Similar to what others wrote on this thread, years ago I had OBEs with all the effects, this no longer happens because it is no longer necessary. I believe that in some cases such effects happen initially because our higher self wants to help us become aware of what is going on.

I must say, I do somewhat miss the experience of doing things like flying through energetic tunnels while fully awake. It was exciting to see what would happen next. It was interesting to be aware of my physical body and flying around at the same time. The sound effects were cool.

1796 said: There is nothing to fear in astral travel; nothing at all, despite appearances and despite the silly stories you might read about reptilian predators and other supposed evil influences in the astral worlds.

Recoverer responds: What if your Oversoul told you about such a thing? Is it just being silly? What if it told you that you don't have to be afraid of such things as long as you choose love? Is it being silly then?

Some might say that talk about Oversouls is nothing but silliness. Is such talk silliness simply because someone hasn't found out about Oversouls?

I would like to add that before a person becomes too aware of unfriendly beings, he (or she) best not have any similar tendencies such as enjoying disparaging others.

A number of years ago I was sitting in my easy chair reading a Robert Monroe book. The book said something about aliens and I laughed at the suggestion that they interact with this Earth. Right then I heard a crackle sound, looked up, and with eyes open saw a funny looking alien swoop towards me.

This wasn't an actual alien. Rather, my higher self had me see such an image with the intent of saying, "Are you serious Albert? Do you really believe that aliens aren't involved with this Earth? You ought to know better than that. Look inside and see if you can remember some of what you know within the depths of your Soul."

Some people are open to the possibility that aliens interact with this World.

Fewer are open to the possibility that some of these aliens might be unfriendly.

Fewer yet, are open to the possibility that such aliens might look like reptilians. Perhaps this is a human ego thing. They figure that if an intelligent alien doesn't look like a human, it shold at least look like a mammal.

Well considering that Reptilians are supposed to be cold-blooded attitude wise, perhaps it makes sense that they look like a cold blooded animal. 

There are people at my work who probably believe it is a joke when I say I communicate with spirits. Some of them might think, "what a preposterous thing to believe." A day will come when they will realize that it is really quite odd that so many people doubt spirit communication since after all, we are in truth spirits.

But that's the human game. We forget about the things we knew before we incarnated. Perhaps we knew that unfriendly aliens interact with World. Perhaps even Reptilians. I wonder who will get the last laugh on this subject.

Re. spiritual defence

The only devil we need be concerned about is that part of our self that would have us disobey our conscience.

The same may be said about supposed evil aliens or anyone or anything else that might detrimentally influence us, whether psychically or otherwise.

All detrimental influence, all threats to our spiritual development, come in through the part of our self that would have us disobey our conscience. So what we need to attend to is clear.

Physical threats are, of course, a different matter. They are dealt with physically, but even then, conscience and sensible judgement should govern. 

1796:

One way or the other, I agree with you. Regardless of what is out there, we get to choose how we want to be. Listening to our conscience is a key part of this.

I once had this OBE. I woke up and felt something holding me by my back in a way that hurt. Then I very quickly traveled to a place very far out in space.

An unfriendly alien took me to a dance, led the dance, and held my back in a way that hurt. I told this alien, "I'm commited to God, love and the happiness of all beings, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about this!" The experience imediately came to an end.

I don't believe that I was actually abducted by an unfriendly alien. After all, it would be rather silly for an alien to take me to a dance. Rather, my higher self created this experience in order to make the point that as long as I choose a positive way of being, nothing can hurt me, not even an unfriendly alien.

Being physically harmed is another thing, but that won't effect your Soul unless you let it.


1796 wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 1:54am:

I'm reposting my post below because I just read what BillB just said

"For example: Recoverer writes about an experience AFTER reading Bob's book "..heard a crackle sound, looked up, and with eyes open saw a funny looking alien swoop towards me...this wasn't an actual alien...."  So an actual alien wasn't actually observed.. higher self saw it.  But you didn't see it prior to reading the book.  Every see kids have nightmares after seeing a scary movie?"

Below I presented another example of an imaginary alien experience. Perhaps my two examples on this thread show that I am able to tell when an experience is imaginary. Yet I still believe that it is very possible that unfriendly aliens interact with this Earth. Why? Because I've had experiences and received information in ways where it was clear that something more than my imagination was involved.

When you have an experience it is important to consider the context and timing. It is possible for such factors to occur in a way where you know that more than your imagination is involved.

I've also had experiences that involved Jesus. Some people will say that such experiences are also a matter of interpreter overlay, imagination, and so on. Sometimes they are overly quick to come to this conclusion because they are AFRAID to see that perhaps there is some  truth to the Jesus story, and that perhaps unfrienly beings exist.

If they are limited and misled by such fears, then they are going to have a very hard time finding out what Jesus is about and whether unfriendly beings interact with this World, because their higher selves and guidance won't be able to help them become aware of the existence of such things.

The interpreter overlay thing can be a two-edged sword if we use it as a defense to not become aware of things we don't want to become aware of, so it is important to take care when considering to what extent it is a factor during an experience.

 

recoverer wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2015 at 12:36pm:

I am not trying to point out specific individuals, other then to use various statements to illustrate the problem here, as I see it.

You are correct, or I do agree with you, in the statement - if I may paraphrase you - that it ultimately boils down to Intuition and one's spiritual capacity or maturity.  However, that is a tricky business as a result of "mis-guidance" or outright deception.  Like yourself I do rely on inner and outer guidance so to speak.

In pursuit of that notion, I wish to separate out ideas and tangents from the Internet that contribute to the mixing up and confusion of guidance.  I like to use the Reptilians because they are an example of that confusion.  I think it is important to ask for actual evidence since they are part of our physical plane.  The Tall Whites, the Small Grays, etc.. at least there are so called documented witnesses that pertain to the debate about them, along with 40 other species if one accepts what some Disclosure groups say.. though the topic is not about aliens here.

Here, in the case of the "astral" stuff, I would say that there is a plenum of opinions that are simply derived from what's popularized on the Internet.  As a result I question those that quote others who "presume" to know" Truths about that or those dimensions if I may call them that.  Bold statements should be referenced.

With respect to OBEs, actually I am not a big advocate of them because I wonder if, for many, OBEs are simply an expression of a desire to escape; could do acid I suppose - and some build religions around that.  I think OBEs are one of those odd phenomena out there that lead some to bigger questions and perhaps experiences of their own that lead to more questions and hopefully developed spiritual development, but what is "spirituality" for that matter?

In my first response to Kran, I simply responded to his question, provided examples of some of "my" experiences that I don't presume represent global or Universal Truths, or even methodologies.  Note I also asked him what realm is he trying to explore.  And in sum, suggested he search for himself.  I wonder at the people that go to TMI to get their OBE and why they are so preoccupied with "that" experience.

I do agree with you that ultimately for individuals it boils down to Intuition (inner guidance, outer guidance); and in another thread I believe I wrote about human emotion being linked with that.  That we believe our Intuition or gut feelings based on the strength and quality of our emotional response evoked; warm fuzzy feeling=truth, bad feeling=wrong or eveil.  As a result of that, I am cautious of simply deriving my own (T)ruths based on how I "feel" about them because I have found my feelings to be wrong regarding certain things I've encountered - presuming the whole Universe somehow is in sync with my emotional fabric.  And should I really conclude that because some "guides" "appear" loving that they are trustworthy?  I asked that question because I have encountered impostors who were not in fact looking out for my interest. Some I have been able to spot, others have caught me off guard.  In fact I've just been on a weeklong diversion due to such lying beings that appeared to be legit.  So I do use Intuition, but I also rely on my common sense without simply depending on the depth of the feeling to tell my gut that this seems right.  There are opposing forces that are high skilled at derailing one from purpose, based on my experience and actually I have a few decades on ya Justin.

My concern is that one should "beware" in the nonphysically perceived world.  It is completely subjective and there are all sorts of things with their own agendas.  Just because one asks for protection does not mean one is in the clear to blindly accept what any "guide" or whim of thought passing through one's mind states.

There is an old phrase from the more esoteric Christian world - Beware of Angels of Light.  They do not represent Light at all.

In the case of Kran's question, my concern here is how careful are we all about what we presume to say.  Are we speaking from experience or repeating some Internet New Age Dogma that has not survived the test of time?