Perhaps some people will like what this Near Death Experiencer says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7HRaKFgWw

recoverer wrote on Mar 18^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:


Another North American Con-Artist who is well read on others NDE's! All you have to do for people to believe you is to put others near death-experiences, mixed into your NDE, which is nearly always false, but they will believe you because they have previous written 'NDE's', so called verifications from other NDE liars in your posts. Prove It!? Carl..Blessings and Love In Christ.      

Re: video nde accounts
Although I occasionally enjoy hearing these videos, I find it more helpful, personally, to read written accounts which are answers to the same set of questions by researchers. This helps me to see patterns in responses and to avoid some of the longer social "messages" which could be projections from these people's own belief systems.

I find specific answers to specific questions easier to understand and more believable, especially when read in sequence. There are several sites which are updated frequently and I take my own suppositions, for the most part, from them and not videotaped messages, book writers or public speakers.

I do enjoy reading some of the historical writings which are occasionally referenced here at this site, though. I'm not saying this or other accounts are useless, but I kind of agree with another poster on a different thread that some of the expanded accounts that people give are difficult to accept at face value.

I didn't really get much from this person except for a rather rambling account of his past and a tedious call for social action which doesn't say anything new or bring any real insight into social issues.

I guess I don't really want to get into a point by point, NDE by NDE critique. I just wanted to make a general point.

And I may not be giving this person the credit he deserves. It's just my own impression.

I know that what is real for each experiencer is real for them, and I have no problem with them sharing what they know or feel to be true.

Sure, people make mistakes, from any perspective you might describe. It's happened to you, me and everyone at some time or another. But, I don't dwell on those kinds of things because it keeps me from moving forward. It's almost always better for me to take more responsibility for my own life and my own choices, good or bad -- "turning poison into medicine"  -- and leaving what doesn't work behind. Gotta go now, take care.

seagull wrote on Mar 19^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:


  I understand what you are saying, agree, and think it's a good general philosophy and approach. 

  Sometimes, people carry wounds around, and usually fear and attachment is at the core of it.

    I don't think this the case with me, for me, it's more of a detached pragmatism which includes even some caution.  The same kind of caution and pragmatism that says, "Don't step out in front of a bus moving at high speeds."   There will most likely be an obvious, not sought after or wanted, consequence if i do something like that. 

   I think it's helpful to be aware of limiting or misleading forces, for similar reasons, but spiritually--and ultimately, i consider spirituality and ones spiritual growth much more important than anything else, even including the well being of the body. 

  In my case, the last time this little probe was in the Earth, there were some not so loving people who wanted me out of the scene.  They came up with a pretty clever and manipulative plan to do so.  I fell for it, hook line and sinker.  This ending up causing not just me a lot of problems and pain, but also negatively affected many others because i was very involved with large groups at the time.

    This could happen, because i was too trusting and naive when it came to people's dark side, or bigger dark forces outside of humans (who had had a hand in all this too).  I wasn't discerning enough.  If i had been, i wouldn't have let myself get hoodwinked.

     For obvious reasons, i don't ever want to fall into another manipulative trap that leads me off the spiritual path or negatively affect others, and so i do spend some time trying to discern others intents, motivations, and quality of energy.  This and other experiences taught me a valuable lesson, don't ignore or repress the shadow side of reality.

  There is a quote from Yeshua's teachings, which i think says it very well and sums it up nicely-- speaking to those who wanted to grow spiritually and be helpers to others: "Therefore, be wise* as serpents/snakes, but as harmless/innocent as doves."

  *i think what was really meant, was not so much wise as we usually think of it, but more meant to be a combo of clever, shrewd, and aware/observant. There are those references again to serpents/snakes.