Speaking of "Jesus", Alan referred to him as, "Infinite Eternal being." 

  Alan, aren't we all infinite, eternal beings?  While i have great love and respect for the one you call "Jesus", at the same time, i know and understand that in some core, fundamental ways he is no different than any of us.

   In some ways, he is just another child of the first and original Creator, like we all are. 

  The temporary difference comes in that he has had a pattern since he was created, of using his freewill in more wise and constructive ways than most, and in a consistent sense. 

  He was the first to consciously re-merge with God, "his Father" as he sometimes called God.  In doing so, he became a full companion and Co-Creator with God.  Many of our Spirits and their creation are the result of his working with the Creator.  You could say his is the Disk, that contains many of our Disks.  In that sense, he is many of our's "Source", but he is not The Source.

  As he has told us, and i will repeat, what he is and has become, we are and will eventually become too. But first, we must live and choose in a similar manner as him.  We have to attune to Love to the degree that he did before this world was created and did when he came into the world. 

    To call Jesus God, is in direct contradiction to what he himself taught and talked about.  He always referred to God as his "Father" (Abba), and spoke as if they were unique, individual, but very connected beings.  "I am One with the Abba" etc. 

  That is our destiny and heritage too.  To become one with the Creator. 

While they don't incarnate into the physical reality as humans born of women, there are others like Jesus out there.  Some of them serve as the Elders that many have perceived, whom we go before during our life reviews when we die. 

   Others, have created other Universes and Spirits/Disks to grow and evolve within those Universes/Multi-verses that are outside the boundaries of this one that we are in. 

   You over put him on a pedestal Alan and he doesn't want that.  To some extent, he has mildly chided me for putting him over much on a pedestal and i don't even go the fundamentalist route that you do.

   This is why the probable future and the development of the so called 2nd coming (he never really left, except briefly for those 2/3 days), it's planned that a few other individuals would attain to a similar degree of attunement to PUL while incarnated and also demonstrate that attunement materially in unmistakable ways to others (what some call "miracles"). 

  Only after these individuals have come forth and exampled similar to how he did 2000 years ago, will he come forth publicly again, and he will do so to tell the world that these individuals are the fruition of the promise he gave to us 2000 years ago, that if we lived and chose in the same manner as him, that we would become like him and do even greater works than he had when he was previously around publicly.

  This was not a promise given lightly Alan, but he was fully aware of the probable future(s) even 2000 years from his time, and knew some of his friends/co-workers would incarnate in our times to help in his and his Father's plan of retrieving humanity.

Alan,

Many references in the new testament mention that God is within each of us.  "The kingdom of God is within you."  JC, also in the NT tells his disciples that they may become like him, and do what he can do (miracles, etc.). 

In fact, many, myself included feel that it is man and his/her ego which artificially separates and distances himself from God.  This does not mean that each human being is all powerful; we obviously know this. 

We are not separate from the rest of the universe.  This is our insanity, while in a physical body, and it is the source for most of the suffering and misery we see. 


M

'God is not some sort of a grey-haired all forgiving Santa, although Gods prime attribute is Love, God said vengeance is mine I will recompense (Punish).

It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

God is a consuming fire'.


Alan- can I ask; where did you get your ideas about the true nature of God from? Is this something you read somewhere or something you worked out on your own?

Quote:


Alan, is it correct to say that there are strict rules to follow and no sloth (not the animal, or maybe, we will see) is tolerated? Cowards, unbelievers, murderers, the immoral, those who practice withcraft, idolators and all liars - their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. But with all the different translations available, cowards/the cowardly is replaced in some translations by fearful. You can then claim that you were no coward, merely god-fearing, but you are bamboozled by translation and in the sulfur you go.

Where in the bible does it say that the likes of Hitler will be tormented day and night forever and ever?

heisenberg69 wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 11:06am:

Man has been writing about and trying to understand his relationship with God for millenia.  In this context, people write down and understand what they know at the time.  A God of wrath may have made sense at one point in history.  How else to explain natural disasters?  Even in the modern era, a tsunami came a few years ago and killed 230,000 people.  Now rational science can explain how the tidal wave happened, but often man is one ascribe meaning to it.   So it was when the Israelites were forming their own nation.   God would either be described as "pleased" or "angered" depending on the outcome of events.  But was it God acting out of wrath, or man interpreting it that way (incorrectly). 

Some prophets were channeling God, so to speak and chastising Israel for losing their way.  So yes, there were times in biblical lore where people were urged to act righteously under threat of destruction.  The story of the flood is certainly an example of this.  But could the great flood have been a natural disaster without wrath, and could man have interpreted it as wrath (and written it down in the bible).  You see my point.

In the new testament, JC (Yeshua) speaks of another path. But how can this be?  How can the wrathful God of the old testament be reconciled with the Nt?  Perhaps it has to do with man's ability to understand himself.  You can only write down your understanding of events.  So while biblical events may be divinely inspired, they were written, and rewritten by men, who had understanding appropriate to their day and age. 

Sometimes, I think people find what they expect to find.  If the firey wrathful deity is your cup of tea, you may just find what you expect.  Our perceptions are, afterall, limited by our belief systems. 


M

DocM wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm: