Ok, Alan. Do you have a purpose with your new posts? If so what is the purpose?

seagull wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 5:31pm:


Age has an awful lot to do with it, Bruce is running out of time to ask God for forgiveness, for holding lectures and publishing books for money when the content of them is just a product of his mind, the content of which has mislead many many people with total absent of truth!

I doubt that Bruce makes a lot of money from his books and workshops.

Alan McDougall wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

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from my experience, fundamentalism is all about light and noise and not so much about facts, logic and reason.

The noise is in the people, not in the scriptures. And emotionalism is in people generally, not just Christian people.

Many people who have struggled unsuccessfully for many years against personal issues such as alcohol, drugs, behavioural problems and personality maladjustments have found relief from their affliction through fundamentalist Christianity. Many fundamentalist churches have many such people who are examples of that. Personally I have known many habitual criminals, drug and alcohol addicts, and personality disorders of different kinds who have been relieved of their problem through fundamentalist Christianity - through handing their problem over to Christ. It is obvious to me that these people have been greatly changed for the better. And in a way that no clinical therapy could have achieved.   

When a person has struggled against a problem for many years, been in mental institutions, prisons, homeless, lost family and marriages, almost destroyed themselves, all the while struggling to free their self from their ways, but unable to, and then one day they walk past a church, hear singing and go it, or attend a prison service, and are compelled to kneel exhausted before Christ, confess their sins and their inability to combat them, and hand their sins and their life over to Christ, and then they are relieved of their problem and their life changes for the better, well we cannot blame them for being somewhat emotional about it.    

The fundamental Christian teachings as taught in the scriptures are not illogical when understood. Most of JCs short statements can be taken literally. The parables though are symbolic, and some of John's gospel is more gnostic or esoteric. I consider the scriptures to be true on their fundamental level as well as their more esoteric levels. It is up to the individual to read them carefully and contemplate them, and let them speak to him on his own level.

When I go to church or get together with some Christian friends I don't care if they are catholic, protestant, fundamentalist, or esoteric, it makes no difference to me. I have my own understanding of the scriptures and that is my own, and they have theirs. I speak to them in their words, and adjust my thinking to theirs so that we can communicate easily. The same when teaching meditation to hindus, yoga students, new agers, martial artists, psychs and counsellors, or when discussing concepts with esoteric types, the language of thought and words must be adjusted to suit the people we are with, but the essence of what we are discussing and communicating is the same. Only the dressing or clothing is different.

We wouldn't think mathematics was no good just because we knew a crowd of people who practiced it and who were unsavoury or illogical. For people and mathematics are two different things. And the mathematics is helping the people become more logical. And there is basic maths and there are algebraic maths and more abstract and esoteric maths that physicists use. But its all essentially in the basics. Just like esoteric spirituality is essentially in fundamental religious scripture. Advanced levels are only extrapolations of fundamentals. 

1796, you write about handing over sins/errors and life to Christ, similar to let go and let God. Do you know about the mechanics of how this works?

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...impose their world view on you...deny you your own freewill and free intellect ? ! 


When you're a child, maybe. But not when you're a mature adult. As adults we have our own minds. 

Don't be like those weak characters on this forum and elsewhere who are frequently bleating that others on the forum are somehow denying them their freewill and self determination, bullying them and imposing their beliefs on them. Those people are classic weak characters. They are victim minded and like it. They are grown up babies.   Don't be like them. 

Be your own man. Exercise your own freewill and free intellect.

Freewill isn't only about governing what you do and what comes from you. It is also about you governing what you take in and adopt.   

Alan could plaster his posts on the end of every thread in the forum and interject everywhere, and I couldn't care a dead rat if he did. He's not bothering me. Why should he bother you. Its only a web site. It cannot impose on you or your thinking unless you choose to take it in. Ignore him if you're not interested. Or switch off and go read a book, do a job or go for a walk.