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Study from the UK supports the afterlife
May 17^th, 2016 at 9:23am

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientist...

This study including a documented case of an OOBE from someone clinically dead for several minutes.

Interestingly, 40% of patients who were without a heartbeat felt they had some form of consciousness, and for about half the patients there was great fear involved in the experience. Only 2% of patients recalled a lucid OOBE. It was felt that many more patients had awareness but lost the memory upon being resuscitated. Half the patients, unfortunately, described the awareness as a fearful experience, but that is understandable. And one documented case confirmed numerous verifications that a man without a heartbeat was aware of what took place in the hospital for minutes afterward.

Now of course many know my feelings that consciousness is primary, and physicality is secondary. And one can come up with explanations why a person could be aware without blood flow or a pulse. Perhaps neurons could be in "hibernation" mode so that the brain did not suffer massive necrosis (death of cells). Perhaps in hibernation mode awareness at some level is possible. But it still wouldn't explain how the body was "hearing" or "seeing" would occurred around the patient. Without blood flow to the eyes or ears, those sensory systems would be unavailable during those three minutes.

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Re: Study from the UK supports the afterlife
Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2016 at 9:34am

The famous "Aware" study. I followed it quite thoroughly since it started and found the concept very good. Doctor Parnia is one of the people who have to be very careful to be still taken seriously, which is clearly his intent. I believe he succeeded quite well.

As far as I understood, he states that the findings are inconclusive as regards true "out of the body" experiences. They tried to put pictures in ERs, in inaccessible places, in the hopes someone would see them while under cardiac arrest and proove that they left their bodies. Unfortunately, true OBEs that are also fully remembered seem to be exeedingly rare.

Mind you, I think it has not been proved that this means they do not happen more often. It could "simply" be a memory issue, since memory is very tampered with through all the medication you get while being resusciated.

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Re: Study from the UK supports the afterlife
Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2016 at 1:06pm

Good stuff. For other 'NDE-positive' work worth checking out cardiologist Pim van Lommel (http://www.pimvanlommel.nl/home_eng), Dr Peter Fenwick, Senior Lecturer at the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College, London(http://iands.org/research/nde-research/important-research-articles/42-dr-peter-f...) and Dr Penny Sartori (http://iands.org/research/nde-research/important-research-articles/80-penny-sart...).

Interesting that the article was presented in the tabloid Daily Express (the other one which articles like this appear in is the Daily Mail) don't think any 'serious' newspaper e.g Guardian would touch it, at least not before discrediting it. Is it the same in the US media?

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Re: Study from the UK supports the afterlife
Reply #3 - May 18^th, 2016 at 10:20am

DocM wrote on May 17^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientist...

This study including a documented case of an OOBE from someone clinically dead for several minutes.

Interestingly, 40% of patients who were without a heartbeat felt they had some form of consciousness, and for about half the patients there was great fear involved in the experience. Only 2% of patients recalled a lucid OOBE. It was felt that many more patients had awareness but lost the memory upon being resuscitated. Half the patients, unfortunately, described the awareness as a fearful experience, but that is understandable. And one documented case confirmed numerous verifications that a man without a heartbeat was aware of what took place in the hospital for minutes afterward.

Now of course many know my feelings that consciousness is primary, and physicality is secondary. And one can come up with explanations why a person could be aware without blood flow or a pulse. Perhaps neurons could be in "hibernation" mode so that the brain did not suffer massive necrosis (death of cells). Perhaps in hibernation mode awareness at some level is possible. But it still wouldn't explain how the body was "hearing" or "seeing" would occurred around the patient. Without blood flow to the eyes or ears, those sensory systems would be unavailable during those three minutes.

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During August 2011 I went into an almost fatal state of total AV heart bock, (My heart stopped) and was clinically dead and was resuscitated after much effort by cardiologists. I now have a heart pacemaker keeping me alive and am on borrowed time.

I did experience something such as going into a comfortable dark void, as well as a few other events?

Alan

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