Seagull:

The work that I do is quite mundane. I view it as a way to pay the bills. I don't believe that I am in this World for my own sake. I'm here to provide the help I provide.

Seagull responds (see, I copy you!): Okay. It seems that the woman you talked with who had the emotional reaction to what you said was willing to have a more personal relationship with you, so maybe she is not the only one. Just a thought.

[During the past 5 years there have been 4 women at my work that showed an interest in me including the above lady. I couldn't sense that our life purposes are compatible and I didn't want to get involved with them only to have things not work out in the end.  It would we be nice if we could just be friends, but sometimes people are all or nothing. The lady above is a fairly open minded Evangelical Christian. I don't believe I can tell her about everything that takes place in my life. It might be a bit much for her.]

(Seagull responds (2): I don't tell people I work with everything and I generally don't discuss spiritual or political matters. What I do is let my interactions be natural and friendly and based on what they are interested in that day. Simple things. That's all that's really needed and builds a friendly rapport over time. No one I know wants to be all wrapped up in other people's lives if they are busy at work and they have their own interests. I think that's fine. I'm not saying that people at work can meet your needs in a larger, more personal way, just that the work environment could possibly be improved by simple pleasantries and a genuine interest in others which doesn't cross the boundaries of what they consider "normal" interactions.)

<Because I wrote a couple of books and have an internet site I told a couple of people I work with that I did so. It seemed funny to not say anything. If they look at my books and site they would find out that I communicate with spirits, so I figured that I might as well tell them. It was also a matter of helping two of the ladies that were interested in me understand why I am not available in the usual way.  While I am in bed the spirits I help come to me.  How many women would be comfortable with this? Plus energetically I can't be connected to a lady while I help with retrievals. For me, being able to provide such service is more important than any pleasure-based thing I could do.>

I help with retrievals in an energetic way. Stuck spirits first find me and then they find my connection to the light. Often I feel streams of energy as this process takes place. When I see the spirits with my eyes open they look like points of light. Sometimes I can hear them. I often feel their energy by me.

Seagull responds: When you hear them, what do they say? I guess I am asking for a more "individual" account of what you are experiencing rather than a generalized one. When did you realize you could do this, and how did that come about?

[This is a long story. I started doing retrievals the Bruce Moen way. Then I switched to my way. At first I didn't understand what was happening, but eventually my spirit guidance let me know in various ways. Only the unfriendly retrieved spirits say things and what they say isn't nice. Other wise I hear the noises that are made by the non-human spirits that are helped.]

(Seagull responds (2): That wasn't a long story at all....Are you hearing voices as if a person or entity is actually next to you in the room or are you "sensing" voices during deep meditation? Some people speak as if they can do retrievals while sitting at a lunch counter having a sandwich -- or I seem to recall Bruce Moen writing that he could after a while, that he didn't have to always be in a "proper" meditative state. I personally have not been able to do that. I don't often do retrievals, as I find it to be an experimental activity, a learning process. I don't understand why someone would spend so much time doing that because I don't understand why someone would believe their purpose in life here on earth is to spend so much of it involved in this kind of afterlife activity.)

<I can hear them without being in a deep state of meditation. I pretty much feel connected to my spirit self even as I walk around. I'd like to add that even though on an earlier post I wrote that I hear what unfriendly spirits say, I can also hear what friendly spirits say. But not more than a sentence at a time. Friendly spirits mainly communicate to me with symbolic visual images. Sometime they communicate to me as a retrieval takes place so I'll better understand what is going on.>

If their energy needs to be cleansed they merge with me so the light energy I'm connected to can cleanse them. Sometimes their energy feels bad at the beginning, but by the end of the cleansing period I feel love and peace.

Seagull responds: What do you mean by "cleansed?" Why is it that they don't just go "into" the light? Why is this process necessary?

[It isn't necessary for all spirits, just some. The spirits that are really caught up in a state of darkness and confusion need to be cleansed so they can open up to the positive influence of the light.]

(Seagull responds (2): What do you mean by "cleansed?" Is it a process? I'm trying to understand what you are actually doing. You have spent years on this forum and not shared individual retrieval experiences here. I am not saying that you must, but you are on Bruce Moen's forum and if you are advising people on an almost daily basis and at times being quite active debating them it would seem important, in my view, for you to expand on your own individual activities so that people would know where you are coming from. Otherwise they might assume you are doing Bruce Moen's method. Actually, it must be very confusing for people who come here to read all this material on these forums and not know who is actually doing what, how it is related to Bruce Moen's materials, or what people's personal motivations are here.

<I started out with Bruce's method, but eventually switched to the method I use. For some helped spirits negative thought energy gets cleansed by light energy. This enables a stuck spirits vibration to increase enough so it can perceive a higher level of being. Bruce wrote of such cleansing when he wrote about Sylvia getting cleansed. When I read that portion of Bruce's book my spirit guidance had gold light appear over the words so I would receive a confirmation of how I help. I guess you can say that I channel positive energy.

I don't write about this much at this forum because for one I am not completely free of the ego tendency of wanting to brag.  I make a point of keeping in mind that I wouldn't be able to help in the way I do if it wasn't for the higher levels of being that are involved in the process. I keep in mind how very fortunate I am to being living the kind of life I am living. I keep in mind how less fortunate the spirits I help are, and how they are making a bigger contribution to the process the Oneness is going through because they've taken on more difficult incarnations than I have taken on. I keep it in mind how much help I have received from my spirit guidance.

Despite the fact that I am alone much of the time I feel that I am a very fortunate person. Fortune wise I rate my life a 10. While in this World we can't expect everything to be perfect, so I'll deal with the being alone part. In a way it is good that I am alone much of the time because this fact provides my Soul with a challenge. It has provided me with more motivation to find out where love really comes from.>

Regarding using other methods, I also started out with Bruce Moen's actual cds, which are great, and they cover some different kinds of meditations. However, I found his retrieval recording to be a bit too fast paced for me and, once I knew the method, I found that I could do this using other meditation aids. However, as I said, it has never involved a significant amount of my time and never will. If it interferes with other things which might enrich your life, that might be something to consider.)

As I said on an earlier post, going by the messages I received there are a lot of spirits that need help.