Actually, maybe I should phrase it like this.  Perhaps the beings you met - that did not appear to appreciate the divine majesty of man - have been observing man for thousands of years and are quite familiar with the facts of our history, and they just don't summarize man the same way that we would like.

Again, not personally referring to you, just man in general.

recoverer wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:


Oh yes.
Love is the draw of God.
And is the light and warmth of God that drives all existence.
And heals and puts things right.
That is majestic. 

Justin said: "But, the groups that fall under the latter are very much akin to our human "psychopathic" types.  They really lack attunement to emotion, empathy, and love. Intellect often feels fairly "neutral" at first."

Recoverer responds: The aliens I spoke of earlier, had a feeling that relates to what Justin said above. As Tom Campbell did but right away, I broke off contact because it felt as if they didn't understand about values such as respect and love for others, and therefore would use their otherwise very capable intelligence to accomplish what they want regardless of who it hurts.

The question is, why did BillB not get the same feeling from the beings who lacked emotion? I don't know.  It is odd that such beings claim to be the creators of this World. There could be some deception involved.

If I read what BillB said correctly, beings that feel like love encouraged BillB to make contact with the emotionless beings. Why? I don't know. Perhaps so he could get to the point where he can find that there are beings to be weary of.  Perhaps so he could share PUL with them as Bruce did with beings that didn't know about PUL.

It could be that there are beings that lack emotion, yet somehow they don't manifest in a negative way.

I believe it is important to be careful about the everything is relative viewpoint.  If I started insulting people on this forum in a really negative way, I doubt that a "everything is relative" defense would work. Love and the positive ways of being it leads to, are beyond the everything is relative mindset. Therefore, it is valid to hold the beings we make contact with to a love-based standard. If they are ignorant of love-based values, this doesn't make their non-accordant way of being acceptable.

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Tom Campbell does an excellent job explaining how Consciousness works, including our perceptions when exploring the non-physical.  Your experience above makes me wonder if you are not encountering a database of information and the "beings" you've encountered are the interface between you and the "database" of information.  Interfaces such as this are created to help us understand as well as provide us opportunities to interact with non-physical realities.

If you're interested, TC has lots of YouTube videos and his website has tons of written information.  His book can also be read free on Google books.

  I usually have a hard time perceiving, very clearly and in a detailed manner, the guidance that i'm in touch with because they are very expanded. Being connected to a human body has a limiting effect on my perceptual capacity.

  Usually, i only get snippets of information at a time. Lot's of times it feels fairly "vague", like an almost forgotten dream.

    One of the things though, that i can pick up from them fairly clearly much of the time, is their positive, love based intentions and essence/radiation. Yet, in other ways, they feel more detached than humans.  It's not so much a cold detachment that some humans emanate, but more of a deep peacefulness/calmness. It's sort of like myself in my best states or moments, but intensity times 10.

   What we term "love" has been in and a part of the Source from the point before It decided to spark off, individualized, freewilled aspects of itself. 

  The parts or aspects or sparks etc., that chose love (and thus conscious Oneness with Source and the Whole) as well, ended up becoming Co-Creators.  There are now, many Co-Creator Beings.  There are realities completely outside of the boundary of this one, with their own Creator Being responsible for same.  In our Uni/mult-verse, the Disk that projected the being we called "Yeshua" (Jesus) was the Co-Creator of this reality. Some might call this Being our "Source", but It's not "The" Source. A child of The Source. 

   As far as positive and negative go, while it's true that the whole process is pretty much invariably going towards the conscious Oneness state, even the "higher" Beings are not always so cavalier towards suffering that invariably happens when consciousnesses choose non reality and non Sourceness.

  Those same expanded Beings in cahoots with my Expanded self gave me a glimpse of a possible (not probable) future of humanity wherein we did not grow from the various, multi-leveled changes taking place in our system, but instead allowed ourselves to be overly influenced by a negative E.T. group. 

  It was not pretty, and i was not shown this for cavalier purposes.  They wish to prevent this, they want us to wise up and prevent this. 

  But how can you prevent something that 1., you're either not aware of or. 2. people view in a cavalier, nonchalant manner? 

  At one point, i went through a phase where i saw positive and negative as quaint and archaic concepts. Certainly, it's not the whole truth, but now with a lot more experience and direct guidance from beings much more expanded than myself, i've learned that both concepts have pretty much equal validity. The Oneness, "non duality" side, as well as the positive-negative duality side. 

  In our reality, the huge majority of consciousnesses are within the positive-negative duality, and suffering is real, and affects even the Co-Creator Beings at the core of Source.  It affects them enough, that they are active in guidance and trying to facilitate/nudge their siblings into the same super expanded states that they are in. 

They do not force the process and they respect freewill greatly, but they are still working towards that tipping point state that individualized consciousnesses can reach, where they can become so "positive", as to seemingly transcend the positive-negative duality (and forever after in most of their cases so far, from what is suggested to me, with some rare retrieval exceptions to the rule). 

  As regards outer sources, it's true that paying too much attention and having too much attachment to outer sources can become a hindrance, but what amazes me about the process and path i've been on, is that as i have my own experiences or receive certain guidance messages, i tend to find more commonalities between myself and outer sources that seem more verified and expanded than not, as time goes on. 

   If we don't ever check our data against others, that's just as potentially limiting as the other extreme where we only ever rely on other's data.  There is a certain amount of humility in looking at others data and info in an open minded but skeptical way.

   Where you tend to find more commonalities between various seemingly unrelated sources and the guidance you directly receive or formulate, i would suggest tends to run to deeper, more universal, more core and less distorted data or "truths". 

   Now, if a bunch of higher level sources all essentially agree on something, but then self's own experiences or guidance is rather different, then there are a couple of possibilities.  One, you're broken through to a level that these other prior sources haven't, OR more likely in most cases, you're either getting data from more limited sources or not particularly interpreting the data well. 

   Now, wouldn't we all like to think we are the former kind of folks--the pioneers of pioneers, but statistically speaking, not probable in the least.

After all, this little system and these human suits, tend to attract not particularly evolved consciousnesses in the grand scheme of things.   

  In fact, to my knowledge, only ONE Co-Creator Being (as such, meaning had already moved into that role prior to incarnating as a human) so far has ever directly come here and incarnated as a human, and that was purely for retrieval purposes, and even He needed multiple dives to fully master these modified monkey suits.

   Even your more run of the mill former expanded E.T. types are somewhat rare in the grand scheme, and we're getting many more of these of late and in the near future, than we have in a rather long time (millions, as opposed to thousands or less in the past). 

   



   

 

   

I'd like to add something to the post I just wrote.  If in some way, perhaps during meditation, a person makes contact with Source level of existence, such a person will find that altruistic ways of being exist and that such ways are definitely more preferable and primary to ways of being that don't consider the value and welfare of others.

A concept of being non-judgmental and being non-judgmental aren't the same thing. I've found that some people, in their attempt to be non-judgmental, won't allow themselves to think of anything in a critical way. Instead, they start speaking as if it's all relative and everything is okay.

When a non-judgmental attitude comes from a deeper place, a person will be able to be aware of that which is negative, without being a judgmental person.

BillB, I'm not a person with a lot of psychic ability, so I can't say what you're all about. It seems as if you have good intentions and your efforts and willingness to explore non-physically are wonderful. It could be that by the time you are finished with this lifetime, you'll find that you helped a lot of Souls with retrievals and such. Perhaps even more than you are currently aware of since some retrieval activity can take place while asleep, and you seem to be a retriever kind of Soul.

I said what I said on this post and my last post not because I have a definite viewpoint of what you are all about. It is just that some of the things you said brought to mind the fact that sometimes people don't choose to be concerned enough about the unfriendly influences that exist.  Sometimes this occurs when people try to manifest in a non-judgmental way before they are more completely non-judgmental in an inward sense. It is sort of like, you don't have to fake self-confidence when you are self-confident.

Sometimes people are quick to laugh at the whole Reptilian thing.  If they looked into in more they might find that there is some basis to it. I don't know if such beings actually look like reptiles. That could just be an image they present.  The unfriendly aliens I spoke of didn't present a Reptilian image.  They presented a goofy image that didn't seem intimidating. It probably had nothing to do with what they look like.    

Bill-

Yes discernment is essential as we navigate through life.  It's integral to the exercise of judgment.  Those who say we shouldn't judge are unwittingly also tossing discernment out the window.

I suspect refusing to judge goes hand in hand with fear of offending.  Appeasement never works...just ask Neville Chamberlain.

R

Not presuming to state a definition, but for myself I view discernment as an aspect of intuition; for me a type of seeing - see things for what they are.

I'm not sure that to discern necessarily implies a judgement, and I think discernment extends beyond encounters with individuals; it may be seeing into the meaning of a situation.

Recoverer, my responses aren't a retort to your thoughts.  I'm largely using things people are mentioning as notions to sound ideas back off of.  My initial report on my experiences at Lifeline was largely a quick sketch of the main aspects of the experiences; to give folks the flavor of what Lifeline may be like.  I did not take the time to fully elucidate the experiences since that would have required considerable space.  I see there are some reactions to what I wrote likely because I was not completely clear.