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Reply #60 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:51pm

"Lot's wife looked back and was literally turned to a pillar of salt (Genesis 19:26) etc. etc. Do you believe this?"

As someone who was there with her and the family in a manner of speaking, it wasn't that she was turned literally into "salt", but rather that such an intense heat wave blew through, that she was instantly vaporized and turned into ash, which appeared as "salt" like--if that's the most accurate translation to begin with (not all of it is ideally accurately translated).

Others were farther ahead physically (outside of the blast range), and some raised their vibrations enough, temporarily, to not be effected (so call "miraculous" stuff, or rather consciousness superseding matter and it's tendencies/laws).

As to the cause, my memories aren't clear by any means, but i think it was a large meteorite/small asteroid type object that struck in the general area. One that ET's could have prevented, but decided not to because of how debased and spiritually regressed the majority of the people in the area were. Some, like Lot's family were warned so that they could flee.

While not everything in the bible is literally true, there is more that is true than many would imagine. Some of it's multi layered, where it has historical aspects, but also metaphorical.

Some is more purely metaphorical, allegorical or symbolic (especially spiritually), and some is more purely historical.

Some is a simple, ignorant people trying to describe technology far beyond their conception, or non human beings that while often generally humanoid in appearance, sometimes aren't, or otherwise are very different than the current humans. And beings that whether through advanced technology, and/or developed consciousness abilities, could have seemingly miraculous effects on matter/physical reality from their perspective, and many of our conceptions now.

Regarding 7 days of creation, that is symbolic, and more relates to numerologist cycle concepts. There is a good amount in the bible that is numerlogical and even some that is astrological--the latter even more obviously in the Dead Sea scrolls.

Is there error and distortion in the bible, of course, human filters were involved, and most of these humans were not at or even necessarily close to the Yeshua type level of consciousness where completely clear sight and perception is experienced. Neither are today's people.

If all of us now wrote long lasting books about our beliefs (scientific, religious, metaphysical, spiritual), psychic/nonphysical and physical experiences, etc, no doubt if the people from a thousand years in the future found and read them, they would get a chuckle or two as well as scratch their heads a bit, from much of what we wrote down. even if we were unusually inspired, psychically sensitive, and/or aware for our times.

However, that doesn't mean that the baby should be thrown out with the bath water. There is nothing truly new under the Sun. Everything material, is to some extent, on a repeating cycle with minor variations, and what has come before, comes again, and repeats. Like a large, complicated, moving puzzle, but as complex as it may be, still has finite combinations.

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Reply #61 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:58pm

Alan, you don't discuss the topic, you ramble on like a bad preacher.

Read my posts. I am not saying God changes over time. I am saying that man is constantly trying to understand God. The bible was written in a certain place and time. At that time, the simple mind ascribed tragedies to God's wrath. The New Testament with Jesus, brought in another way of thinking of God as pure love. Jesus never speaks of punishing. More to tell you not to judge others less ye be judged. An ye, Alan are judging, so I hate to see where that line of thought goes (don't worry, I will do a retrieval on you).

But seriously, Alan. See past you limitations or don't; the choice is yours. If you don't understand the simple concept of the polarity of opposites, then you will see the world simplistically as black or white; good or evil; pleasure or pain; light or dark. But what about the grey, Alan? Ahhh.....there's the rub. Anyone who gives deep thought to yin and yang understands the continuum between "seeming" opposites. So if there is a continuum, what do we say about a "good man" who does many good deeds, but has a character flaw and cheats on his wife? Is he purely evil? Come now Alan, if he saves puppies, donates to charity, helps old ladies cross the street, but is an adulterer, would you brand him as a purely evil man? Well most would say he did "sin" but may be an otherwise good man who strayed?

That is what is meant by the polarity of opposites. There is a continuum. Just like the tide comes in and goes out. Just like there is day and night, but what about dusk and dawn? Is dawn day or night, Alan? Well it is not quite day, and not quite night. See, anyone who studies the natural phenomenon of opposites eventually realize that they are forms, and artificially separated in our minds. If you see past the forms, you see how one opposite has a little of the other in it. That is why the yin/yang black/white fish sign has a white yin fish with a black dot for an eye, and the black yang fish has a white dot for an eye. Because it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins, and each has the seeds of the other in it.

But if you prefer a simplistic approach, continue to preach. Yet you don't sound happy to me. You sound.......lost. Scared. And you try to take others with you.

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Reply #62 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:33am

DocM wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:58pm:

Alan, you don't discuss the topic, you ramble on like a bad preacher.

Read my posts. I am not saying God changes over time. I am saying that man is constantly trying to understand God. The bible was written in a certain place and time. At that time, the simple mind ascribed tragedies to God's wrath. The New Testament with Jesus, brought in another way of thinking of God as pure love. Jesus never speaks of punishing. More to tell you not to judge others less ye be judged. An ye, Alan are judging, so I hate to see where that line of thought goes (don't worry, I will do a retrieval on you).

But seriously, Alan. See past you limitations or don't; the choice is yours. If you don't understand the simple concept of the polarity of opposites, then you will see the world simplistically as black or white; good or evil; pleasure or pain; light or dark. But what about the grey, Alan? Ahhh.....there's the rub. Anyone who gives deep thought to yin and yang understands the continuum between "seeming" opposites. So if there is a continuum, what do we say about a "good man" who does many good deeds, but has a character flaw and cheats on his wife? Is he purely evil? Come now Alan, if he saves puppies, donates to charity, helps old ladies cross the street, but is an adulterer, would you brand him as a purely evil man? Well most would say he did "sin" but may be an otherwise good man who strayed?

That is what is meant by the polarity of opposites. There is a continuum. Just like the tide comes in and goes out. Just like there is day and night, but what about dusk and dawn? Is dawn day or night, Alan? Well it is not quite day, and not quite night. See, anyone who studies the natural phenomenon of opposites eventually realize that they are forms, and artificially separated in our minds. If you see past the forms, you see how one opposite has a little of the other in it. That is why the yin/yang black/white fish sign has a white yin fish with a black dot for an eye, and the black yang fish has a white dot for an eye. Because it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins, and each has the seeds of the other in it.

But if you prefer a simplistic approach, continue to preach. Yet you don't sound happy to me. You sound.......lost. Scared. And you try to take others with you.

I am not rambling you are with your opinion which you have the gall to present as facts!

If you do not want me on the forum just say the word and I will unsubscribe and go elsewhere.

By the way as far as I know I an the only one on this forum to actaly stick his neck out and prove I have real psychic abities.

Maybe you remember the remaraable resuluts of my remote viewing efforts a few years ago, or have you simly forgotten about it.

I think I might bring back the thread if I can find it, Remember the rug in your surgery office, which I other things or have you just selectively decided to overlook or not remember a real proved sixth sense ability, that seems to exist only in my in this forum of speculations, not actual real attempts to do the extraordinary like I do and can still do if I put my mind to it!

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Reply #63 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:44am

DocM wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:58pm:

Alan, you don't discuss the topic, you ramble on like a bad preacher.

Read my posts. I am not saying God changes over time. I am saying that man is constantly trying to understand God. The bible was written in a certain place and time. At that time, the simple mind ascribed tragedies to God's wrath. The New Testament with Jesus, brought in another way of thinking of God as pure love. Jesus never speaks of punishing. More to tell you not to judge others less ye be judged. An ye, Alan are judging, so I hate to see where that line of thought goes (don't worry, I will do a retrieval on you).

But seriously, Alan. See past you limitations or don't; the choice is yours. If you don't understand the simple concept of the polarity of opposites, then you will see the world simplistically as black or white; good or evil; pleasure or pain; light or dark. But what about the grey, Alan? Ahhh.....there's the rub. Anyone who gives deep thought to yin and yang understands the continuum between "seeming" opposites. So if there is a continuum, what do we say about a "good man" who does many good deeds, but has a character flaw and cheats on his wife? Is he purely evil? Come now Alan, if he saves puppies, donates to charity, helps old ladies cross the street, but is an adulterer, would you brand him as a purely evil man? Well most would say he did "sin" but may be an otherwise good man who strayed?

That is what is meant by the polarity of opposites. There is a continuum. Just like the tide comes in and goes out. Just like there is day and night, but what about dusk and dawn? Is dawn day or night, Alan? Well it is not quite day, and not quite night. See, anyone who studies the natural phenomenon of opposites eventually realize that they are forms, and artificially separated in our minds. If you see past the forms, you see how one opposite has a little of the other in it. That is why the yin/yang black/white fish sign has a white yin fish with a black dot for an eye, and the black yang fish has a white dot for an eye. Because it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins, and each has the seeds of the other in it.

But if you prefer a simplistic approach, continue to preach. Yet you don't sound happy to me. You sound.......lost. Scared. And you try to take others with you.

I am not rambling you are with your opinions which you have the gall to present as facts!

For a professional doctor, your Engish is appallingly bad, full of ambiguity, vague and does not make real sense!

Maybe at your medical school they did not teach you to write properly or maybe you are a reflection of America's poor schooling system ?

If you do not want me on the forum just say the word and I will unsubscribe and go elsewhere.

By the way, as far as I know I am the only one on this forum to actually stick his neck out and prove I have real psychic abilities.

Maybe you remember the remarkable results of my remote viewing efforts a few years ago or have you simply, selectively forgotten about it?.

I think I might bring back the thread if I can find it, Remember the rug in your surgery office, which I other things I got right or have you just selectively decided to overlook or not remember a real proved sixth sense ability, that seems to exist only for me in this forum of speculations, who are too scared, to not actual try and perform real attempts at the extraordinary, like I do and can still do if I put my mind to it?

Of course, that depends if you want me to leave, which would not bother me even one tiny bit?

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Reply #64 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:48am

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

I said I have read it from cover to cover 20 years ago, which is true, not that I've memorised it cover to cover- that would take many readings.

But you hav'nt answered my question: do you believe that the bible is categorically, 100% pure historical fact?

If I believed every word in the whole Bible was literal truth I would be a stupid idiot.

It was/is not 100% historical fact much of it originate from ancient myths of how God interacted with early true humans, such as the story of the Garden of Eden, which needs deep reflection to understand the true meaning of the "Story"!

Of course not, the universe was not made in just 6 literal days, it is billions of years old, the Earth is not just 6 thousand years old it is over 5 billion years old.

Noah could not have put all the animals even two of each on his ark, that is nonsense.

Numbers Chapter 31 is an appalling story of genocide, that is a fabrication, that was supposed to come from Almighty God to murder all the little boys, men, and woman that were not virgins and keep the virgin for themselves. And then to top it all loot and destroy everything.

This Chapter read exactly like a Nazi-led atrocity of WW2.

Read Numbers Chapter 31 and you will see how appalling it really is, and makes God into an evil psychopath.

I see real truth in the words and life of the Lord Jesus Christ, very little in the Old Testament, except maybe in the writing of Isaiah, who I believe was a real genuine prophet of God.

I hope that answers your question I am not an airheaded fundamentalist God gave me a good mind, to think for myself, and for me to use and reason with and my reasoning mind tells me much of the Old Testament in fabricated nonsense.

What I do like is someone to tell me the Kingdom of God is in all of us, if this were true, the ISIS monsters, Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer, child molesters paedophiles, serial killers, evil tyrants like Hitler, would have the Kingdom of gGod within them, which is absolute nonsense and outright blasphemy.

They do, however, have a King and he is Satan and please don't try to tell me Satan does not exist because he does and his greatest weapon against us to make us believe he does not exist

Their King makes the like of Hitler, by comparison into a sweet kindergarten kind-hearted, loving and caring good little teenage girl teacher.

They freely chose to do Satans will now have to live forever under the terrible domination of this mighty Being that is so evil that it is beyond human comprehension.

Their eternal destiny is everlasting separation from the Great God, in a place that is so cold, so remote, so dark, and so far from his love, where hate and evil dominate forever.

Blessings Alan

But that's my point Alan, the bible cannot, even in principle be objective truth. Even if it starts out as The Divine Word it comes to us after numerous translations and multiple copyings by scribes.This even applies to the New Testament where Jesus's Aramaic spoken words were translated to Greek then to Latin/English- the meaning of a whole sentence can hinge on how a word is interpreted and that's not taking into account that the gospels were compiled some years after Jesus had died (the first probably being Mark, an unidentified author, some 40 years after Jesus had died). That does'nt mean the bible has no value it just cannot be seen as pure, objective truth. If it were there would be one unambiguous version and meaning only and no need for any interpretation by scholars.

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Reply #65 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

I said I have read it from cover to cover 20 years ago, which is true, not that I've memorised it cover to cover- that would take many readings.

But you hav'nt answered my question: do you believe that the bible is categorically, 100% pure historical fact?

If I believed every word in the whole Bible was literal truth I would be a stupid idiot.

It was/is not 100% historical fact much of it originate from ancient myths of how God interacted with early true humans, such as the story of the Garden of Eden, which needs deep reflection to understand the true meaning of the "Story"!

Of course not, the universe was not made in just 6 literal days, it is billions of years old, the Earth is not just 6 thousand years old it is over 5 billion years old.

Noah could not have put all the animals even two of each on his ark, that is nonsense.

Numbers Chapter 31 is an appalling story of genocide, that is a fabrication, that was supposed to come from Almighty God to murder all the little boys, men, and woman that were not virgins and keep the virgin for themselves. And then to top it all loot and destroy everything.

This Chapter read exactly like a Nazi-led atrocity of WW2.

Read Numbers Chapter 31 and you will see how appalling it really is, and makes God into an evil psychopath.

I see real truth in the words and life of the Lord Jesus Christ, very little in the Old Testament, except maybe in the writing of Isaiah, who I believe was a real genuine prophet of God.

I hope that answers your question I am not an airheaded fundamentalist God gave me a good mind, to think for myself, and for me to use and reason with and my reasoning mind tells me much of the Old Testament in fabricated nonsense.

What I do like is someone to tell me the Kingdom of God is in all of us, if this were true, the ISIS monsters, Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer, child molesters paedophiles, serial killers, evil tyrants like Hitler, would have the Kingdom of gGod within them, which is absolute nonsense and outright blasphemy.

They do, however, have a King and he is Satan and please don't try to tell me Satan does not exist because he does and his greatest weapon against us to make us believe he does not exist

Their King makes the like of Hitler, by comparison into a sweet kindergarten kind-hearted, loving and caring good little teenage girl teacher.

They freely chose to do Satans will now have to live forever under the terrible domination of this mighty Being that is so evil that it is beyond human comprehension.

Their eternal destiny is everlasting separation from the Great God, in a place that is so cold, so remote, so dark, and so far from his love, where hate and evil dominate forever.

Blessings Alan

But that's my point Alan, the bible cannot, even in principle be objective truth. Even if it starts out as The Divine Word it comes to us after numerous translations and multiple copyings by scribes.This even applies to the New Testament where Jesus's Aramaic spoken words were translated to Greek then to Latin/English- the meaning of a whole sentence can hinge on how a word is interpreted and that's not taking into account that the gospels were compiled some years after Jesus had died (the first probably being Mark, an unidentified author, some 40 years after Jesus had died). That does'nt mean the bible has no value it just cannot be seen as pure, objective truth. If it were there would be one unambiguous version and meaning only and no need for any interpretation by scholars.

Focus on the words and life of Jesus try to emulate him as best you can, and the rest of the bible becomes redundant, does it not?

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Reply #66 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 11:28am

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

I said I have read it from cover to cover 20 years ago, which is true, not that I've memorised it cover to cover- that would take many readings.

But you hav'nt answered my question: do you believe that the bible is categorically, 100% pure historical fact?

If I believed every word in the whole Bible was literal truth I would be a stupid idiot.

It was/is not 100% historical fact much of it originate from ancient myths of how God interacted with early true humans, such as the story of the Garden of Eden, which needs deep reflection to understand the true meaning of the "Story"!

Of course not, the universe was not made in just 6 literal days, it is billions of years old, the Earth is not just 6 thousand years old it is over 5 billion years old.

Noah could not have put all the animals even two of each on his ark, that is nonsense.

Numbers Chapter 31 is an appalling story of genocide, that is a fabrication, that was supposed to come from Almighty God to murder all the little boys, men, and woman that were not virgins and keep the virgin for themselves. And then to top it all loot and destroy everything.

This Chapter read exactly like a Nazi-led atrocity of WW2.

Read Numbers Chapter 31 and you will see how appalling it really is, and makes God into an evil psychopath.

I see real truth in the words and life of the Lord Jesus Christ, very little in the Old Testament, except maybe in the writing of Isaiah, who I believe was a real genuine prophet of God.

I hope that answers your question I am not an airheaded fundamentalist God gave me a good mind, to think for myself, and for me to use and reason with and my reasoning mind tells me much of the Old Testament in fabricated nonsense.

What I do like is someone to tell me the Kingdom of God is in all of us, if this were true, the ISIS monsters, Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer, child molesters paedophiles, serial killers, evil tyrants like Hitler, would have the Kingdom of gGod within them, which is absolute nonsense and outright blasphemy.

They do, however, have a King and he is Satan and please don't try to tell me Satan does not exist because he does and his greatest weapon against us to make us believe he does not exist

Their King makes the like of Hitler, by comparison into a sweet kindergarten kind-hearted, loving and caring good little teenage girl teacher.

They freely chose to do Satans will now have to live forever under the terrible domination of this mighty Being that is so evil that it is beyond human comprehension.

Their eternal destiny is everlasting separation from the Great God, in a place that is so cold, so remote, so dark, and so far from his love, where hate and evil dominate forever.

Blessings Alan

But that's my point Alan, the bible cannot, even in principle be objective truth. Even if it starts out as The Divine Word it comes to us after numerous translations and multiple copyings by scribes.This even applies to the New Testament where Jesus's Aramaic spoken words were translated to Greek then to Latin/English- the meaning of a whole sentence can hinge on how a word is interpreted and that's not taking into account that the gospels were compiled some years after Jesus had died (the first probably being Mark, an unidentified author, some 40 years after Jesus had died). That does'nt mean the bible has no value it just cannot be seen as pure, objective truth. If it were there would be one unambiguous version and meaning only and no need for any interpretation by scholars.

Focus on the words and life of Jesus try to emulate him as best you can, and the rest of the bible becomes redundant, does it not?

I quite agree Alan, but I don't remember Jesus in the gospels talking about the dangers of afterlife exploration. You have described such exploration as dangerous, prohibited even - I still don't understand why you think this is so. It can't be because you are against the use of psychic abilities per se as others have attested to your remote viewing accuracy ....

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Reply #67 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:48am:

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 1:41pm:

I said I have read it from cover to cover 20 years ago, which is true, not that I've memorised it cover to cover- that would take many readings.

But you hav'nt answered my question: do you believe that the bible is categorically, 100% pure historical fact?

If I believed every word in the whole Bible was literal truth I would be a stupid idiot.

It was/is not 100% historical fact much of it originate from ancient myths of how God interacted with early true humans, such as the story of the Garden of Eden, which needs deep reflection to understand the true meaning of the "Story"!

Of course not, the universe was not made in just 6 literal days, it is billions of years old, the Earth is not just 6 thousand years old it is over 5 billion years old.

Noah could not have put all the animals even two of each on his ark, that is nonsense.

Numbers Chapter 31 is an appalling story of genocide, that is a fabrication, that was supposed to come from Almighty God to murder all the little boys, men, and woman that were not virgins and keep the virgin for themselves. And then to top it all loot and destroy everything.

This Chapter read exactly like a Nazi-led atrocity of WW2.

Read Numbers Chapter 31 and you will see how appalling it really is, and makes God into an evil psychopath.

I see real truth in the words and life of the Lord Jesus Christ, very little in the Old Testament, except maybe in the writing of Isaiah, who I believe was a real genuine prophet of God.

I hope that answers your question I am not an airheaded fundamentalist God gave me a good mind, to think for myself, and for me to use and reason with and my reasoning mind tells me much of the Old Testament in fabricated nonsense.

What I do like is someone to tell me the Kingdom of God is in all of us, if this were true, the ISIS monsters, Ted Bundy Jeffrey Dahmer, child molesters paedophiles, serial killers, evil tyrants like Hitler, would have the Kingdom of gGod within them, which is absolute nonsense and outright blasphemy.

They do, however, have a King and he is Satan and please don't try to tell me Satan does not exist because he does and his greatest weapon against us to make us believe he does not exist

Their King makes the like of Hitler, by comparison into a sweet kindergarten kind-hearted, loving and caring good little teenage girl teacher.

They freely chose to do Satans will now have to live forever under the terrible domination of this mighty Being that is so evil that it is beyond human comprehension.

Their eternal destiny is everlasting separation from the Great God, in a place that is so cold, so remote, so dark, and so far from his love, where hate and evil dominate forever.

Blessings Alan

But that's my point Alan, the bible cannot, even in principle be objective truth. Even if it starts out as The Divine Word it comes to us after numerous translations and multiple copyings by scribes.This even applies to the New Testament where Jesus's Aramaic spoken words were translated to Greek then to Latin/English- the meaning of a whole sentence can hinge on how a word is interpreted and that's not taking into account that the gospels were compiled some years after Jesus had died (the first probably being Mark, an unidentified author, some 40 years after Jesus had died). That does'nt mean the bible has no value it just cannot be seen as pure, objective truth. If it were there would be one unambiguous version and meaning only and no need for any interpretation by scholars.

Focus on the words and life of Jesus try to emulate him as best you can, and the rest of the bible becomes redundant, does it not?

I quite agree Alan, but I don't remember Jesus in the gospels talking about the dangers of afterlife exploration. You have described such exploration as dangerous, prohibited even - I still don't understand why you think this is so. It can't be because you are against the use of psychic abilities per se as others have attested to your remote viewing accuracy ....

Most of the Apostles had what one could call psychic abilities, the word they used was discernment or gifts of the spirit, which is really the same thing.

Jesus was a being with infinite supernatural abilities, today you might him the master psychic!

Psychic abilities are not inherently good or bad it is what yu do with them that really counts.

He said the things I do you can also do?

A point in case is that you can curse a person on the other side of the world from your location, and some unexpected disaster might happen to him, or you can bless him and good things might follow.

Quantum non-locality and interconnectedness hs led some scientist of excellent standing to suggest that in reality there is only one single fundamental particle in the entire universe, that exist, everywhere everywhen'

This particle could be the mind of God, who knows. I will search the web to find citation around this bizarre possibility.

The universe in not stranger than you think, It is stranger than you can think?

Our minds are not restricted to the confines of the physical body, such scientific discoveries indicate that our mind can expand to the outer limits of the universe

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Reply #68 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 12:24pm

Again, Alan all sounds very plausible and true to me - but what specifically it is that you have against afterlife exploration?, because nothing you have written here seems to contradict afterlife exploration such as obes. The evidence for psychic abilities, in general, is very strong and so you won't get any arguments from me about that. I can understand that one may want to exercise care when one is doing it, as you would travelling in a foreign land (maybe take a guide), but that would'nt put someone off travelling to another country - so why would we be put off investigating another reality?

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Reply #69 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Again, Alan all sounds very plausible and true to me - but what specifically it is that you have against afterlife exploration?, because nothing you have written here seems to contradict afterlife exploration such as obes. The evidence for psychic abilities, in general, is very strong and so you won't get any arguments from me about that. I can understand that one may want to exercise care when one is doing it, as you would travelling in a foreign land (maybe take a guide), but that would'nt put someone off travelling to another country - so why would we be put off investigating another reality?

We will have an eternity to explore the afterlife, but only after our in inevitable deaths and we should not be wasting our time on earth with things inscrutable and instead, we should savor each and every precious moment of our mortal lives in the confines of our mortal bodies.

The only way to truly know what comes after death is to die, everything else is just speculation?

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Reply #70 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Again, Alan all sounds very plausible and true to me - but what specifically it is that you have against afterlife exploration?, because nothing you have written here seems to contradict afterlife exploration such as obes. The evidence for psychic abilities, in general, is very strong and so you won't get any arguments from me about that. I can understand that one may want to exercise care when one is doing it, as you would travelling in a foreign land (maybe take a guide), but that would'nt put someone off travelling to another country - so why would we be put off investigating another reality?

We will have an eternity to explore the afterlife, but only after our in inevitable deaths and we should not be wasting our time on earth with things inscrutable and instead, we should savor each and every precious moment of our mortal lives in the confines of our mortal bodies.

The only way to truly know what comes after death is to die, everything else is just speculation?

That's a good question, why bother with this afterlife stuff?

Here are some examples I can think of:

- the mother wondering if her child killed in a hit and run is ok
-the man who's just been given the bad cancer diagnosis
-the woman who's fear of death blights her life
-the husband who has just lost his wife of 50 years
-the girl who just lost her best friend in a car crash
- anyone who fears the aging process

...In fact anyone who's mortal! I would say knowing where you are going helps you live fully in the present now without the fear that one strike and your out.

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Reply #71 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 5:39pm

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 3:31pm:

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 14^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Again, Alan all sounds very plausible and true to me - but what specifically it is that you have against afterlife exploration?, because nothing you have written here seems to contradict afterlife exploration such as obes. The evidence for psychic abilities, in general, is very strong and so you won't get any arguments from me about that. I can understand that one may want to exercise care when one is doing it, as you would travelling in a foreign land (maybe take a guide), but that would'nt put someone off travelling to another country - so why would we be put off investigating another reality?

We will have an eternity to explore the afterlife, but only after our in inevitable deaths and we should not be wasting our time on earth with things inscrutable and instead, we should savor each and every precious moment of our mortal lives in the confines of our mortal bodies.

The only way to truly know what comes after death is to die, everything else is just speculation?

That's a good question, why bother with this afterlife stuff?

Here are some examples I can think of:

- the mother wondering if her child killed in a hit and run is ok
-the man who's just been given the bad cancer diagnosis
-the woman who's fear of death blights her life
-the husband who has just lost his wife of 50 years
-the girl who just lost her best friend in a car crash
- anyone who fears the aging process

...In fact anyone who's mortal! I would say knowing where you are going helps you live fully in the present now without the fear that one strike and your out.

King David ofter losing his beloved little boy, put on sackcloth and ashes wept and mourned his passing for a week.

Then to the amazement of his subjects cleaned up washed and put back his royal attire.

The asked him " Mighty King" why have you stopped mourning the tragic death of your baby boy so early"/

His wise reply was "because he cant come to me, one joyful day I will go to him (After Davids own death)

Below are items from your post and my response to each one

- the mother wondering if her child killed in a hit and run is ok

"Jesus said blessed are the little children for of such is is the Kingdom of Heaven, she need not ask he is safe n the Arms of God.

If her child were a cannibal serial killer like Jeffry Dharma then it is a moot point he is in hell

-the man who's just been given the bad cancer diagnosis, not only cancer victims die we all die,

Tell him he is still alive and must make the best of his life because only God, will decide when he will actually die not his oncologist

-the woman who's fear of death blights her life

She needs faith in God only that will remove her fear of death. Jesus said when I have defeated the final enemy which is death I will hand everything back to the Father and we will become One

-the husband who has just lost his wife of 50 years.

That is not the end of his life his wife would want him to continue on without her and find new meaning for his existence Regardless they will meet again the moment right after his own death, it is just a temporary separation,not eternal

-the girl who just lost her best friend in a car crash

. Should you conjure up the ghost of her best friend to make her feel better, like all the others they will meet again

- anyone who fears the aging process

.I am over 75 years of age and have absolutely no fear of the aging process or of actual death' I feared death when I was much, much younger and am both resigned and peaceful about it now in my old age.

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Reply #72 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 6:16pm

I believe there are dimensions/levels of consciousness that are quite hellish. I've had dream remembrances of doing retrievals in these very dark places.

But, i don't think that people are sent there by an outside authority, but rather they are attracted to these places based on the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.

These places are not eternal either. If a consciousness there, gets sick of it, wants to change self for the better, etc, then Beings of Light help move them out of there and start the process of rehabilitation.

It is true that some cannot, or rather refuse to change and rehabilitate. I think some of these experience a true death/loss of self consciousnesses.

However, it's a harmful concept to think that God punishes people and sends them to eternal damnation. God does not wish or want that any Soul to perish, but wants all to come back to It's embrace. God loves all of us (we are parts of It) but respects freewill so much, that it will ultimately allow a self to destroy itself. However, every effort is provided to help reorient these back to the Light so that doesn't happen. This effort usually happens through Helpers that are attuned to God and Love in varying degrees.

Did not Yeshua himself, go to these hells and retrieve some of them? Does this not show that no matter how negative a being becomes, there is always the possibility for and hope of redemption?

If one understands the true nature of God and Christ, they would know that these Love the most depraved just as much as they love those who err little.

But God in It's great wisdom, though it gave freewill to all individualized parts of itself, also put into place some basic, universal Laws that determine how reality runs and reacts. The main one is Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like. This is the great reorienting force built into the system.

For when we choose that which is anti-Sourceness and Love, we suffer to the varying degrees we are not keeping in-tune with our core, original nature and with the core of (original) Reality itself.

Briefly speaking, non reality and our temporary games, distractions, and distorted beliefs/perceptions can be at first exciting, interesting, etc but for many, it eventually loses it's glamour and shine. Eventually most get sick of suffering and start to miss Home (our inner Source) deeply.

Eventually, most of us realize where we belong and where our true happiness can be found, and we become artists-- Co-Creators working with the Creator to expand Creation in ever unique ways.

In this sense, no negative, hindering, misleading, psychopathic being or groups of beings is any match for the Creator or Reality, these can only delay and distract and keep suffering going only for so long. Eventually though, Reality will win out because it's part of our essential, original nature.

We are as children growing up to eventually assume our God like nature, abilities, and roles because we came from God and we go to God the original, Creative Force/impetus. Truly God is both our Mother/Father, our lover, our friend, and part of us and us a part of God, and It does not wish any to perish for eternity. That's like hating/disliking your own finger, and God loves Itself completely--it has no room within Itself for self dislike or pettiness of any kind, except temporarily in those parts of Itself that it imbued with freewill/self awareness/unique individuality and which went astray. Even God Itself, didn't know exactly how this experiment would go, and what it's new, hoped for companions/children would choose. It's only when we began to exercise our choices, that God could start to see all possibilities of choice/direction for that particular Soul and the Whole.

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Reply #73 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 9:07pm

DocM wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:58pm:

Alan, you don't discuss the topic, you ramble on like a bad preacher.

Read my posts. I am not saying God changes over time. I am saying that man is constantly trying to understand God. The bible was written in a certain place and time. At that time, the simple mind ascribed tragedies to God's wrath. The New Testament with Jesus, brought in another way of thinking of God as pure love. Jesus never speaks of punishing. More to tell you not to judge others less ye be judged. An ye, Alan are judging, so I hate to see where that line of thought goes (don't worry, I will do a retrieval on you).

But seriously, Alan. See past you limitations or don't; the choice is yours. If you don't understand the simple concept of the polarity of opposites, then you will see the world simplistically as black or white; good or evil; pleasure or pain; light or dark. But what about the grey, Alan? Ahhh.....there's the rub. Anyone who gives deep thought to yin and yang understands the continuum between "seeming" opposites. So if there is a continuum, what do we say about a "good man" who does many good deeds, but has a character flaw and cheats on his wife? Is he purely evil? Come now Alan, if he saves puppies, donates to charity, helps old ladies cross the street, but is an adulterer, would you brand him as a purely evil man? Well most would say he did "sin" but may be an otherwise good man who strayed?

That is what is meant by the polarity of opposites. There is a continuum. Just like the tide comes in and goes out. Just like there is day and night, but what about dusk and dawn? Is dawn day or night, Alan? Well it is not quite day, and not quite night. See, anyone who studies the natural phenomenon of opposites eventually realize that they are forms, and artificially separated in our minds. If you see past the forms, you see how one opposite has a little of the other in it. That is why the yin/yang black/white fish sign has a white yin fish with a black dot for an eye, and the black yang fish has a white dot for an eye. Because it is hard to tell where one ends and the other begins, and each has the seeds of the other in it.

But if you prefer a simplistic approach, continue to preach. Yet you don't sound happy to me. You sound.......lost. Scared. And you try to take others with you.

Mattew you are Jewish and just believe Jesus was a nice Jewish boy at best or a fool at worst.

Your use of him is just a sort of patronization for those who actually believe he is the Christ or the Messiah.

And Jesus talks about punishment on numerous occasions, get your facts right, please

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Reply #74 - Apr 14^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

Alan,

First of all, I'd appreciate your not bringing in anything to do with my personal life to the forum and certainly not speaking for me (how dare you tell me what I think Jesus was or was not! It truly is none of your business, and not relevant to a discussion on the board). The best conversations will discuss the facts, and the facts alone. I have read the New Testament several times. I find it to be beautiful and compelling. I also love the Tao Te Ching, and several texts from other religions.

Read my posts, and leave my personal background out of it. In the gospels Jesus gives countless of instances where he asks his followers not to judge others. Let he who is without sin among you throw the first stone (they all put down their stones. Why?) Judge not, less ye be judged. In Matthew 5:38 "You have heard it said, an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."

I can cite countless other examples "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…

If you compare the rare instances in the gospels where Jesus speaks of punishment, it is not at all in the tenor of the Old Testament. Indeed with regard to one of his disciples taking up a sword in his defense and slicing an ear of a Roman soldier, he says "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword."

Alan, you should debate the issues. And refrain from speaking of me personally. If you notice, I am not one of those who speaks of your personal or private issues as others have done on the board. I will never take it there, and I'd appreciate your doing the same.

Matthew

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