheese-spreads/

Regarding the white light trap, some people, other than Morrighan, claim that they are dismantling it. It doesn't seem as if they are speaking of the same thing as Morrighan. Therefore, there are supposedly two ways in which people are forced to reincarnate, and it wasn't until some people came along that such traps were stopped.

A man on youtube claims that the matrix is a game we chose to partake in, and we agree to be "forced" to reincarnate over and over again.  Does that mean that we agreed to be forced to reincarnate, until people who claim to dismantle such things come along?



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Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 5:36pm:


It is my site and I hold sole ownership and responsibility. This is also off-topic. If you wish to continue these detours I urge you to begin a new thread where you can demonstrate your mastery of PUL (pure unconditional love).

These posts are off topic? Dude asked about false light, Morrighan  mentioned something similar, and people discussed whether such a thing makes sense.

I believe it is a shame that these posts were moved, because  I didn't write them for my own sake, I was trying to be helpful for anyone who might be considering the false light thing that supposedly forces many people to reincarnate. When such information is presented in varied and questionable ways, perhaps it should be discussed.

Please, can the good intentions of others please be considered?

Hi all,

I haven't been keeping up on here regularly, sorry.  I tried playing catch-up on the White Light Trap thread and it made my head spin!     

The reason Bruce cut and pasted just the off-topic posts (and I'm glad he did) was to obviously keep things on topic and neat and tidy. 

Justin, I don't know what was going on with you not being able to log on/access the site but I don't think anything nefarious was going on.  Next time you have a tech issue let Allan know in the tech support forum.  And if you can't get on to do it, as in the case you just experienced, you could contact me via email and I'll be happy to pass the info on.  I always love being of help any way I can.

Rondele, I just now got your cheese comment.   

And finally, I'm glad this site is still going and it's nice to see some of the old group still having conversations. 

Vicky

It must be an outside problem, not someone of authority silently banning you.  Bruce wouldn't do that.

About the white light trap issue, do you mean the belief that ETs are capable of and are fooling people when they die, using the light as a lure?  I can only speak for myself and my own experience and belief.  I fully and completely trust my own experiences because I've had so many astounding experiences and can't say that anything truly scary has happened to me.  I've always felt a sense of guidance and protection.  When I had my near-death experience it was all loving.  I wanted to stay there, fully aware that it meant I'd be leaving my two young children behind. To me it was a ludicrous idea to go back, but I was told to go back and then was pulled (forced) back.  Now that I think about it--thanks for making me realize this--I fully believe and know now that I don't have to worry about being stuck when I die.  I know it's rare to be stuck, but when I think of all the feelings and frustrations I have in this life, I sometimes think of how easy it would be to be stuck, you know?

  Yep, was blocked again.   

  But no one is doing it--it's just somehow spontaneously happening.  Perhaps a spontaneous computer virus that only ever applies to this site. 

  Truly, we live in times of strange miracles.

suv wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:


Most NDEs have similar aspects to them.  I found a list created by IANDS from many, many reported NDEs.  It was neat to see that I had many of those on the list in my NDE.

But NDEs are so varied when it comes to the deeper aspects...the reason why it happened, where the person was in their beliefs and spiritual development, etc. 

I know that during my NDE, although what I was experiencing was exceptionally incredible, I still was only experiencing a small perspective of a much bigger picture.  I knew that there was so much more of my Being that I wasn't even fully aware of from the perspective I was in at the moment...but I knew it existed.  From my own experience, my best explanation for why people are sent back seemingly against their will is because we do not always know what's best for us.  It's like, as a child if my parents had allowed me to eat nothing but cakes and cookies (which is what I thought I wanted) instead of forcing me to eat vegetables against my will, well then that would not have had a good outcome for me.  Looking back now as an adult (from a much broader perspective of who I really am compared to who I was as a child) I can see that I am so happy I wasn't just given what I thought I wanted. 

There are reports of NDEs where people were given a choice and they chose to come back.  And we must logically assume therefore that some people who had NDEs were also given a choice and chose to stay!  Of course, we don't get to hear of those do we. 

When I was forced back I was SO angry.  I can still remember how mad I was.  But now, I'm so happy I was made to come back.  There's a reason, even if we don't know what the reasons are from our limited perspective here. 

I've read a lot of NDE accounts, and it seems as if returning always served a positive purpose. Sometimes the purpose for returning was something as simple as taking care of the children a person left behind.

Another reason for returning, a big reason, is sharing what was experienced with other people.

Returnees tell people about the importance of living according to love. They let people know that there is much more to reality than this world, and there is much to look forward to after their life here in this world is completed.

Many near death experiencers go through an extensive life review, and after they return they end up being better people than they were before they had their NDE. It is hard to imagine why a malevolent being would effect such a change. I doubt that a malevolent being could play a part in a person experiencing a life review that is very honest, detailed, and life changing.

When I had an experience that was like an NDE, I felt like I was in the place that I truly belonged. Yet I am here, and I am okay with this, because there are ways in which I can be helpful while here. Yet, I also wish that I was where I truly belong. This is how it is when a person is aware of what life in this world is like, and what life is like in a love-based realm. A person lives according two conflicting desires. So I understand why many NDErs didn't want to return, but did so anyway. If they consider the matter from their higher self perspective, they understand why they chose to return. It isn't as if they will be here for long, when compared to the eternity of their soul.

When I become impatient to return to the light, my higher self will create a dream that helps me remember why I am here. Such dreams are presented in a way where I have a choice, and I choose to stay. In fact, if I was urged to return, I would beg to stay, so I can continue to help. Ways of helping, I have a mother in her 80s that needs my help. I help with retrievals. There are other ways that I help.  Since I am able to help now in ways that I won't be able to help years from now, it is best that I stay here.

Regarding the Tibetan Book of the Dead, I haven't read it since the early 1980s and don't remember it well. I'm familiar with Tibetan Buddhism, it has its shortcomings, and I wouldn't make the mistake of concluding that a related text is infallible. There are two main types of Buddhism, Mahayana and Therevaden, and they disagree with each other about some key points.

Perhaps one way to insure that you return to a place of love and integrity after you die, is to live according to those qualities as much as you can, while you are in this world. That way, you will have a tendency to gravitate to a similar realm after you die.



suv wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 12:52pm:

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2017 at 11:32am:


Seldom do I see religious institutions revise their teachings once determined to be in error. The normal course is to double down. Typically this means blaming the student for being insufficiently faithful.

Vicky wrote on Jun 28^th, 2017 at 1:05pm:

Regarding beings being furious, as I said earlier, I've read a lot of NDE accounts, and not one mentioned that furious beings forced them to come back.

Ranelle Wallace had an NDE where she met a man she knew while in this world, and for him it was decided that he wouldn't return to this world because he was drug dealer, he was harming himself and others, and it was best that he didn't return to this world.

It is important to remember that when it comes to NDEs, we only hear about the people for which it was decided that they should come back, we don't hear about the people that don't come back.

Which brings us back to the essential problems of the mis-translated Tibetan Book of the Dead, more accurately translated as the Book of Between States.

What I personally find -as opposed to what I read (such as NDE accounts) is we all have access to all the (alleged) benefits of death right here and NOW. Of course if you (general you) wish to wait a lifetime, then that's your choice.

The tale of my client is illustrative of this. But first, what is she a client for? She is a client of mine. We did an "energy exchange". Another way to say that in 3D terms is we exchanged my time and professional services for her Euros.* Such an arrangement is widely held in many worlds to be agreeable.

To enlarge upon this: her greater multidimensional self is, within the scope of her own reference prisms, a "graduate professor" of embodiment. Which is to say she has "students" who exist in some dimensions we might call "the between states" (afterlife, though that's a massive distortion). The lesson she presents to her students is her present life.

As the multidimensional being she is, it is not much of a difficulty to simultaneously "live a life" and conduct a class. She also does other things on other reference prisms. These are some of the good things about multidimensionality. Bad things? Depends on your point of view. It brings with it a considerable amount of personal responsibility.

Her students in "class" observe, take notes &c &c on "Earth Life", even though it is considerably more complex than that. Some students are also simultaneously present in class and life. These are graduate studies, right. You (general you) don't get a job like hers at the afterlife temp agency, hey? She is an extremely evolved being, and is what we would call tenured.

None of this means she eats magical rainbow sno-cones as she surfs afterlife Netflix. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

As to why did she come to me? We help each other, yes? As I said, ours is an equitable exchange. And so it may be well understood, both she and I are down with a wee pint over traditional Irish music in a traditional pub. Okay, I drank the Guinness, she had whiskey.* We're people too, on at least one reference prism.

* and she tipped generously as well 
** there is no correlation between spirituality and abstinence when we embody "here". None that I observe.