Conversation Board - On the pursuit of perfection

Justin

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #15 - Apr 19^th, 2016 at 7:39pm

Perhaps Seagull, but it also seems like a fair question considering the belief she is outlining. I would place bets that she knows that teaching and saying attributed to Yeshua by the gospel writers.

If there is a contradiction between what he teaches and taught, and what Ginny is outlining, then it's fair to ask her if she thinks she is more aware and wiser than that one.

What i perceive as PUL type Love, is not all hugs, softness, and gentleness. Sometimes it is direct, confrontational, and asks hard questions.

I've had my guidance do that with me a number of times. A good example in an outer source, is Bob Monroe, Rosalind McKnight and her guidance. Both Bob and Rosie had been repeatedly told about the importance of diet and health on the process of attuning to more expanded states in a consistent sense.

They didn't seem to listen. At one point, the guidance team point blank said, if you continue to disregard this important aspect completely, we will have to stop working with you in this manner.

Did Rosie's guidance not "love" Rosie and Bob? Quite the contrary, but they needed some more firmness and more Yang attuned Love at that moment. Ginny i sense, is an older Soul, and can take a little straight talk. As Alysia picked up in a partnered exploration about me, my role is one of "taskmaster" and directing group energies.

And it is very limiting and potentially harmful to others to promote beliefs that strongly imply there is no such thing as spiritual error, nor the need for correction. That is only true, until one has regenerated/transformed all selfishness and separative tendencies within.

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seagull Ex Member	Re: On the pursuit of perfection Reply #16 - Apr 19^th, 2016 at 8:57pm R- Beats me. (slaps knee)
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Justin

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #17 - Apr 19^th, 2016 at 10:56pm

rondele wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Alan, it's part new age terminology and part affectation. Don't let it get to you. Since you know which posters get you upset, just ignore them. That's what I do.

R

Again you assume you know the heart and inner intentions/motivations of others. All this time i've been thinking of and calling you Rondele, when really i should have been referring to you as the 2nd coming. Wink

But i guess the above indirectly answers the question i asked of you earlier, apparently ad hominem is your modus operandi and overall pattern, especially lately.

That doesn't bother me, but what does kind of bother me is you egging on others that currently have a lack of control and centerdness. That is quite immature, unethical, and borderline sick.

That really does say a lot about you--specific actions like that speak much louder than using words/vocabulary like Source. You're using and manipulating someone who doesn't know better and who is acutely suffering, for your own twisted ends.

A question that comes to mind--you have talked about how you have been here since the earliest days, yet, occasionally you say things like exploring the afterlife is a fool's errand.

You also occasionally say things like this, Quote:

"Although I attended one of Bruce's workshops and participated in the exercises, I didn't feel comfortable doing it and I personally don't think he should encourage others to do so. Not to disparage his motives, just to say that it's not without its dangers given the wide diversity of the attendees and the law of unintended consequences."

This site is all about the Afterlife, exploring it, and communicating with guidance. That's mostly what all of Bruce's books are about too. If you so completely disagree with Bruce's very intent, and general philosophy, and often seem to engage in personal put downs and ad hominem attacks of others here, rather than actually debating things based on logic...well, this begs the question of what the hey are you doing around here?

That's kind of like me hanging around a fundamentalist Christian site for many years, even though i think they're partially or mostly deluded, or a KKK site. Kind of pointless, and both a waste of my time and their time.

Doesn't seem like this is the place for your interests and focus. Perhaps you should go to a Swedenborg forum where everyone also thinks that exploring the afterlife, etc is a fool's errand, and fraught with extreme dangers that one can't even articulate or describe because one has little to no direct experience (what a conundrum that one eh Grin

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Course you won't reply, because you can't answer logically in an internally consistent or holistic way. Just as i know you won't actually debate the issue of 9/11 with me. You can only refer to me indirectly like a coward would.

A big man, with his big and plentiful guns. You macho, bully types are quite predictable.

My guess is that you are or were a cop, or Federal agent of some kind. And like a good number within those professions, a real control freak type, that likes power and authority over others, but more sly and subtle than the average one.

I called you out once before, some years back, and showed how you were two faced and not particularly sincere, and i wasn't the only one that picked up on that, even gentle Romaine spoke up after i did so. It was one of the few times that i ever saw Romaine speak in such a manner about others here. But he was intuitive enough to know an insincere, two faced type when he interacted with one.

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Rondele

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #18 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 8:34am

First, who are you today? Justin, Justin2710, Justin aka Vasya, a channel, etc? And how many times have you left and then rejoined the forum? Why the numerous handles? From whom are you hiding? Different names but the same mentality. You can run but you cannot hide.

All of the paranoid explanations of 9/11 have been thoroughly debunked by objective sources, including Scientific American. For me to debate with someone who is clearly mentally unbalanced is pointless. You troll the internet, find some equally twisted French author who spins fairy tales about 9/11, and since it fits your narrative, you latch onto it like it's manna from heaven.

Why not do something you folks shy away from, and get a job and contribute something meaningful to society. I know that's anathema to your socialistic mentality, but maybe you can gain some appreciation for those of us who do work and provide the means for you to have so much leisure time to indulge your childish fantasies.

R

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #19 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 9:32am

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rondele wrote on Apr 19^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Alan, it's part new age terminology and part affectation. Don't let it get to you. Since you know which posters get you upset, just ignore them. That's what I do.

R

Again you assume you know the heart and inner intentions/motivations of others. All this time i've been thinking of and calling you Rondele, when really i should have been referring to you as the 2nd coming. Wink

But i guess the above indirectly answers the question i asked of you earlier, apparently ad hominem is your modus operandi and overall pattern, especially lately.

That doesn't bother me, but what does kind of bother me is you egging on others that currently have a lack of control and centerdness. That is quite immature, unethical, and borderline sick.

That really does say a lot about you--specific actions like that speak much louder than using words/vocabulary like Source. You're using and manipulating someone who doesn't know better and who is acutely suffering, for your own twisted ends.

A question that comes to mind--you have talked about how you have been here since the earliest days, yet, occasionally you say things like exploring the afterlife is a fool's errand.

You also occasionally say things like this, Quote:

"Although I attended one of Bruce's workshops and participated in the exercises, I didn't feel comfortable doing it and I personally don't think he should encourage others to do so. Not to disparage his motives, just to say that it's not without its dangers given the wide diversity of the attendees and the law of unintended consequences."

This site is all about the Afterlife, exploring it, and communicating with guidance. That's mostly what all of Bruce's books are about too. If you so completely disagree with Bruce's very intent, and general philosophy, and often seem to engage in personal put downs and ad hominem attacks of others here, rather than actually debating things based on logic...well, this begs the question of what the hey are you doing around here?

That's kind of like me hanging around a fundamentalist Christian site for many years, even though i think they're partially or mostly deluded, or a KKK site. Kind of pointless, and both a waste of my time and their time.

Doesn't seem like this is the place for your interests and focus. Perhaps you should go to a Swedenborg forum where everyone also thinks that exploring the afterlife, etc is a fool's errand, and fraught with extreme dangers that one can't even articulate or describe because one has little to no direct experience (what a conundrum that one eh Grin

)

Course you won't reply, because you can't answer logically in an internally consistent or holistic way. Just as i know you won't actually debate the issue of 9/11 with me. You can only refer to me indirectly like a coward would.

A big man, with his big and plentiful guns. You macho, bully types are quite predictable.

My guess is that you are or were a cop, or Federal agent of some kind. And like a good number within those professions, a real control freak type, that likes power and authority over others, but more sly and subtle than the average one.

I called you out once before, some years back, and showed how you were two faced and not particularly sincere, and i wasn't the only one that picked up on that, even gentle Romaine spoke up after i did so. It was one of the few times that i ever saw Romaine speak in such a manner about others here. But he was intuitive enough to know an insincere, two faced type when he interacted with one.

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Rondele

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #20 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 10:53am

I'm quite sure Justin belongs to other forums, no doubt one of them being an anarchist site. Years ago, in his "a channel" identity, he included his picture on his postings.

You'll never guess who he implied he resembled.

And this is the person who wants me to debate with him. That would be tantamount to debating with someone who insists the moon landing was actually done on a remote place on the New Mexico desert. I'd have to be as demented as he is to agree to that.

Enough Justin. I'm done with you. Say what you want, you won't get any response from me. Soon enough others will catch onto you and they can engage with you if they wish.

R

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Justin

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Re: On the pursuit of perfection
Reply #22 - Apr 20^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

Well, we got quite the trio going here with the Three Caballeros. Matthew was quite correct, birds of a feather do tend to flock together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf2OYnxOeps

But, not particularly happy, unlike the fellows in the video though.

rondele wrote on Apr 20^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

First, who are you today? Justin, Justin2710, Justin aka Vasya, a channel, etc? And how many times have you left and then rejoined the forum? Why the numerous handles? From whom are you hiding? Different names but the same mentality. You can run but you cannot hide.

Roughly about 5 name changes over approximately 10/11 years of being here. But not once have i ever tried to hide my core/basic identity of Justin. Ever read the Bible? In the Bible, a number of the people in same, at some point in their life, during or after a major life cycle, changed their name. For me, it just signifies a different major phase or cycle, and the name represents/symbolizes that.

And now i'm just "Justin" and probably will stay that way. Your words/accusations fall quite flat.

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All of the paranoid explanations of 9/11 have been thoroughly debunked by objective sources, including Scientific American. For me to debate with someone who is clearly mentally unbalanced is pointless. You troll the internet, find some equally twisted French author who spins fairy tales about 9/11, and since it fits your narrative, you latch onto it like it's manna from heaven.

Could you please direct me to the Scientific American piece that completely debunks all alternative theories? If it truly does that in a holistically logical and internally consistent way, then i may change my mind. However, there are quite a number of engineers, scientists, architects, military, etc folks that strongly question the official theory.

Here is something that i recently became aware of
http://www.wuc-news.com/2016/04/scientists-confirm-explosives-used-to.html

But, if you want to continue the 9/11 thing, bring it to the Off Topic section. You keep bringing it up here, and it doesn't belong.

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Why not do something you folks shy away from, and get a job and contribute something meaningful to society. I know that's anathema to your socialistic mentality, but maybe you can gain some appreciation for those of us who do work and provide the means for you to have so much leisure time to indulge your childish fantasies.

Thanks for the suggestion, but currently and for the last couple years or so, i've been working both a full time and part time job. My part time job has some definite downtime and so i occasionally read and may write a reply or two here during it. Right now, i'm back home from my full time job on a day where i don't work my part time job, and am in the hammock outside enjoying the beautiful weather with a very cute kitty snuggling me. Dang, us "socialists" are so mal adjusted and evil. Wink

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You'll never guess who he implied he resembled.

Who, Yeshua? Yup, guilty as charged. That was spiritual error, or "ego" on my part at the time. I've been in a couple phases where i became off centered and lost some of my spiritual attunement and balance. A big one was was during and for awhile after i was involved with ACIM. It took me awhile to disentangle myself from the limiting effects. I found out first hand what Albert's guidance told him, "...it makes the ego bigger."

That's the kind of effect it had on me. And yes, i certainly do think well of self even when more centered and spiritually intune, but i don't think so well of self that i go around constantly personally attacking others, making sarcastic or belittling comments, demonizing people in an extreme way, or attaching very judgmental and negative fixed labels to them. Oh, i do occasionally get personal with folks a bit, but it's usually after observing egregious, repeating bad behavior towards others or self--such as the Three Caballeros have exhibited of late.*

Can you say the same, because i get the sense that while you don't think you resemble Yeshua at all, that if we could peel back some of your masks, we would find someone that thinks quite highly of themselves, so highly that they think it's ok to use/manipulate mentally ill folks, to constantly engage in ad hominem attacks, engage in extreme demonization, etc. Such activities take quite a bit of ego, body, and fear attunement to engage in, wouldn't you agree.

* True story, while growing up during grade school years, we moved a fair amount, so i got to observe, first hand quite a number of bully type personalities. Occasionally, i would get in fights either sticking up for others or myself. I never started a fight unless it was sticking up for others being merclessly bullied, and when it came to self, i stuck to a code of giving them 3 strikes. After the 3rd, well let's just say the bully types didn't bully me anymore. Platitudes about walking away, don't really apply when you're that age, as often it doesn't really work, and i certainly wasn't mature enough to pull a Yeshua at the time.

Btw, i'm glad you're "done with me", but i would think that would include not making back handed, indirect put downs and sarcastic remarks like you have been. Honestly, i would be surprised if that stopped. Lips Sealed

In any case, i think i am going to start that 9/11 thread in the off topic section, because there is new evidence that i'm wasn't aware of. Feel free to join to actually engage in some real, intellectual debate. It's pretty easy to make sweeping generalizations and call me names. Not so easy to back it all up, just as i found out with the bully types back in grade school.

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