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Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 11:59am
 
      Matthew, you seem to be working on the basis that Nanci's perceptions are completely or mostly correct, or rather extrapolations from some of her experiences/memories.  Her info seems to form the primary basis of your Unity faction.  Personally i sense some gaps and some interpretive distortion in her info, though i think she is sincere and did have the experiences.

    It's interesting to look at her psychology, and some of the contrasts between her experiences and perceptions.  On one hand, she mentions that she felt kind of crappy or disappointed in self about having lived a not so positive human life to the point of her NDE, but then she goes on to talk about how it doesn't matter too much what we do or don't do (how we choose), because we are all One, completely loved, accepted. 

  Well, i do agree with the latter, but not so much the former.  It very much does matter how we use our freewill, and is it possible that some human (and limited, stuck) part of Nanci kind of shifted some of the emphasis off the important, active, Yang part of evolution and went with the more comforting, Yin aspect of it's already there and done? 

Perhaps this was partially a way of dealing with those disappointments in self?  In any case, once you bring back info to the body, it starts to get filtered, and is bound to experience some distortions unless we have become a pure channel of PUL and are fully attuned to Source. 

   What's interesting about Nanci is, from what i gather and perceive, is that she comes from a rather mature Disk, one wherein she had already graduated and moved out of the total ELS (with it's nonphysical dimensions too), and was hanging out in some rather expanded consciousness states. 

  She seems to have come back here for helper reasons, and not out of limiting attachment, addiction, karma to work out, etc.  In a more simple way of saying it, she had already reached a certain level and purity of Love and didn't have any need for the ELS for that kind of growth. 

   From what i understand, there is only a smallish percentage of people who are incarnated during these times, of which this applies too.   

    Yet, once she got back here and starting living her in human life, she kind of went off the path of her old soul origins. I think to our inner soul and core, this is more upsetting than perhaps she indicates. 

It's not that i think her perceptions are completely off, but rather that she has shifted the emphasis too much, and to me seems to be related to coping with certain knowledge about self. 

   Or, to be more brief, she tends to be overly polarized to the Yin side.  This is not uncommon for consciousnesses working through a female body.   Yin relates to Oneness, and it's the still, receptive side of consciousness (which is why women tend to be more strongly psychic and intuitive then men--speaking only as a trend).  Yang relates to individuality, and relates more to the active, growing, changing side of consciousness. 

   If she was like He/She of Bob Monroe's book, don't you think that perhaps maybe some of her emphasis and perceptions might change a bit?

   In reality, there are not two distinct factions, but it's interesting that your factions do seem to correspond with both right and left brain differential concepts, and with Yin (Feminine) and Yang (Masculine) differential concepts some.  But in reality, they are not separate, but part of a whole.

  The fact that you perceive them so distinctly perhaps indicates that you haven't yet fully re-merged/reintegrated these within self, which isn't saying anything bad because 99.9 % of us haven't more fully remerged these yet in a consistent, constant manner like a He/She.

  There is a way to overcome these perceptual limitations a bit, while in the body.  By directly attuning self to those levels of expanded guidance, and having them temporarily help raise you up (metaphoric speak) while still connected to the body, and getting info direct from them.  There likely will still be some distortion, but less than other means of perceiving information.
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Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 12:46pm
 
Thanks Justin,

Interesting take on things.  No, my Unity faction wasn't really based just on Nanci; more that her experience was certainly emblematic of that of other Unity thinkers, such as Buddhists, Taoists, etc.  Bruce's concept of a disc is more in line of the Unity thought process.

And I don't really believe there are two factions on a bigger picture, but we get "authoritative" advice from some bent on the humanist side, and from others on the Unity side of the coin.  For instance, past life regression therapists often talk about helpers, planners, councils of elders, all involved in redirecting souls to reincarnate and "get it right" for spiritual evolution.  Bruce and others took trips to Focus 27 where there are human-like centers to review massive amounts of data, or to just manifest reality - again, a humanist type of mindset.

Then there is the experience of Nanci and other NDErs, who expand their consciousness immediately without going through the humanist angle.  For them, there is no necessary council of elders, or Afterlife human-like convention centers.  They merge with Source directly after dying. 

So, I don't really think there are divisions set in stone, just that when we die, we can choose how to approach our new consciousness, either as a human-like experience, or, if we are closer bonded to Soure/God, in a unity.  It may be related to our knowns/knowledge or advancement of spirit. 

But certain sources (M. Newton), give what seem like authoritative versions about what happens when you die.   And it seems clear that there are different experiences to be had. 


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Reply #17 - Mar 14th, 2014 at 1:03pm
 
It is interesting that Nanci was able to go as far as she did during her NDE despite a specific religious background. It could be that before her NDE somewhere within her Soul she had the wisdom to understand that no limiting dogmatic way will lead to truth. This inner knowing might've trumped any limiting belief system she picked up during this lifetime. By inner knowing I mean her pre-incarnation level of wisdom gained, rather than basic Soul knowledge.



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Reply #18 - Mar 15th, 2014 at 12:09am
 
Hi Matthew,

Thank you for the further explanation. I think i understand better what you were trying to say, and see that i mis-understood some of it earlier. 

    I would suggest that maybe the difference that sometimes is experienced, is a combo of what an individual's needs are, and also related to consciousness maturity.   

    It may be that very mature consciousnesses tend to bypass a lot of the "adjustment" phases in the nonphysical.

    One thing i would stress, though this is not directly related to what you are talking about, is that reunion or remerging with Source is not something that we have to wait for until we phase into other dimensions/levels of consciousness. 

   It is very much open to us while connected to a body, and i think perhaps that achieving same while connected to a body is important, though not necessarily necessary.
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Reply #19 - Mar 16th, 2014 at 4:16pm
 
Matthew,

The wonderous gift that Bob Monroe gave us I've always felt was the knowledge that each of us could get our own answers through our own direct experience...and that it was so much easier to do than previously thought. The only thing that drove me nuts was he never really explained how to do his new way of exploring consciousness in his third book, his 'going within' and refocusing his attention elsewhere, instead of the difficult and often misleading OOBE. I was carrying around my bag of various religions and beliefs but it always felt like I had puzzle pieces I couldn't really fit together. But Bruce did figure out what Monroe was doing and thank God he shared it.

Have you been able to find time, even 10 minutes a week, to do your own exploring, using Bruce's Focused Attention method? I don't mean to presume you haven't and sorry if I have, it's just that I was astonished at how much I began accessing and learning from being able to find out for myself.


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Reply #20 - Mar 16th, 2014 at 5:26pm
 
Hey Ginny,

I meditate about 4-5 days a week.  No expectations with it, and mostly, I get into a focus 10 state of extreme relaxation and confidence.  That state is good for stating intent and manifestation, though Monroe went deeper and had further focus levels which he associated with being out of body.

The thing I have found on my own is that there should be no goal to leave the body with classic astral travel.  The whole astral phenomenon is really a wonderful analogy, and it is a misconception to think that we must lift out of our bodies to explore.  All exploration is internal, whether we recognize it or not.  I think that is what you were referring to by "going within," right? 

So yeah, I meditate, usually with a theta or delta binaural beat pattern from youtube, or hemisync tape from TMI, depending on my mood.  How about yourself?

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Reply #21 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
Doc,
I think I resonate with Lights of Love on this, and her interpretation (I think) that the humanist "faction" is more an evolutionary path to the unity of the disk. Its almost like the mechanics of the soul maturing. But its also a place of choice, where one can stay if one so desires, even when our soul has developed beyond the needs of the physical/non-physical helpers. Our earthly yearning to grow closer to  spirit seems to be the prime mover earlier in our spiritual journey. Later, the power of PUL as it is realized, ignites our soul and accelerates the process. I think Focus 27 and its environs are the engine room of the mechanics of our soul.
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Reply #22 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 6:46pm
 
Matthew,

Yea, that's what I believe regarding the OOBE. Some may see it differently but I don't think it's necessary for exploring alternate realities. As a matter of fact I think a lot of fear has been generated about afterlife exploration because of fear-based manifestations created by OOB practitioners.

Before attending one of Bruce's workshop but after reading his first book I started experimenting, using the preparatory process from the TMI tapes/CDs your're talking about. Once I was relaxed, distractions were left behind and I was protected from being influences by others (it was important I believed that)...I ended up floating in a luxurious blackness, several times, waiting for someone to come--to do what, I wasn't sure (lol). I had no idea how to use nonphysical senses so I thought I was alone, doing something wrong. All that black was bewildering. I remembered Bruce talking about creating his own place in F27, so on my next jaunt I placed the intent to be there (got more blackness but I trusted the workings of my intent), imagined a city park I loved as a kid and walked into it. It not only became a safe place to become acquainted with being in the nonphysical, but it served as a launch pad as well for turning unknowns into knowns and having more fun than I could have imagined.

Bruce's Focused Attention method (Monroe's Phasing) is basically what I've been using with good results. Understanding how to use my imagination and intent was a game-changer.


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Reply #23 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:10pm
 
  Yes, Bruce's methods overall are excellent.  Mucho gracias to this Disk who projected Bruce and Bob, two helpers in the flesh who have given us a number of great tips and pointers. 

  Regarding classic OOBE's.  Rosalind McKnight's main guide labeled "Ah So" by Bob Monroe, had some very enlightening things to say about various means of exploration and of classic OOBE's.  Outlined in her book "Cosmic Journeys" which one can read for free on scribd

    Interestingly, he seemed to say that classic OOBE's was a limited way to explore, and tied in to slower vibratory levels within self as a trend. 

   This point was driven home to me with my own experiences.  My only classic OOB experiences happened during a period in my life wherein i was much more slower vibratory than usual.  In human terms, during this period, i was more selfish, overly grounded (such as wrapped up in/over attached to sexual energy), and egotistical than usual (i know, i know, HOW is that possible?   Wink

   This is not to discourage people from classic OOBE's, but rather pointing out that often, they are kind of like training wheels to explore and really believe in the reality of the nonphysical.
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Reply #24 - Mar 17th, 2014 at 11:43pm
 
Good points, Justin and Ginny,

I think of it this way; our true nature is consciousness unbound.  To think that we must pull ourselves out of a physical body into an astral one is to perpetuate the myth of a body at all.  Our consciousness is only bound by and to a physical body because we have chosen to be so bound.  But what do we learn on earth?  That bodies age, and wither away.  All "things" must pass in the ELS, but not our soul/spirit, which is consciousness unbound.  Why free yourself from a physical body to travel in the illusory earth plane in a new illusory astral body?  It is only a tool, a stand-in if you will for our true consciousness or spirit. 

So yeah, I think astral fans may be missing the point, but perhaps we get to the same place eventually?

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Reply #25 - Mar 18th, 2014 at 12:18am
 
    It goes even beyond that Matthew.  Expanded guidance has confirmed to me the truth that a few sources like McKnight's guidance, Cayce's guidance, and some others talk about (Monroe's He/She is an example), that our Spirit can so infuse and imbue our Soul and the human body with Light and PUL Consciousness, that one experiences truly what it's like to be "in the world, but no longer of it." 

   Meaning, one can appear to have a physical body, with all it's seeming attributes of interaction with others in this dimension, but not bound by any of the seeming rules of same.

  It's interesting that the Bible talks about how in the further past, a number of individuals lived a very, very long time in physical.  In light of what i've received and what some of those outer sources i respect and trust more than not talk about, i take this literally now. 

  In other words, one can so align and merge the seeming "outer", with the seeming "inner" that the illusion of difference and separation between the two, falls away.  Because in reality, there is no physical and nonphysical, there just is Consciousness vibrating at various different frequencies for lack of a better description.  Once self raises all aspects of self back to the original frequency, the Source frequency (fastest vibratory/most expanded), then all these limitations or seeming separations fall away for self, but self can still interact with those yet stuck in same.

   I think this is a major goal for many Disks in the "retrieval" of the physical.  I think this is why that Monroe was shown that in the further future, most humans alive will be essentially He/She types with no former limits.

  Once enough have reached this, then onto to become what Source created us to be, full and fully conscious Co-Creators and companions with same.
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