Wow Doc!

With a limited number of paragraphs you said a lot.

Without getting specific, I believe there is a lot of accuracy in what you said.

I don't want to have to reincarnate. If I do so it will be only for service oriented reasons. Of course, that's what I say while here in the World. Perhaps I'll feel differently when I return to the spirit World.

I say this while basically believing that reincarnation doesn't exist to the extent some people state. Rather, Soul Group members share their experiences with each other so repeated incarnations of any one Soul isn't required.

I don't plan to hang out in Focus 27 for long after I die. I plan to hook up with Source as soon as possible.

I'm trying to do so while incarnated in the body.  Even though I can experience love and peace while in this World, I am not able to do so to the extent that a spirit being does. I don't think my physical body could handle that energy level.

I'm thankful that I can have my daily moments when I can feel divine love and peace. Such times are the only times when I feel really good.

Perhaps if I got better at not doing things such as stressing when I have a big workload while at work, I'll do better. My main stress at work is that I'm responsible for a number of things that have to be done correctly, and if they aren't, I could get fired.

Perhaps that's just my imagination. I've been working at the place I work for more than 20 years.

Doc:

I get what you’re saying. Please excuse me if I don’t address every point you made. I say that without knowing what I’m going to say next. Here goes.

Regarding the Unity thing, I’m pretty much alone most of the time. There have been ladies that have shown an interest in me, but because of how I help with retrievals I can’t get involved with them.

For a while each night before I went to bed I would think of how I’m alone. In a way this isn’t natural because our goal state is one of Oneness, not separation.

When I would feel like this a part of my mind would think “I need a lady friend.” Then I would go to bed and meditate before falling asleep. Pretty much every time I would experience divine love and peace. The feeling of aloneness would go away.  When I feel this love and peace I take note of the fact that I don’t need anything else.

With that in mind, I look forward to the day when I can rejoin God and the beings who are with him.  Things like watching TV, even though they are enjoyable to some degree, leave me with an empty feeling.

I don’t feel aloneness like I used to, but occasionally I still do.

to Carl:

Not sure what you DO stand for or believe in, it just seems like you like to pick other things apart

but hey, it is your life

Matthew

This general topic is so relevant, yet it is difficult to know how to start a conversation on this, because there is no clear direct question, and certainly no clear answer.

I feel like no matter what "source" I look to, that there is something I don't get about why I am here, and I think that I have to be "over there" to get it. I say that because there is often a feeling that the thought processes work differently over there. This is mentioned in various sources; Anita Moorjani's mention of it was clear. Maybe we just don't get to know until we put it all together, usually at the end (ie when we get to leave the earth cycle).

But maybe experiencing the Humanist view is a necessary component of reaching the Unity view (I think you are implying the Unity is more "advanced"....or is that my prejudice?)

I appreciated what you wrote below because I hit a place like this before I developed a career and wrestling with the questions did pull me away from remaining fully in the game, though it didn't stop my ego from wanting to be in the game. At least you are in a good place financially and career-wise that you can be a little on automatic drive. I don't advocate playing the game but not having money etc to survive the culture can be a real problem.


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this is such a topic! but I have to quit writing now. I hope others will comment

Seagull,

I don't think it is all or nothing, but it sort of dawned on me that some factions of NDErs report councils of elders, Focus 27, distinctly a humanesque approach toward evolution, whereas others spoke of transcending the human mindset and being part of a greater whole, be it "Source," or whatever name is chosen for God.  There is more than one way to progress.

Carl,

I actually do think you contributed to the thread in your own way, and that you weren't just insulting.  Carl, believe it or not, I believe my thinking and heart are more in line with Jesus and the gospels than you think.  I believe in God's love, in turning the other cheek, in loving one's enemies, in blessing those who hate you.  What is more important, Carl?  To declare oneself a christian, but not act like one, or to not belong to a church but follow the heart of the gospels?  I'll leave that for you to figure out.

JC spoke of everything that is discussed in New Age thought.  Seek and ye shall find, knock and the door will open, and use your faith to move a mountain.  This is another way of discussing the power of faith, conviction and will to manifest in the real world.  JC did say that the only way to the Father is through him.  To many, that means through the heart of the teachings of the gospel, not through an anthropomorphic being to worship.  So many don't get that.  They feel that going to church and invoking scripture guarantees them a place in heaven.  How shocked they are to find that how they treat others and express love while alive is what really counts! 

You lambast Bruce, myself and others and in so doing you go against the very heart of the doctrine you want to live by!  You ask why predictions are not brought back.  They are, Carl.  I can quote from several NDErs who foresaw events that took place, with hits or misses - but why do so?  The future is a database of possibilities and probabilities.  Christian devotees have made many future predictions which did not come to pass.  None of that has relevance on what our true nature is, or whether there exist realms of thought/consciousness/soul in the afterlife.

But Carl, the idea that I dislike you is truly off base.  I dislike your negative comments about posters and explorers, because, well, I think that is not what this forum is about.  I do enjoy when you post comments that are remotely related to the topic, even if they are uniquely yours.  Because then there is something to talk about.


M

Related to what Kathy said below, I'm not one hundred percent certain, but going by some of the experiences I've had, the afterlife is set up in more than one way. It is a matter or what each Soul needs in order to evolve. Therefore, a specific description of the afterlife might not be completely accurate.

Lights of Love wrote on Mar 13^th, 2014 at 10:45am:

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Actually this is the underlying question

What will we accept as proof?

(The history of science is full of different answers to that...)

So what methods do you use to develop Christ Conciousness and how well do they work?  and what do they produce?

I feel like I learn more about that from various other sources, such as NDEs, than I do from churches. Of course, the proof is experiential rather than objective, so the only way to prove it is to experience it.

All in good time, I suppose.

but I don't mind reading various and even contradictory tour guides to this planned trip to darkest Africa, or darkest inner space.

or maybe it is even analagous to a trip to Boston. Some tourists will visit Quincy Market or the North End, or Bunker Hill, some will ride the Swan boats, or go to the top of the Pru, or go out to Concord green, and, because all those experiences are different, it may not sound to the people back home that they are visiting the same city, or area, but they are. But how do you prove that?  You go for yourself and ride the T or drive to all those places. But at the same time, you believe the stories you hear until they are proven incorrect.

But it is even more complex than that. So if several different people go to the same place, say Bunker Hill monument, they will take with them their own ideas about what is important in life or on tours, and they will come back with different information. One will count the steps to climb the monument, or enjoy the view after the climb. Someone else wilL remember the ranger's (the guide) stories about how Sam Adams was a rebel rabble rouser (even without the beer) or how the battle went or why it was fouhgt, another will recal the stories about hwo Boston city employees got a holiday out of the whole thing (Bunker Hill Day). And depending on what is important to the person back home (their belief system) when they go they will look for other things too. Are we going to argue about who really went to the Bunker Hill Monument?

Maybe what is missing is a deeper understanding of the idea that your beliefs form your reality. How literally can we take that statement? Maybe in "heaven" it is more literal than it is in physical reality, since here we seem to be bound by some basic rules and assumptions that I don't think would exists on the other side. In that case, what is true and honest?

      Matthew, you seem to be working on the basis that Nanci's perceptions are completely or mostly correct, or rather extrapolations from some of her experiences/memories.  Her info seems to form the primary basis of your Unity faction.  Personally i sense some gaps and some interpretive distortion in her info, though i think she is sincere and did have the experiences.

    It's interesting to look at her psychology, and some of the contrasts between her experiences and perceptions.  On one hand, she mentions that she felt kind of crappy or disappointed in self about having lived a not so positive human life to the point of her NDE, but then she goes on to talk about how it doesn't matter too much what we do or don't do (how we choose), because we are all One, completely loved, accepted. 

  Well, i do agree with the latter, but not so much the former.  It very much does matter how we use our freewill, and is it possible that some human (and limited, stuck) part of Nanci kind of shifted some of the emphasis off the important, active, Yang part of evolution and went with the more comforting, Yin aspect of it's already there and done? 

Perhaps this was partially a way of dealing with those disappointments in self?  In any case, once you bring back info to the body, it starts to get filtered, and is bound to experience some distortions unless we have become a pure channel of PUL and are fully attuned to Source. 

   What's interesting about Nanci is, from what i gather and perceive, is that she comes from a rather mature Disk, one wherein she had already graduated and moved out of the total ELS (with it's nonphysical dimensions too), and was hanging out in some rather expanded consciousness states. 

  She seems to have come back here for helper reasons, and not out of limiting attachment, addiction, karma to work out, etc.  In a more simple way of saying it, she had already reached a certain level and purity of Love and didn't have any need for the ELS for that kind of growth. 

   From what i understand, there is only a smallish percentage of people who are incarnated during these times, of which this applies too.   

    Yet, once she got back here and starting living her in human life, she kind of went off the path of her old soul origins. I think to our inner soul and core, this is more upsetting than perhaps she indicates. 

It's not that i think her perceptions are completely off, but rather that she has shifted the emphasis too much, and to me seems to be related to coping with certain knowledge about self. 

   Or, to be more brief, she tends to be overly polarized to the Yin side.  This is not uncommon for consciousnesses working through a female body.   Yin relates to Oneness, and it's the still, receptive side of consciousness (which is why women tend to be more strongly psychic and intuitive then men--speaking only as a trend).  Yang relates to individuality, and relates more to the active, growing, changing side of consciousness. 

   If she was like He/She of Bob Monroe's book, don't you think that perhaps maybe some of her emphasis and perceptions might change a bit?

   In reality, there are not two distinct factions, but it's interesting that your factions do seem to correspond with both right and left brain differential concepts, and with Yin (Feminine) and Yang (Masculine) differential concepts some.  But in reality, they are not separate, but part of a whole.

  The fact that you perceive them so distinctly perhaps indicates that you haven't yet fully re-merged/reintegrated these within self, which isn't saying anything bad because 99.9 % of us haven't more fully remerged these yet in a consistent, constant manner like a He/She.

  There is a way to overcome these perceptual limitations a bit, while in the body.  By directly attuning self to those levels of expanded guidance, and having them temporarily help raise you up (metaphoric speak) while still connected to the body, and getting info direct from them.  There likely will still be some distortion, but less than other means of perceiving information.

It is interesting that Nanci was able to go as far as she did during her NDE despite a specific religious background. It could be that before her NDE somewhere within her Soul she had the wisdom to understand that no limiting dogmatic way will lead to truth. This inner knowing might've trumped any limiting belief system she picked up during this lifetime. By inner knowing I mean her pre-incarnation level of wisdom gained, rather than basic Soul knowledge.

Matthew,

The wonderous gift that Bob Monroe gave us I've always felt was the knowledge that each of us could get our own answers through our own direct experience...and that it was so much easier to do than previously thought. The only thing that drove me nuts was he never really explained how to do his new way of exploring consciousness in his third book, his 'going within' and refocusing his attention elsewhere, instead of the difficult and often misleading OOBE. I was carrying around my bag of various religions and beliefs but it always felt like I had puzzle pieces I couldn't really fit together. But Bruce did figure out what Monroe was doing and thank God he shared it.

Have you been able to find time, even 10 minutes a week, to do your own exploring, using Bruce's Focused Attention method? I don't mean to presume you haven't and sorry if I have, it's just that I was astonished at how much I began accessing and learning from being able to find out for myself.


Much love,

Ginny

Doc,
I think I resonate with Lights of Love on this, and her interpretation (I think) that the humanist "faction" is more an evolutionary path to the unity of the disk. Its almost like the mechanics of the soul maturing. But its also a place of choice, where one can stay if one so desires, even when our soul has developed beyond the needs of the physical/non-physical helpers. Our earthly yearning to grow closer to  spirit seems to be the prime mover earlier in our spiritual journey. Later, the power of PUL as it is realized, ignites our soul and accelerates the process. I think Focus 27 and its environs are the engine room of the mechanics of our soul.

  Yes, Bruce's methods overall are excellent.  Mucho gracias to this Disk who projected Bruce and Bob, two helpers in the flesh who have given us a number of great tips and pointers. 

  Regarding classic OOBE's.  Rosalind McKnight's main guide labeled "Ah So" by Bob Monroe, had some very enlightening things to say about various means of exploration and of classic OOBE's.  Outlined in her book "Cosmic Journeys" which one can read for free on scribd

    Interestingly, he seemed to say that classic OOBE's was a limited way to explore, and tied in to slower vibratory levels within self as a trend. 

   This point was driven home to me with my own experiences.  My only classic OOB experiences happened during a period in my life wherein i was much more slower vibratory than usual.  In human terms, during this period, i was more selfish, overly grounded (such as wrapped up in/over attached to sexual energy), and egotistical than usual (i know, i know, HOW is that possible?   . 

   This is not to discourage people from classic OOBE's, but rather pointing out that often, they are kind of like training wheels to explore and really believe in the reality of the nonphysical.

    It goes even beyond that Matthew.  Expanded guidance has confirmed to me the truth that a few sources like McKnight's guidance, Cayce's guidance, and some others talk about (Monroe's He/She is an example), that our Spirit can so infuse and imbue our Soul and the human body with Light and PUL Consciousness, that one experiences truly what it's like to be "in the world, but no longer of it." 

   Meaning, one can appear to have a physical body, with all it's seeming attributes of interaction with others in this dimension, but not bound by any of the seeming rules of same.

  It's interesting that the Bible talks about how in the further past, a number of individuals lived a very, very long time in physical.  In light of what i've received and what some of those outer sources i respect and trust more than not talk about, i take this literally now. 

  In other words, one can so align and merge the seeming "outer", with the seeming "inner" that the illusion of difference and separation between the two, falls away.  Because in reality, there is no physical and nonphysical, there just is Consciousness vibrating at various different frequencies for lack of a better description.  Once self raises all aspects of self back to the original frequency, the Source frequency (fastest vibratory/most expanded), then all these limitations or seeming separations fall away for self, but self can still interact with those yet stuck in same.

   I think this is a major goal for many Disks in the "retrieval" of the physical.  I think this is why that Monroe was shown that in the further future, most humans alive will be essentially He/She types with no former limits.

  Once enough have reached this, then onto to become what Source created us to be, full and fully conscious Co-Creators and companions with same.