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Reply #15 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 3:07pm

Recoverer, your insights into Jesus Christ are interesting. I encourage you towards where they prompt you.

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Relevant to the cross:

These posts one to nine, describe one out-of-body experience researching human conflict. Post six describes the origin of the cross. The preceding and latter posts are sociological effects of it.

https://lacecurtain.wordpress.com/?s=current+world+conflict

And this.

https://lacecurtain.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/616/

There are more that I intend to put up one day, but for now that is it.

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Reply #16 - Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

1796:

I read your blog about Jesus etcetera before. I believe I give more credit to people who do compassionate things without believing in Jesus than you do.

I will say that I've always been a compassionate person, but energetically I am significantly more alive and connected to Source than I used to be. Having an open mind about Jesus played a role in becoming open in such a way.

I can't say with one hundred percent certainty what he is all about. I can say that I've had not only the experiences I shared but others that involve him. Some people might say that they are just a play of my imagination that is due to my belief systems, but they occurred in a way where prior beliefs didn't seem to be a limitation. It was matter of being informed on how things are.

I'm not into channeled sources, but there are a couple of sort of channeled sources that I like. Not the kind where a spirit speaks through a person's body, the kind where people receive information from a spirit telepathically, as I do.

One such source is Margaret Twedell's book "Witness from Beyond." Another is Geraldine Cummins books "The Road to Immortality" and "Beyond Human Personality." (she received information from Frederick Myers). These books speak as if Jesus was/is the manifestation of God.

Another book with channeled information that seems okay to me is Rosalind McKnight's "Cosmic Journeys." This book speaks as if Jesus brought love to this world. In this case a being did speak through Rosalind's body.

When I had my Night in Heaven experience I was an ex-Catholic who didn't believe in Jesus etc. During this experience, while I was like in an expanse of spirit space, I was quite surprised to find that the story of Jesus was basically true. I say basically, because I didn't receive details that I could compare to Bible verses. Whatever the case, what I experienced felt very positive, not negative as fundamentalist Christianity can sometimes feel.

It could be that some people are resistant to the idea of Jesus because they are resistant to authority. That part of their free will resists. Perhaps there is a way to think of divine authority that isn't repressive and limiting.

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Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 2:05pm

recoverer wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

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It could be that some people are resistant to the idea of Jesus because they are resistant to authority. That part of their free will resists. Perhaps there is a way to think of divine authority that isn't repressive and limiting.

How is the Jesus concept repressive and limiting?

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Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 2:47pm

It's repressive if presented in a "you better believe or else" way. There is no way a person/soul can respond in a wholehearted way if fear is one of the motivating ingredients. A decision that is truly worth making is a joyous decision to make.

So perhaps there is a way to be in line with divine will, without fear being a part of the formula.

1796 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

recoverer wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

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It could be that some people are resistant to the idea of Jesus because they are resistant to authority. That part of their free will resists. Perhaps there is a way to think of divine authority that isn't repressive and limiting.

How is the Jesus concept repressive and limiting?

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Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 3:19pm

In an earlier post on this thread 1796 claimed that everyone in the westernized world is somehow Christianized and has a cross on their forehead and will be judged by it. The trouble with these posts is that they are complicated and difficult to understand. As far as I can tell, going by the bible that so many insist is the gold standard of truth, Jesus didn't speak to people this way. His message was simple.

Also, people are so fixated on the idea that Jesus is the only person, the best person, the only one who ever did anything so heroic and sublime, the best teacher and communicator ever, etc. etc. etc. To me it is obsessive. As if there was never another human being who has been at his level of spiritual development.

How do any of you know? Humble people are...humble. They don't show off their good deeds, thoughts or words everywhere they go.

Also, women everywhere are encouraged to make themselves less seen, heard and understood by many religious leaders. This, in itself, is an obstacle to progress in our societies.

Nevertheless, an interesting discussion.

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Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

recoverer wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 2:47pm:

It's repressive if presented in a "you better believe or else" way. There is no way a person/soul can respond in a wholehearted way if fear is one of the motivating ingredients. A decision that is truly worth making is a joyous decision to make.

So perhaps there is a way to be in line with divine will, without fear being a part of the formula.

1796 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 2:05pm:

recoverer wrote on Dec 14^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

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It could be that some people are resistant to the idea of Jesus because they are resistant to authority. That part of their free will resists. Perhaps there is a way to think of divine authority that isn't repressive and limiting.

How is the Jesus concept repressive and limiting?

"you better believe or else" - or else what?

Who says that? and what's the threat you are implying?

"There is no way a person/soul can respond in a wholehearted way if fear is one of the motivating ingredients."

I don't have an aversion to fear. It is a natural realisation of possible detriment, and a natural energiser and motivator.

Many of my times of best decisions and progress were done in fear.

Do you mean the fear that motivates us to go to work and earn money so we don't end up homeless? and doing a good job so we don't get the sack? taking precautions in dangerous situations so we don't get injured or injure others? driving on the right side of the road so we don't have a head on collision? treating our family well so we don't lose their respect?

By the way, you frequently talk in insinuations and inferences, without specifics, you don't cite references or quotes, you imply things without saying them outright, and dispute positions that others don't hold as if they do hold them.

Look at your posts on this thread for several examples. Look across other threads and see more examples. All of which is fine. Its your problem, no one else's.

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Reply #21 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

1796:

Regarding insinuations, somewhere on this thread I had in mind how you don't seem to be tolerant towards liberals and atheists. My reason for concluding this isn't based on what you said on this thread alone, but also elsewhere. You said things that makes it seem as if you don't think much of such people. I'm not going to search around for such statements. Anybody who has read your posts for a while probably knows about such statements.

Regarding "you better believe or else" some fundamentalists basically say that you better believe as they do or you'll end up in hell for all of eternity. Your statement "But too bad for them, like or not, every western soul is Christianised and carries in its heart and on its forehead the cross of Christ. And will be judged by it" reminded me of such a way of thinking.

It seems to me that you are way off when you when you minimize how much some non-Christians live according to love. I know of lots of people who have demonstrated true kindness towards others without thinking of themselves as Christians. I wouldn't be surprised to find that you think poorly of them in order to feel better about yourself.

If you want some frank talk, I wish that a person who refers to Christ as much as you do would have more of a Christ like attitude towards people who believe differently than you.

People who speak in a fundamentalist way sometimes do more to turn people away from Christ rather than towards him.

Do you really believe that Jesus views atheists, new agers and liberals in the same way that you seem to do so?

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1796 Senior Member Offline Posts: 440	Re: What is the real status of physical life ? Reply #22 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 8:07pm That sort of talk is what I mean. You're being an idiot.
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Reply #23 - Dec 15^th, 2015 at 8:17pm

If it is idiotic to take exception to when you speak of atheists, liberals etcetera as you have done on more than one thread, then so be it.

I believe it is quite insulting for you to speak as if there is nothing genuine about their love.

1796 wrote on Dec 15^th, 2015 at 8:07pm:

That sort of talk is what I mean. You're being an idiot.

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Reply #24 - Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

I don't really like hearing anyone called an idiot on this forum. But, that's just me, I guess. I consider name-calling abusive. It is not harmless fun, even if a person can simply choose to ignore it and walk away. I'm speaking from personal experience.

Also, regarding the appreciation of fear that 1796 expressed. Perhaps it is a good and helpful advantage for us in certain circumstances, but in general it is toxic to the body and can cause people to overreact to situations that could be handled more calmly.

I think it is okay for us to express opinions here without making it a contest about who is right. Sometimes people just comment on posts as a way of clarifying their own thoughts, and it's not personal until people make it that way.

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1796 Senior Member Offline Posts: 440	Re: What is the real status of physical life ? Reply #25 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 7:33am Seagull, you talk like you are scared of having unpleasant emotions.
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seagull Senior Member Offline ALK Member Posts: 269 land sea sky Gender:	Re: What is the real status of physical life ? Reply #26 - Dec 28^th, 2015 at 12:02pm That's your opinion. Enjoy your opinion if you like it. Desire for a more peaceful world does is not fear.
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Reply #27 - Dec 29^th, 2015 at 1:03am

I haven't been on the board much of late. It is a shame that 1796 descends into name calling and the like. One thing any reader gets from Albert's posts is his sincerity. If you disagree with him, you can say as much without disparaging him.

I too am not too happy with those who are a fan of JC and then present mandatory hoops to jump through and raise the fear of damnation if he isn't acknowledged in a certain way. The gospels were about love; love of God (what is good and what is true) and of one's fellow man. There is no blueprint for how one must worship God. JC may have been the light and the way, but I believe as Albert stated that good loving people, who act without ego, and show love for others and to God are fulfilling the spirit of the gospels whether they go to church regularly or invoke JC by name. JC wasn't big on names in the gospels as I recall, calling himself the son of man, etc. In my opinion anyone who dismisses good hearted non-christians as being damned is completely missing the point of the good book. But I won't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me.

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Reply #28 - Dec 29^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

Doc, thank you for the positive words about me.

DocM wrote on Dec 29^th, 2015 at 1:03am:

I haven't been on the board much of late. It is a shame that 1796 descends into name calling and the like. One thing any reader gets from Albert's posts is his sincerity. If you disagree with him, you can say as much without disparaging him.

I too am not too happy with those who are a fan of JC and then present mandatory hoops to jump through and raise the fear of damnation if he isn't acknowledged in a certain way. The gospels were about love; love of God (what is good and what is true) and of one's fellow man. There is no blueprint for how one must worship God. JC may have been the light and the way, but I believe as Albert stated that good loving people, who act without ego, and show love for others and to God are fulfilling the spirit of the gospels whether they go to church regularly or invoke JC by name. JC wasn't big on names in the gospels as I recall, calling himself the son of man, etc. In my opinion anyone who dismisses good hearted non-christians as being damned is completely missing the point of the good book. But I won't call anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me.

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Reply #29 - Dec 29^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

Seagull:

Thank you for speaking up about the idiot part.

seagull wrote on Dec 16^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

I don't really like hearing anyone called an idiot on this forum. But, that's just me, I guess. I consider name-calling abusive. It is not harmless fun, even if a person can simply choose to ignore it and walk away. I'm speaking from personal experience.

Also, regarding the appreciation of fear that 1796 expressed. Perhaps it is a good and helpful advantage for us in certain circumstances, but in general it is toxic to the body and can cause people to overreact to situations that could be handled more calmly.

I think it is okay for us to express opinions here without making it a contest about who is right. Sometimes people just comment on posts as a way of clarifying their own thoughts, and it's not personal until people make it that way.

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