I like a lot of the things Justin writes on this forum.

Justin, please keep posting.  If people don't want to read what you write they don't have to.

Realistically, not everybody in the World can have a forum.

My guess is that beings of love and light are okay with you posting here.

I used to be afraid to find out about unfriendly beings. Paradoxically, the more I've aloud myself to become aware of their presence the more I've overcome my fear of them.  Actually, this isn't paradoxical. It is a natural progression if one allows it. Eventually each of our Souls needs to reach the point where we aren't afraid even after we acknowledge that unfriendly influences exist.
heisenberg69 wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 3:39pm:

I have been debating for a while whether to get ACIM for my Kindle, as I never read it.  The insights on this thread and others I've read to give me pause.  There was a connection of one of the editors as a consultant to the government for project MK Ultra (as stated before), a program concerned with programming a large number of people.  I don't like channeled work in general, though I did read Seth and Elias out of curiousity.  I don't like authoritarian texts which tell you how things are, in an all or nothing manner. 

One of the things I very much liked about Tolle's "The Power of Now" was how he presented the entire book as a set of questions and answers from his audience without just listing commandments, etc.   He give syou concrete exercises to elicit a state of pure being/perception, and they are really quite simple. 
And his logic is simple but clear.   I had a problem with his demonization of the human mind, but did understand his major thesis. 

I may still read ACIM, because I think I could do so with discernment and caution.  I do thank everyone for their take on it, and the discussion. 

M

recoverer wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 4:09pm:


I agree, many times Justin has really great things to say and I'm sure Dave was not telling him not to post.  However, I also agree with Dave.  This subject has been disected and redisected on this site I don't know how many times.

I've never read ACIM and have no interest in doing so, however there are some very good souls that have left this site because of the degrading comments made about ACIM.  These people were not brainwashed or programmed by it, but found some of the things written useful to their spiritual growth.

So this is another side of the coin.  The naysayers intentions to be helpful are many times actually hurtful to people.  It is always wise to respect the explorations of other people.  We are all on our own path and that path should be respected, otherwise instead of being helpful, you could be hurtful to others.

A couple years ago, out of curiosity I joined an ACIM forum.  The people there were not programmed or brainwashed, but just like most that come here, they were seekers looking for information and conversation with like minded folks.

K

Doc:

First of all, make certain you have a pillow around for when you fall asleep. 

Seriously, William Thetford was very involved with putting ACIM together. Here is the wikipedia article about him. The below is from the article.

"From 1971 to 1978 Thetford, along with David Saunders, headed the CIA mind control Project MKULTRA Subproject 130: Personality Theory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thetford

DocM wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 6:52pm:

Albert,

I've never and likely never will be someone that gives any credence to channeled material.  Never the less, if you talk about it, even negatively... you promote it... advertise it, even if it is negative advertising.

Justin,

Lets not go there.  I remember you being in a bad place at one time as well.

Kathy

Kathy:

As I said elsewhere recently, I decided to not put an article on my site about ACIM because in that case I might've just let some people know that it exists.

That effect might also exist here to some degree, but I don't believe it is good to get to the point where you never can point out the questionable parts of channeled material. I don't believe life is set up in this World so that for this matter silence is a must.

Lights of Love wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Lights of Love wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 9:07pm:


  Yes, Kathy, and in a way it proves my point.  I would question how much that course was helping me at the time, because the when you are referring to was when i was just starting to question and trying to disentangle myself from that course, which i had previously invested a lot of energy and time into.  It took me awhile to disentangle myself from the effects of the subconscious programming i allowed to happen.  For awhile after, i thought and talked a lot about ego even though i had rejected that "teaching".

    While i've forgiven myself, i still remember and feel bad for what i said to you around that time.  However hurtful and inaccurate what i said was, i was still addressing an actual experience, not wildly accusing you of some severely negative thing out of the blue just because i started to question a book you liked, which is what happened with me and that other person.  Really think about that, and how it might feel to have someone say that you are a raper of women because you were honest with them about a book they got you into? 

  But, there was a lot more than that course and that friendship going south, going on at the time.   I had just been booted out of a forum, wherein most the people there i thought were my friends.  I was also getting different answers or reasons for my banishment.  I had some people telling me that what i said to Leila was perfectly appropriate and accurate, though a bit tough love, i had others tell me i was getting kicked out not because of that but because i was posting in a certain section of the forum, and still different reasons from others, and all the while i felt that this "friend" had been talking behind my back with others.

  It was upsetting to me at the time, and i spoke to you out of hurt and anger then.  Banishment is kind of a big thing with my karmic history and testing (putting it very mildly).  I also had my father, who is an alcoholic, move in to our place around that time.  It was extremely stressful because he was drinking and acting very irrational and negative because he was being influenced by unfriendly beings. 

  So yes, i was very uncentered around that time, and it showed and showed strongly.  But, i think perhaps i was dealing with more overtly stressful and uncentereing circumstances at the time than the friend who accused me of extremely negative and untruthful things, because i questioned a teaching they liked.   However, the one thing we had in common at the time was that damn course as Helen herself later referred to it.

    Also, i don't try to hide my negative, shadow side.  I'm about as honest, open and sincere a person you will ever meet.  What you see, is what you get with me.  I say what i think and feel out in the open, even to the detriment of my public image at times.  I have little concern with being perceived as "spiritual" by others according to the mainstream image of same.