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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2016 at 7:45am
 
No,

I am not talking about you personally, and was not aware of your other thread.  If you read through the threads over the past month, denigrating Bruce, the concept of astral travel or exploration, and the warnings thrown in about a wrathful deity, these have occupied the board, and although one person may post more than another, the call to action for myself was the unopposed fear that lay behind it, not to point the finger at one person.  Hence the title of my thread, "Fear of Afterlife Exploration."

I have no problem with Amens.  Say it myself.  But when one poster warns of eternal damnation of the soul for ridiculous reasons, and it remains unchallanged, well in my mind that requires a response. 

With regard to right intention, right action; that is a principle of buddhism which is shared by many spiritual people, myself included.   I am in whole hearted agreement with you on those ideas.


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Reply #16 - Mar 30th, 2016 at 2:09pm
 
Some people have responded to Alan's fear-based posts, but he wrote so many--how many times should a person respond?

This subject reminds me of what happens with some near death experience accounts on youtube. Some people describe wonderful experiences where they experienced vast unconditional love. But if they don't say anyting about Jesus, some fundamentalist Christian's will comment that such NDErs were fooled by Satan.

Such fundamentalists are so entrapped by their fear, that they don't seem ask themselves how a being such as Satan could share vast unconditional love with people.  If such a being existed, he would radiate hate, anger and an evil feeling, not divine love. If you go by the Bible, Jesus said that you will know them by their fruits. Unconditional love is a wonderful fruit.

DocM wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 7:45am:
No,

I am not talking about you personally, and was not aware of your other thread.  If you read through the threads over the past month, denigrating Bruce, the concept of astral travel or exploration, and the warnings thrown in about a wrathful deity, these have occupied the board, and although one person may post more than another, the call to action for myself was the unopposed fear that lay behind it, not to point the finger at one person.  Hence the title of my thread, "Fear of Afterlife Exploration."

I have no problem with Amens.  Say it myself.  But when one poster warns of eternal damnation of the soul for ridiculous reasons, and it remains unchallanged, well in my mind that requires a response. 

With regard to right intention, right action; that is a principle of buddhism which is shared by many spiritual people, myself included.   I am in whole hearted agreement with you on those ideas.


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Reply #17 - Mar 30th, 2016 at 5:58pm
 
Very good points, recoverer.
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But if they don't say anyting about Jesus, some fundamentalist Christian's will comment that such NDErs were fooled by Satan.


and even when NDEs do reference Jesus, they rarely (if ever) support fundamentalist doctrine.
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recoverer wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 12:43pm:
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  No worries Kathy, i just saw an opportunity for some korny humor.  Thank you for the reply/acknowledgement.
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DocM wrote on Mar 30th, 2016 at 7:45am:
No,

I am not talking about you personally, and was not aware of your other thread.  If you read through the threads over the past month, denigrating Bruce, the concept of astral travel or exploration, and the warnings thrown in about a wrathful deity, these have occupied the board, and although one person may post more than another, the call to action for myself was the unopposed fear that lay behind it, not to point the finger at one person.  Hence the title of my thread, "Fear of Afterlife Exploration."

I have no problem with Amens.  Say it myself.  But when one poster warns of eternal damnation of the soul for ridiculous reasons, and it remains unchallanged, well in my mind that requires a response. 

With regard to right intention, right action; that is a principle of buddhism which is shared by many spiritual people, myself included.   I am in whole hearted agreement with you on those ideas.


Matthew


There is a real way to explore the afterlife, as a factual experience is to die or kill yourself.

Of course, then you cannot come back and tell anyone and therein, lies our dilemma??

Bruces stuff about disc levels are just the invention of his imagination and do not exist in this or any other reality.

It is wrong, even fraudulent to claim your imagined fiction is fact and make a good living out of it, like Bruce does, with innocent gullible people who are desperate for ultimate truth.

He should qualify everything he writes in his many nonsensical obscure books. Or set a disclaimer on all his stuff and 'LECTURES, before going around spouting nonsense all over the US and beyond its borders.

He has never had the honesty to do even that!

It would be OK if he publishes his works and fiction as origination from his excellent imagination, but sadly he goes on misleading people into believing what he says and writes is the truth, based on factual experiences of which he has had none
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Reply #21 - Apr 3rd, 2016 at 1:11pm
 
  Alan, many (probably most) here have very different perceptions and perspectives on all this stuff.  You will be very hard pressed to change our minds or hearts in general, but especially with such forcefulness, anger, and judgmental scorn behind your words.

  Positive exampling, and holistic logic may help to open some minds and hearts to your messages, but only if people resonate with those messages, or if they have deeper truth. 

  One of the things that i'm trying to work on is learning to consistently maintain is a good balance between Yin (receptivity/passivness), and Yang (outpouring/activiteness), especially in my expression and interaction with others. 

  It's not an easy process to keep up consistently, but i do think it's worthwhile to try.

  I've had plenty of experiences and messages that support a lot of what Bruce Moen and others talk about here.  Perhaps the only main area that we disagree on, is that i think there are "some" very clever, very negative, and potentially influential ET's involved with humanity that are trying to keep humans stuck. 

   Also, i've met and interacted with Bruce on a couple different occasions, both in a more formal and informal setting.  While Bruce is not at the level of Yeshua as of yet, he is a fundamentally good and honorable person, a person of high ideals and integrity, with a fairly strong attunement to PUL all in all. From all appearances (i've been in his house), he lives modestly. And i've been more vocally critical of some of Bruce's stances than most here so i'm not a blind fanboy, worshiper of his.  Bruce is NOT my "guru".  The only Teacher i consistently look to is Yeshua (Jesus), and i meet/commune with him within my heart and Soul. 

    Consider trying this Alan, ask to connect with only the most positive, helpful-constructive, Loving, and God and Yeshua (Jesus) connected Beings, and ask them to shield you from any hindering, misleading, or ignorant Beings.  Ask the former for help in strengthening and centering self. 

 

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Reply #22 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 1:03pm
 
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  One of the things that i'm trying to work on is learning to consistently maintain is a good balance between Yin (receptivity/passivness), and Yang (outpouring/activiteness), especially in my expression and interaction with others. 


   Yes, Justin, I feel that is the key for which I strive to maintain as much as possible. Besides believing that I have chimerism (both male and female DNA) which may give me a physical head start, balancing Yin and Yang in anyone has great benefits for mental, emotional, and physical stability while physically incarnate. Robert Monroe's he/she is a prime example.

   Not only that, but I feel it has been a key in my conquering fear of exploration into the other side. The more I learn and experience, the easier it gets to maintain a balance and loss of any fears, both in this physical life and in my meditations and dreams. I really look forward now into my journeys.

   After belonging to Christianity (first), Buddhism (second), Eckankar/Sant Mat (third) and Judaism (fourth), I have resorted back to being an agnostic convinced that God (he/she/it) is benevolent to all sentient beings and doesn't pick sides like some sort of all powerful game show host. Eckankar/Sant Mat probably was the closest of the religions I previously joined which taught that God was a sound force existing throughout all creation which split into light and sound below the higher planes/focus levels/frequencies which exist outside the physical realm.

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Reply #23 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 10:21pm
 
    I over simplified it a bit for brevity's sake (another thing i'm working on Smiley ). 

There are times and places to express a more pure Yang attunement or Yin attunement in interaction with others.  But generally speaking, balancing and blending is more preferable.

  Re: DNA, my understanding is that DNA isn't inherently male or female, but does control or strongly influence chromosomatic expression which does relate to gender.  I also think that our consciousness can influence DNA and the latter some too. 

   Regarding He/She, i'm about 99% certain that the identity of that person is none other than Yeshua.  It seems that Bob was almost anti-religious for awhile, but for some reason, at some mid to latter point in his life, he became interested in finding out more or perhaps more accurately corroborating data, on the historical figure--Yeshua (Jesus). 

     He had his then friend at one point, Joe McMoneagle, do a remote viewing session on a target in an envelope according to Joe.  Joe picked up pretty fairly quickly that the target was Jesus (which it was).   Interestingly, some of the info from that session correlates with info that Cayce's guidance gives about him both physically and spiritually.  Physically that Yeshua had reddish colored hair, and that this being has incarnated a number of times for the purpose of influencing humanity in a positive/spiritual way. 

      Interestingly, Joe did not remain conscious to the session.  I think the info he was picking up on, was so far faster vibrating than what he was used to attuning to, his conscious personality self had to "click out" so to speak, and he couldn't remember much of anything of the session, except that this larger being that Jesus was connected to and was, had a deep sense of joy.  (Similar to Edgar Cayce and how he rarely could remember the contents of a reading). 

   To me, Yeshua has little to do with religion, and is way beyond religion.  I didn't come to him through religion. Unfortunately though, most put him a box of religion.

   Anyways, if He/She does happen to be Yeshua, then He/She is only a blend on a consciousness level, as according to Cayce's guidance and the Shroud of Turin info, Yeshua had a fairly masculine physical form. 

   So the physical need not reflect or harmonize with the consciousness for this to work. 

  There was a time in humanity's earlier development when it did more so, but that time was when what we perceive as matter was less "set" and more fluidic than now--closer to the level that some call and label the "etheric".  This is in various sources, but Cayce's guidance talks a lot about it.

According to Cayce's own past life readings about his and his Twin Soul's Soul history, at one point he and his twin Soul were still One in spirit/mind/body, and incarnated in one of the last true androgynous forms in late, near end of Atlantis period (some 14,000 years ago)--and like the earlier versions/incarnations of these more "godlike" androgynous beings, had more creative abilities and direct mind/consciousness control of the physical.

  To my knowledge, none of these earlier forms of humans have been found or at least not publicly discussed, so i have to remain a bit skeptical to it (though the Egyptian leader Akhenaten seems to have had a more blended body in some ways).  However, as you touched upon, occasionally some individuals today are born more blended than usual, perhaps kind of a shadow of that possible former expression.  As to whether those current individuals tend to a have greater ability than average to tap into the creative force, remains to be seen.  Some have been exceptional athletes, but that has little to do with spiritual attunement all in all and mostly has been female looking competors with higher than average testosterone levels because of the greater female-male blending. 

   Pollution, drugs during fetus development, inbreeding,  and radiation can probably contribute to such alternations too, and so it's not necessarily always or even usually a consciousness or spiritual thing in our times--sometimes it's just a physical expression.   

   

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Reply #24 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 6:38am
 
DocM wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
There are very few people who post on this forum any more.  Recently, a number of posts have come by warning people against exploring consciousness and the afterlife.  Stating that evil is lurking out there, or worse yet, damnation from the almighty, with biblical references and all.  And what anyone can see in the posts from these people are two irrefutable facts; the first is that they are afraid.  They are frightened and in trying to understand what has been discussed and explored, they choose fear over understanding.  The second obvious fact about those who warn everyone about exploration, is that the fearful ones are not really exploring themselves.  It is the blind leading the blind. 

And what is even more clear, is that the whole notion of evil lurking in every meditation, in every attempt to explore is nonsense.  Countless people have tried, and while few are adept astral travelers, most have positive experiences.  You see, while your intellect may be led astray, your spiritual body, the force of love you share, makes you resonate for lack of a better term at a frequency.  Ill meaning and low level entities may try to bring your thinking and emotions down to their level, but since they are on such a different level as most good people, there is usually no sway that negatives will have over anyone, unless you willingly relinquish your thought and power to them.

Many explorers have commented that those on hellish planes can not visit higher planes at will.  They see as if nothing is present there.  Also, the feelings of love and good intention is distinctly uncomfortable for them.  Like attracts like in spirit and the afterlife. 

The mind body connection of each of us, the "silver cord" we have, is as close to an unbreakable bond as there can be in the universe (until our physical bodies perish). 

Most sources do recommend setting intention prior to any exploration, which may invoke protection for the highest good.  Intention so set usually has a powerful effect on getting assistance and having an experience which is positive. 

But it would be wrong to read the handful of posts of late and conclude that exploration is evil, and should be avoided at all costs.  Is discernment necessary?  Yes.  Is it wise to believe everything on face value?  Of course not.  But the fear and fire and brimstone written about is not warranted.

M


Good post Mathew but the promotion of fear is not restricted to this forum. Fear is everywhere: fear of ISIS,fear of financial meltdown,fear of environmental collapse, fear of aging, fear of not being good enough etc etc. and like gravity it holds us down.But what is there to fear? Death of the physical body is inevitable- it may be car accident, disease, war-related, old age etc. but it is going to happen whatever we do. But what if we are inherently immortal spiritual beings enjoying a brief physical sojourn, what is their to fear then? Eternal damnation? - what possible motive would a loving God have for that? Possession? - We are going to lose our physical bodies anyway: let them have it if the invading entity wants it so badly! The truth is there is nothing to fear if we believe we are essentially immortal beings.
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Some people are scared of fear. They even think fear should be banned. They talk about having the right not to be afraid. Its a common attitude in some circles.
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Reply #26 - Apr 6th, 2016 at 6:10am
 
DocM wrote on Mar 29th, 2016 at 5:54am:
Roger,

I agree with Albert, and quite frankly I'm surprised at your position here.  I always go by the "do no harm."  And it is the fear based response that I see that does the most harm.  Why?  Because fear is the opposite of love.  The opposite of what the whole system is set up to experience.  And so for all I know about you, your response is surprising.

Consciousness is what it is, whether we are exploring in the incarnate world or the afterlife.  In some ways, it is actually more difficult to get into trouble with a directed meditation/projection over there than it is over here!  Why is that, you ask?  Quite simple, really.  In the earth plane, you have people of different degrees of consciousness all on a level playing field.  When you go out to any public place, there is a random likelihood of encountering a soul with evil intent clothed in a body just like one who is angelic.  In fact, many appear beautiful on the outside while harboring an ugliness and evil that is severe on the inside. 

In the mental planes and consciousness realms, it is much more difficult to hide who you really are.  Also, over there, as everywhere, the law of "like attracts like" applies.  Focus 27, "the park" and other places generally good people go when they pass on are not populated by people bent on evil.  In account after account of adepts, it is clear that their afterlife experience is, quite different. 

So I would argue that you are more likely to meet up with someone bent on hurting you in the physical world than there.  Also, the idea, that you can take an average person, and either sway them into evil action or have another horrible fate such as a possession befall them at the drop of a hat.  Of course, if someone is unbalanced, suffering from emotional problems, they could run into negative experiences since they are open to it.  I would never encourage anyone like that to explore.  But that is the exception, not the rule. 

So, yes, there are negatives out there, but in general, they are not able to populate planes where loving people exist.  To be there for any length of time would be like a poison to them.  Now if, while beginning to meditate someone gets a negative communication on one of the lowest planes, one can always break off the communication.  This happened to me once, during a hemi-sync meditation.  And although it was jarring and brief, it was a rare exception to many positive experiences.

Roger, you should also know that when you enter into sleep, your astral form roams freely.  Worse yet, you and I are less rational in the sleep state than when awake.  Yet I bet you got a great night's sleep last night, and for the most part, you wake up every morning feeling refreshed.  By your way of thinking, and Alan's we should never sleep again!  The whole way of thinking is skewed.

So would I caution an unstable person about exploration?  Of course.  I would probably tell that person to seek counseling and help just because they were unstable or disturbed anyway.  But I still contend that the "be afraid" response is and of itself unhealthy, and leads to closing yourself off to possibilities and a direct knowing that we are more than our egos and our physical bodies.

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Where do you dig up that fear is the opposite of love?

HATE IS THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE.


Fear is a very necessary attribute for human survival and not a negative as you state!
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Reply #27 - Apr 6th, 2016 at 6:11am
 
1796 wrote on Apr 6th, 2016 at 2:20am:
Some people are scared of fear. They even think fear should be banned. They talk about having the right not to be afraid. Its a common attitude in some circles.


That statement makes no sense, whatsoever!
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heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 6:38am:
DocM wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 4:34pm:
There are very few people who post on this forum any more.  Recently, a number of posts have come by warning people against exploring consciousness and the afterlife.  Stating that evil is lurking out there, or worse yet, damnation from the almighty, with biblical references and all.  And what anyone can see in the posts from these people are two irrefutable facts; the first is that they are afraid.  They are frightened and in trying to understand what has been discussed and explored, they choose fear over understanding.  The second obvious fact about those who warn everyone about exploration, is that the fearful ones are not really exploring themselves.  It is the blind leading the blind. 

And what is even more clear, is that the whole notion of evil lurking in every meditation, in every attempt to explore is nonsense.  Countless people have tried, and while few are adept astral travelers, most have positive experiences.  You see, while your intellect may be led astray, your spiritual body, the force of love you share, makes you resonate for lack of a better term at a frequency.  Ill meaning and low level entities may try to bring your thinking and emotions down to their level, but since they are on such a different level as most good people, there is usually no sway that negatives will have over anyone, unless you willingly relinquish your thought and power to them.

Many explorers have commented that those on hellish planes can not visit higher planes at will.  They see as if nothing is present there.  Also, the feelings of love and good intention is distinctly uncomfortable for them.  Like attracts like in spirit and the afterlife. 

The mind body connection of each of us, the "silver cord" we have, is as close to an unbreakable bond as there can be in the universe (until our physical bodies perish). 

Most sources do recommend setting intention prior to any exploration, which may invoke protection for the highest good.  Intention so set usually has a powerful effect on getting assistance and having an experience which is positive. 

But it would be wrong to read the handful of posts of late and conclude that exploration is evil, and should be avoided at all costs.  Is discernment necessary?  Yes.  Is it wise to believe everything on face value?  Of course not.  But the fear and fire and brimstone written about is not warranted.

M


Good post Mathew but the promotion of fear is not restricted to this forum. Fear is everywhere: fear of ISIS,fear of financial meltdown,fear of environmental collapse, fear of aging, fear of not being good enough etc etc. and like gravity it holds us down.But what is there to fear? Death of the physical body is inevitable- it may be car accident, disease, war-related, old age etc. but it is going to happen whatever we do. But what if we are inherently immortal spiritual beings enjoying a brief physical sojourn, what is their to fear then? Eternal damnation? - what possible motive would a loving God have for that? Possession? - We are going to lose our physical bodies anyway: let them have it if the invading entity wants it so badly! The truth is there is nothing to fear if we believe we are essentially immortal beings.


Thus, we should not fear anything, tell that to the victims and last few survivors of Hitler's death camps the of the Holocaust
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    I over simplified it a bit for brevity's sake (another thing i'm working on Smiley ). 

There are times and places to express a more pure Yang attunement or Yin attunement in interaction with others.  But generally speaking, balancing and blending is more preferable.

  Re: DNA, my understanding is that DNA isn't inherently male or female, but does control or strongly influence chromosomatic expression which does relate to gender.  I also think that our consciousness can influence DNA and the latter some too. 

   Regarding He/She, i'm about 99% certain that the identity of that person is none other than Yeshua.  It seems that Bob was almost anti-religious for awhile, but for some reason, at some mid to latter point in his life, he became interested in finding out more or perhaps more accurately corroborating data, on the historical figure--Yeshua (Jesus). 

     He had his then friend at one point, Joe McMoneagle, do a remote viewing session on a target in an envelope according to Joe.  Joe picked up pretty fairly quickly that the target was Jesus (which it was).   Interestingly, some of the info from that session correlates with info that Cayce's guidance gives about him both physically and spiritually.  Physically that Yeshua had reddish colored hair, and that this being has incarnated a number of times for the purpose of influencing humanity in a positive/spiritual way. 

      Interestingly, Joe did not remain conscious to the session.  I think the info he was picking up on, was so far faster vibrating than what he was used to attuning to, his conscious personality self had to "click out" so to speak, and he couldn't remember much of anything of the session, except that this larger being that Jesus was connected to and was, had a deep sense of joy.  (Similar to Edgar Cayce and how he rarely could remember the contents of a reading). 

   To me, Yeshua has little to do with religion, and is way beyond religion.  I didn't come to him through religion. Unfortunately though, most put him a box of religion.

   Anyways, if He/She does happen to be Yeshua, then He/She is only a blend on a consciousness level, as according to Cayce's guidance and the Shroud of Turin info, Yeshua had a fairly masculine physical form. 

   So the physical need not reflect or harmonize with the consciousness for this to work. 

  There was a time in humanity's earlier development when it did more so, but that time was when what we perceive as matter was less "set" and more fluidic than now--closer to the level that some call and label the "etheric".  This is in various sources, but Cayce's guidance talks a lot about it.

According to Cayce's own past life readings about his and his Twin Soul's Soul history, at one point he and his twin Soul were still One in spirit/mind/body, and incarnated in one of the last true androgynous forms in late, near end of Atlantis period (some 14,000 years ago)--and like the earlier versions/incarnations of these more "godlike" androgynous beings, had more creative abilities and direct mind/consciousness control of the physical.

  To my knowledge, none of these earlier forms of humans have been found or at least not publicly discussed, so i have to remain a bit skeptical to it (though the Egyptian leader Akhenaten seems to have had a more blended body in some ways).  However, as you touched upon, occasionally some individuals today are born more blended than usual, perhaps kind of a shadow of that possible former expression.  As to whether those current individuals tend to a have greater ability than average to tap into the creative force, remains to be seen.  Some have been exceptional athletes, but that has little to do with spiritual attunement all in all and mostly has been female looking competors with higher than average testosterone levels because of the greater female-male blending. 

   Pollution, drugs during fetus development, inbreeding,  and radiation can probably contribute to such alternations too, and so it's not necessarily always or even usually a consciousness or spiritual thing in our times--sometimes it's just a physical expression.   

   

   


Who the heck is Yahshua, we are English speakers on this forum, join a Hebrew forum if you insist on using Hebrew names not here?

Jesus Christ is his English name, what is wrong with that because then everyone will know exactly who you are refering to
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