Vicky wrote on Sep 7^th, 2016 at 10:33am:


In my last post, I made no reference to religion all I suggested that we should be seekers of truth!

As far as everyone to their own I disagree with that logic of yours, "Jeffrey Dahmer to his own murdered young men and ate them."

There must somewhere be an absolute truth and absolute morality

As far as retrievals go I simply cannot believe that, we mortal cannot retrieve a lost soul when we are imperfect and lost ourselves.

Alan

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Yes I agree.  I hope I didn't sound like I was implying that I "do" retrievals or that that's a superior skill.  I didn't mean that.  I agree with you.

Oh, not at all, Vicky. The term "do" is frequently used and I wanted to clarify my own conception of what happens. I was just responding to what I perceived as Alan's idea that a human being might not be able to help for the reason of not being "pure" enough. The process does require a suspension of disbelief, an ability to trust in it. Not everyone can do this nor should they feel they need to do it if it causes them any kind of distress.

Also, you once described how you see things during a retrieval and it sounds very similar to my own experience, a feeling of a sort of grainy darkishness in which various scenes appear and interactions occur but some of the details are more sensed than seen. I don't know if anyone else has the experience of vivid color, but I don't.

I haven't been on here much lately. 

I'll go visit the dream forum and look at your "Mom" dreams.   

I've been writing out my dreams and keeping them in a binder for many years.

Alan,

You've brought up this topic in more than one thread...so what's your point?  You obviously feel very strongly and passionately about this topic of evil.  Yes you can believe whatever you like.  I have said before that I agree with that.  I'm not trying to change you.  I'm trying to join into a discussion like some friends sitting around a table having a nice conversation, and the way you're behaving makes me want to just get up and leave the table. 

You say I don't have the authority to retrieve someone and say I’m delusional to believe it.  So here’s a fun challenge for you...Have you read Bruce Moen's books?  Have you tried doing retrievals yourself?  I'd really be interested in hearing what your experiences are with that.  A discussion about personal experiences is far more interesting to me. 

Just because I don’t have all the answers to every situation in this world doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t trust my own experiences.  I believe what I experience with my own conscious awareness because it’s not possible for me to experience anything in any other way.  To do so would be like asking me to think with someone else’s brain, or to use someone else’s body. 

Hi friends. I had to re-register to get back here. My name is Tim F. I left because of  Christian  folks acting in a less than compassionate way  towards anything that didn't fit in with their belief-system.  I''m here now. The  actual point of this forum,  the true intention of it,  is in my blood.  I actually  hate talking about spiritual  matters. Talk is cheap. Tell me what you've done with your hands.  And .....

Regarding retrievals, and for anybody who might believe that it is something the Robert Monroe school came up with, below are excerpts from a 1960 book called “The Study and Practice of Astral Projection” by Dr. Robert Crookall. The book speaks of numerous OBEs people have had.

Case No. 113 – Mrs Phyllis Fischer says the following on page 114.

“On a “subsequent occasion, I was taken by a guide into the dark regions. It was exactly like Dante’s Inferno-people groped in darkness, scarcely discernible as human beings. I have since done much Rescue Work in these regions.

Pages 39-42 speak of case 43, Mme d’Eserance
First she experienced a higher level of being, and then she experienced beings that are in lower realms. Too many words to type, here are some of them.

“My interest in the mysterious dream-life drew me…near to a misty cloud-like region in which one felt stifled and cramped, as though the atmosphere had become close, thick and substantial. A feeling of almost fear and anxiety oppressed me, and I felt a desire to escape for the sense of heaviness which was gradually closing in. Yet the desire to learn was stronger and I combated the instinct which would lead to clearer air and freedom. [Discarnate communicators from “Paradise conditions say that, in order to contact people in lower conditions (including those in physical embodiment) and the earthbound (in the body-veil, delayed in Hades conditions), they must attune themselves by lowering their vibration. This process tends to reduce their consciousness from the clear, bright and intense super-normal type to the somewhat dreamy and confused sub-normal type, while the environment tends to no longer be bright and clear but more or less misty, foggy etc. (in extreme case dark). Thus, those who come from Paradise conditions to help either the earthbound or mortals find the process neither easy nor pleasant: they say some at some cost.]”

The words within brackets come from the book’s author rather than the experiencer. It makes sense to me that beings at a higher level of being might have some difficulty making contact with lower energy levels. They would need to change a part of their energy in order to do so. Going by how my retrieval experiences seem, I make contact with a higher level of being and lower levels at the same time. My connection to a higher level enables me to provide cleansing energy to a being that needs assistance. On some occasions I feel the negative energy that a lower level being has, and the more this being gets cleansed the more I experience love and peace.

Regarding retrieving aspects of self: it seems as if I have done so.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3403803849.html

Actually "rescue" is a more relevant term.  To retrieve someone or something is to bring them back from where they came.

To free souls who are unable to find their way is more accurately described as a rescue.

R