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Reply #30 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 6:33am

Ralph Buskey wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

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One of the things that i'm trying to work on is learning to consistently maintain is a good balance between Yin (receptivity/passivness), and Yang (outpouring/activiteness), especially in my expression and interaction with others.

Yes, Justin, I feel that is the key for which I strive to maintain as much as possible. Besides believing that I have chimerism (both male and female DNA) which may give me a physical head start, balancing Yin and Yang in anyone has great benefits for mental, emotional, and physical stability while physically incarnate. Robert Monroe's he/she is a prime example.

Not only that, but I feel it has been a key in my conquering fear of exploration into the other side. The more I learn and experience, the easier it gets to maintain a balance and loss of any fears, both in this physical life and in my meditations and dreams. I really look forward now into my journeys.

After belonging to Christianity (first), Buddhism (second), Eckankar/Sant Mat (third) and Judaism (fourth), I have resorted back to being an agnostic convinced that God (he/she/it) is benevolent to all sentient beings and doesn't pick sides like some sort of all powerful game show host. Eckankar/Sant Mat probably was the closest of the religions I previously joined which taught that God was a sound force existing throughout all creation which split into light and sound below the higher planes/focus levels/frequencies which exist outside the physical realm.

Ralph

Your gender marker indicates you are a male, but now you want me to believe that you are both male and female, for Gods sake choose which gender you are?

Almighty God presents himself as a male spirit, but in your view, he is a transgender .

God is not a sound force God is an Infinite Separate Mind that created all of the reality we see or do not see

Not this stupid entity or mindless energy and fairy tale rubbish that was invented by humanity.

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Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 8:22am

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 6:11am:

1796 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:20am:

Some people are scared of fear. They even think fear should be banned. They talk about having the right not to be afraid. Its a common attitude in some circles.

That statement makes no sense, whatsoever!

Yes, it is illogical, as any clear minded person can see.

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Reply #32 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:17am

<<Who the heck is Yahshua, we are English speakers on this forum, join a Hebrew forum if you insist on using Hebrew names not here?>>

Reminds me of when my wife and I joined a local gun club and we were part of a line of folks participating in trap shooting. Instead of calling out "pull", signifying the RO to release the pidgeon, I thought it'd be cool to call "bird" instead, which is the practice at our club in Canada. I actually thought that would impress the other shooters.

A real no-no. Not cool. I was gently admonished afterwards. "When in Rome" etc. First and last time I pulled (pun intended) that stupid stunt. Deliberately trying to be different in an attempt to impress others is a fool's errand.

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Reply #33 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am

R,

Ok, so you can be different to make an impression, and also you can be different. If calling out "bird" was what you had learnt and you were comfortable with, and the group were basically speaking the same language because they totally get what you are saying, being admonished for a so-called no-no can even call for the tight ass(es) to learn to unclench and also breathe with the stomach. That is a valid option too. Breathe in, purse the lips and breathe out, and notice how the cheeks are pulling apart.

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Reply #34 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am

1796 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:20am:

Some people are scared of fear. They even think fear should be banned. They talk about having the right not to be afraid. Its a common attitude in some circles.

Fearing fear is pretty contradictory- how about 'consciously choosing to move way from fear'. Why ban it? - that's imposing something from the outside, that would'nt change anything - change comes from within!

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Reply #35 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:46am

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 6:14am:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

DocM wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

There are very few people who post on this forum any more. Recently, a number of posts have come by warning people against exploring consciousness and the afterlife. Stating that evil is lurking out there, or worse yet, damnation from the almighty, with biblical references and all. And what anyone can see in the posts from these people are two irrefutable facts; the first is that they are afraid. They are frightened and in trying to understand what has been discussed and explored, they choose fear over understanding. The second obvious fact about those who warn everyone about exploration, is that the fearful ones are not really exploring themselves. It is the blind leading the blind.

And what is even more clear, is that the whole notion of evil lurking in every meditation, in every attempt to explore is nonsense. Countless people have tried, and while few are adept astral travelers, most have positive experiences. You see, while your intellect may be led astray, your spiritual body, the force of love you share, makes you resonate for lack of a better term at a frequency. Ill meaning and low level entities may try to bring your thinking and emotions down to their level, but since they are on such a different level as most good people, there is usually no sway that negatives will have over anyone, unless you willingly relinquish your thought and power to them.

Many explorers have commented that those on hellish planes can not visit higher planes at will. They see as if nothing is present there. Also, the feelings of love and good intention is distinctly uncomfortable for them. Like attracts like in spirit and the afterlife.

The mind body connection of each of us, the "silver cord" we have, is as close to an unbreakable bond as there can be in the universe (until our physical bodies perish).

Most sources do recommend setting intention prior to any exploration, which may invoke protection for the highest good. Intention so set usually has a powerful effect on getting assistance and having an experience which is positive.

But it would be wrong to read the handful of posts of late and conclude that exploration is evil, and should be avoided at all costs. Is discernment necessary? Yes. Is it wise to believe everything on face value? Of course not. But the fear and fire and brimstone written about is not warranted.

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Good post Mathew but the promotion of fear is not restricted to this forum. Fear is everywhere: fear of ISIS,fear of financial meltdown,fear of environmental collapse, fear of aging, fear of not being good enough etc etc. and like gravity it holds us down.But what is there to fear? Death of the physical body is inevitable- it may be car accident, disease, war-related, old age etc. but it is going to happen whatever we do. But what if we are inherently immortal spiritual beings enjoying a brief physical sojourn, what is their to fear then? Eternal damnation? - what possible motive would a loving God have for that? Possession? - We are going to lose our physical bodies anyway: let them have it if the invading entity wants it so badly! The truth is there is nothing to fear if we believe we are essentially immortal beings.

Thus, we should not fear anything, tell that to the victims and last few survivors of Hitler's death camps the of the Holocaust

Alan- I would say that the holocaust was a very good example of what happens when fear wins.In this case the fears of the German people (in terrible economic times) were ruthlessly exploited by the Nazi party to foster hatred of minority groups especially Jews. But even in the terrible conditions of the camps there were examples of people refusing to give in to fear by selflessly giving their last crumbs of bread so that others might live.Victor Frankl ( a holocaust survivor) talks about this in some of his books.

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Reply #36 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:28pm

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Thus, we should not fear anything, tell that to the victims and last few survivors of Hitler's death camps the of the Holocaust

Alan, as a sidenote, the "Good War" also includes German civilians.

"German cities will be subjected to an ordeal the like of which has never been experienced by a country in continuity, severity and magnitude. To achieve this end there are no lengths of violence to which we will not go." - Winston Churchill

http://goo.gl/wVjctE

"Don’t mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will not have trouble with them: they will cease to exist." - Winston Churchill

http://goo.gl/vYRLTj

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Reply #37 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 12:55pm

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Thus, we should not fear anything, tell that to the victims and last few survivors of Hitler's death camps the of the Holocaust

Alan, as a sidenote, the "Good War" also includes German civilians.

"German cities will be subjected to an ordeal the like of which has never been experienced by a country in continuity, severity and magnitude. To achieve this end there are no lengths of violence to which we will not go." - Winston Churchill

http://goo.gl/wVjctE

"Don’t mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will not have trouble with them: they will cease to exist." - Winston Churchill

http://goo.gl/vYRLTj

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/11/article-2276944-03644BD60000044D-755_634x444.jpg

Stop trying to justify a lesser evil be comparing it to a greater evil.

Hitler started the war and all the guilt of that terrible decision will sit on his shoulders at the great day of judgement.

What was Churchill supposed to do , sit back and let millions of his innocent people die by Hitler's sick ambitions?

Hitler and very sadly his people reaped what he sewed.

He was an evil tyrannical dictator and evil despot, while Churchill was a good man forced to do bad things.

Thre are no good wars of bad peaces

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Reply #38 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:22pm

Alan, I linked to a black & white photo in my previous post, but it is not only consisting of black and white like a notan picture. Neither is it justification of anything, but it is part of reality.

Hitler was at the top of the Nazi pyramid, and without the blocks of supporting Nazis below, what would Hitler do with his ideas?

What would Jesus do? What would God do?

Hate does not make you a good and strong man, so be it if your name is Alan or Churchill.

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Rondele Ex Member	Re: Fear of Afterlife Exploration Reply #39 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:17pm Churchill no doubt a great man and leader. Thankfully he came along at the right time when Europe esp the UK was at maximum danger by a ruthless madman. R
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Reply #40 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

1796 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:20am:

Some people are scared of fear. They even think fear should be banned. They talk about having the right not to be afraid. Its a common attitude in some circles.

Fearing fear is pretty contradictory- how about 'consciously choosing to move way from fear'. Why ban it? - that's imposing something from the outside, that would'nt change anything - change comes from within!

Its not contradictory. You are not familiar with how it works. Emotionally engrossed people are often fearful of fear. Similarly, many people get anxious about having an anxiety attack; depressed about being depressed; angry at themselves at being angry, and so on. Emotions can easily fold over upon themselves, each new layer initiated by the preceding layer of emotion more than by the initial trigger. Thus the condition magnifies and self-perpetuates itself, even after the initial triggers are no longer present or relevant.

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Rondele Ex Member	Re: Fear of Afterlife Exploration Reply #41 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 8:00pm 1796 is correct. Fear begets fear. In fact, some people flunk a lie detector test, even tho they are innocent, because they fear they will show fear when the key questions are posed. R
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Reply #42 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 8:02pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

Fearing fear is pretty contradictory- how about 'consciously choosing to move way from fear'. Why ban it? - that's imposing something from the outside, that would'nt change anything - change comes from within!

Yes, change does come from within.

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Psychs encourage people to develop an external locus of control by continually asking them, "And how did that make you feel?"

They also encourage the propagating of legislation and policies that entitle people (mostly women and black/brown people) not to feel bullied, harassed, threatened, and if they do then it is someone else's fault, regardless of that someone else's intent. That is why so many workplace policy manuals have statements to the effect that workers/students have the right not to feel fearful, anxious, bullied etc. Its not really about banning those emotional states, its about cultivating in people an external locus of control, a belief that one's internal condition is a result of external effects.

People with an external locus of control are mostly unhappy envious people, and blame others/circumstances/society etc for their own inadequacies. They dislike the world around them, particularly society. Because they have an external locus of control they are easily externally manipulated -- mentally, emotionally and physically. People with external locus of control make perfect useful idiots. And from a psych's point of view they are good for business too.

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Reply #43 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:12pm

And Alan is correct in saying that the opposite of love is not fear but hate.

Love is wishing well for others, that they learn an grow with minimum suffering.

Hate is the desire to harm or to see harm done, or to stifle them, to hold them back. That is the opposite of love.

Fear though, is part of the survival instinct or survival drive. Fear exists for the management of it.

Personally, fear brings out my best. It prompts me to include prayer in what I do, and not to deal with the situation alone, but with God. But I admit there have been times when fear has caught me unprepared and has overwhelmed me and caused sluggishness of thought and not the best action. But even those times have been blessings because they have taught me lessons for the next time. I have frequently worked in dangerous situations, and still do occasionally as required. My stomach knots and twists prior to each time I have to enter a room and match myself against a threat. (no I am not a police officer) When those physical sensations occur then I know to breathe in from God into my soul, and out through my heart and continue forward, and let my mind be as clear as my heart will make it. Occasionally I have had cause to take an average person with me into such a place. They have usually turned white, feel sick and cannot think straight. Admittedly I could not do it without prayer - prayer being faith and communion with God. Part of my work has included teaching others how to manage fear.

Have you looked up at the clouds and seen different layers of cloud moving in different directions? That is because there are winds moving in different directions at different levels in the atmosphere. One seemingly strong wind at ground level blowing in one direction, and high up is another wind blowing in another direction that we cannot feel but it is stronger than the one that we feel at ground level. Fears are like that. We have different levels of fear, pushing us in different directions.

Someone may be faced with a threat or situation and their ground level fear of which they are most conscious tells them to turn and flee, or to do nothing, or walk on by and ignore. But high up near their own sun which is their soul, there is another fear less forceful upon them. It is the opposite fear; the fear that they may turn and flee, or do nothing, or walk on by. Afterwards, when the situation is over and the ground level fear is subsided, then they can feel their disappointment, and their higher fear. This is partly why witnesses to horrific events so often suffer ptsd more than do those who took part or those to whom it happened.

Can we see the difference between being fearful and being God fearing?

Before I enter a hostile situation, I am conscious of my ground level fear and its desire not to go forward. I am also conscious of that higher fear, the higher breeze up near my soul that would blow me forward toward the threat to do my work, and which, if I don't obey it, will punish me with regret afterwards. And so I go forward, against the ground level fear, and with the fear of God. For I know that the superficial safety to which the ground level fear would have me go toward has no reward for me, but the fear of God moves me forward towards a greater reward of conquering earth's little threats and providing me with a sense of duty accomplished and lessons learnt.

The more we put the situation and our self in God's hands, the more potent is our prayer, and the more effectual is God's power through us and from us. It is a matter of handing over our self to God while continuing to do our duty to our best. This makes us our strongest self.

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Reply #44 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 11:57pm

rondele wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

Churchill no doubt a great man and leader. Thankfully he came along at the right time when Europe esp the UK was at maximum danger by a ruthless madman

No doubt one of several men with great responsibilities. The challenge with being a good guy, as opposed to a ruthless madman, is keeping an eye on both outward and inward standards.

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