Seagull:

The approach you suggested seems more balanced than ACIM. I also agree with your approach of finding wisdom and inspiration from different Sources rather than being overly reliant on one Source.

Even if there is a Source that has bad intentions, if we are wise, we'll end up using some of its words in way that is beneficial.

If I was with a person who was depressed about a War, an airplane crash, or a natural disaster, I wouldn't take the approach ACIM suggests. Rather, I would acknowledge that something negative did take place, but would also state that thankfully, eventually, things will work out for the best.  My certainty of the existence of the afterlife and a very positive future helps me deal with some of the difficulties of life. But I don't want to pretend that such difficulties don't exist.

It is true that different people will interpret the same words in different ways. I'm concerned about when such words lead to negative results. This does happen.

Albert

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It does happen, Albert, and it is part of having free will. When one has stated thoughts about the concern, what more is there to do?

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    In a sense, the physical is sort of an illusion, however, that's not the whole truth of the matter.  If you read or listen to Rosalind's explorer sessions, they talk about this aspect, but her guidance doesn't say that error doesn't exist, and her source was big on "retrieval".  One doesn't practice or care about retrievals if one doesn't think that suffering doesn't matter or doesn't exist.

  In any case, this is NOT the problem i have with that course, it's that is actually is designed to program ego, polariziation-imbalance into the subconscious mind (which many consider to be more the ruling mind than the conscious in many ways).  How it does so, i've logically outlined, and is very easy to understand if one has any knowledge of and experience in dealing with how the subconscious mind and suggestions to same work.  Talk to a hypnotherapist about it.  Ask them what happens when someone reads a long, boring, super repetitive book wherein the problem or thing you're looking to get away from, is constantly talked about so much when you're in that more sensitive, subconscious state because your conscious mind has become so inactive and the ruling subconscious mind so active, because the conscious has been been bored to death with lengthy repetition of the same concept over and over again. 

  Voila, subconscious programming.  Otherwise known as "brainwashing".  Oh gee, what MK Ultra was devoted to. 

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  Evidence?   Surely you know and understand that humans as a lot are rather subjective beings?  We have so many filters, preconceptions, limited beliefs.  Take a look at science, the supposed bastion of objective, evidence based process and approach. 

Yet, in practice, is this actually the case all the time?   In many ways, for many people, science has become like a religion wherein people conveniently ignore evidence and data contrary to their preconceptions, the mainstream paradigms, or what they want to believe.  There is fear of the unknown or unexplained...  There is fear to go against social convention or to be different.  There is fear of being wrong.  There is fear of losing ones status, ones job, ones funding, etc, etc

    David, you have to try a bit harder than that. 

  Oft times, truth is stranger than fiction, or rather stranger than mainstream beliefs. 

    Take Reptilian E.T.'s.  These show up in some form or manner in various ancient cultures in myths, legends, religious writings.  Do you think that if there really was a negative E.T. group involved with Earth and humans, that they would leave a lot of hard evidence for their existence?  Maybe they are a bit smarter than that?    

   Precisely because of people like David Icke, i scoffed at and for awhile disbelieved in these.   It wasn't until i started to get guidance messages about these, that i started to be more open minded to the possibility of their existence and involvement.  Similar with Albert. 

  But you are ignoring my request and challenge.  I'm asking you to step outside of your preconceptions and intellect and to tune into information on a deeper level.  This is a site co started by one Bruce Moen.  I'm assuming you have some interest in Bruce Moen's work since you are here.   A big part of Bruce Moen's work, just as Bob Monroe's was, is the concept of "guidance". 

     And that we can communicate more directly with same. Especially as a means to convert limited human belief systems and perceptions.   

  All i'm asking you to do, is to step outside of your intellect and preconceptions a bit about ACIM, and tune into expanded guidance within to perceive the real deal about it free of these.  Free of Justin's, Albert's, Alysia's, Marianne's, etc, etc dogma.  Just you and expanded guidance communicating within yourself.   

   Considering what site/forum we are on, this is a perfectly reasonable and logical practice and very much inline with one of the deeper intents and teachings of the founder of same--someone i assume we both have respect for. 

  Why the resistance?

Justin said, " P.S., Christianity as been force fed to the masses is not real Christianity.  It's a distorted shadow of same.  Real Christianity is more akin to Buddhism in the sense that it's a way of life and way of being.   It's all about PUL and service.  The various churches and isms are far, far, far from that for the most part.   Probably Unity is the closest as a trend. "

The best description of this truth that I have found is in "Living Buddha, Living Christ", by Thich Nhat Hanh. The commonality of all religions, and even the "isms", including "courses" in spirituality, lies outside the written or spoken word. Motivation colors every word we speak or write, and the true aim of spirituality, I think, is to get past the word and into the light. So much intellectual energy is being expended here parsing the words of others. Light is silent but all pervading.

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I thought Bruce said he never met a hostile being "out there." I do not want to put words in Bruce's mouth. Has he ever written about "unfriendly beings"?

Are we back to the old alchemist syaing
The eye is more inclined to see what is behind it than what is in front of it

How do you know that unfriendly beings are not just a projection?

I doubt that Bruce has become aware of everything that exits.

In Ultimate Journey Robert Monroe wrote that he was told by his I-there that unfriendly influences both human and non-human have been messing with the human race pretty much for as long as the human race has been on this planet.

Consider how human beings of different religions including early forms of Christianity (the Old Testament period) did animal sacrifices. Who did these people receive their instructions from? Probably not a love-based being.

Lucy wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 1:16pm:

  Regarding Bruce, ACIM, and unfriendly beings. 

  As i wondered before, and earlier did so out loud, i wonder if his involvement with same created a block in not perceiving or being interested in the question of unfriendly beings. 

    I think Bruce is a pretty mature Soul, generally quite perceptive, etc.   But that doesn't mean that Bruce perceives all there is about reality. 

    I had an experience with this actually.  My wife and i had briefly talked to Bruce about some of our odd "spider" experiences, which to us seemed linked to unfriendly forces.  He seemed to kind of dismiss or gloss over that interpretation. 

  Later on, i wondered if i should tell Bruce about more of our perceptions and experiences relating to these.  I decided at night time to meditate on it to see whether i should.  I ended up falling asleep before getting deeper in the meditation, but i had a dream guidance message about it.

  I had an incredibly intense and vivid-real feeling dream wherein i was in earth, but things were different and strange.  There was a lot more suffering than usual.  At first, i thought i was really in my physical body, but when i thought that, i had a knowing say something like, "no, this is a potential-possible future".   Long story short, i was seeing a possible future wherein humanity didn't handle the changes well and we had allowed ourselves to be overly influenced by an unfriendly E.T. group(s).   The amount of suffering was horrible.  It was like the medieval ages again. 

   It was very upsetting to me, and i became very angry in the dream towards that group for interfering with humanity's development.

  I decided to share this dream with Bruce and told him the circumstances around same.  I heard nothing back and wondered about it.  I then had the following dream the night-morning after. 

  In the dream, Bruce and i were together and sharing PUL energy with each other.  It was really nice.  Bruce however, fell asleep while we were still interacting. 

   When i awoke, i knew the dream was saying that Bruce is "asleep" or unconscious to this aspect of reality.  Some part of him doesn't want to be aware of it, or as i suspect it's possible that his involvement with ACIM has had a limiting influence on his perception of this side of reality.

  However, i'm going to stop with this.  It's clear that people are not interested in contacting expanded guidance to find out the truth of the matter for themselves.  They would rather get frustrated with those who have, and who care about people and their spiritual growth and tell people their experiences and suggest that people find out for themselves via the more ideal way. 

Hi Justin,

I too am going to stop posting about ACIM, sources etc. as there is just circularity to it (I'm reminded of the old Pink Floyd song 'Wish You Were Here'). Before I take my board break I would just make one point : it is Bruce's board and generally people come to it because they like his approach- his non-fear based ideas resonate with them; people who may be recovering from a fear-based upbringing for example. With respect, why not establish your own conversation board where people who share your concerns feel free to express themselves and debate about the nature of unfriendly influences ? Because every time I come back here after a break the same old chestnuts keep getting regurgitated ad nauseum. Please don't interpret this me saying as I think you should be banned or anything silly like that, it is Bruce's board not mine. People come here because they like Bruce's work not yours or mine.

David