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Re: The dormancy of memory after death?
Reply #15 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 1:42pm
 
Hi Justin,

The only way we have to describe our non-physical experiences is to use metaphors.  And that's what I meant when I said I was impressed.  She takes her experience and the meaning she derived from it and does a good job of using metaphors to explain her knowledge of the afterlife and how it works.  I've only had time to read a couple more chapters, but when she uses the label "Source" she means the whole ONE consciousness system or what some would call God or what I call God Consciousness, which has no gender of either male or female.  Light Beings also have no gender.  I haven't read anything where she indicates "Source" isn't all there is.  In fact, just the opposite.  At least so far.

When a Being of Light communicates with me what I receive is a deep understanding of a concept, but to try to put this into words using ordinary language is difficult because there's so much meaning to what I understand and usually the "understanding" is completely foreign to anything we can conceive of with ordinary human thought patterns.  The only thing we can do is try to find the closest match.  I can relate to most things Nanci describes likely because of my own experience of the non-physical and in communicating with Light Beings, but to someone that hasn't had those experiences the words used to describe them can sound ridiculous or right out of a sci-fi movie.  So far I've not read anything I'd disagree with except that time is simultaneous.  But here again, in Light Being form there's complete access to not only the present, but also future probabilities, actualized past history and past probabilities that were never actualized, so time from that standpoint may very well seem simultaneous even though it's not.

At least so far, I wouldn't say that she goes overboard (whatever that means) so much as she tried to very carefully and conscientiously describe what was important to her.  The things she realized that were totally against what she'd been taught and believed prior to her experience.  The things that WOWed her is what she seems to focus on and here I'm thinking more of her third book that I've finished reading.

Have you read any of her books?
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Reply #16 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 4:24pm
 
  Hi Kathy,

  I think she does a good job overall.

Kathy wrote, "...when she uses the label "Source" she means the whole ONE consciousness system or what some would call God or what I call God Consciousness..."

  I recently watched a number of interviews with her (some 5 or so), and in at least one, she very clearly indicated that this larger reality/Universe, was created by an individualized being and she referred to it as "Source", and that she was aware that there was other Creative sources besides this larger individualized Being.  Course, she does speak about Oneness plenty--no debate there.  It might be hard to find this again, but i will give it a try. 

  But if you look wider, and at other sources that talk about a similar concept as the above, such as Bruce with the Planning Intelligence the Child of it's Parent Consciousness, Cayces' guidance talk of the Light/Christ Spirit--the maker of this Universe, Nancy Penn Monroe's channeling of Yeshua, or John of the NT, they all say the basically same thing, that we move and exist and have our being within the Light and essence of this rather large Co-Creator Being.  This manifested reality (physical and nonphysical), is a reflection of It's essence and beingness. 

  Or in Campbellian terms, He's the one who designed the larger video game system with it's various levels.  He's the one constantly projecting and streaming the data..

  If we find ourselves within same, we exist in a Oneness with It and with others within same.  Course, there is also a larger Oneness than even that, but there are definite "boundaries" between this larger reality and the realities that other Co-Creator Beings have made for their Creations and parts of self.   

    Within this Universe/Reality, many of us are "children" of this Co-Creator Being.  Some of us within this reality are children of The Source, or original Consciousness, but i suspect those are mostly the "lost sparks" that Bruce talked about.   

  Many of us who have a Retriever origins, like you, Albert, Bruce, me and a number of other Disks who have selves involved with this site, though, are direct offspring of the Co-Creator being--almost like his is the original Disk we came from, and our Disks are almost like probes spun off from his Disk. 

   And yes, that Disk has both Yin and Yang in it and is quite balanced and merged between these, but it is ever so slightly balanced to the Yang, which is why we could refer to it as a "He".  Or perhaps as He/She with a very slight emphasis on the He (hence before the She). 

  In Consciousness, "gender" translates best as simple active and passive, much like electrical charge.  Active is the moving electricity, the life force itself, and negative is the receptive and grounding counter balance or side of consciousness.  Or in other more human terms, active thought-will and receptive feeling/perceiving.

   You need both in any creation and in any individualized, freewilled being, and while in the more expanded levels of Consciousness these are so blended and merged to almost not be noticeable as any distinction, there is to the deeper seeing eye, slight emphasis on one over the other at times.

  This perhaps why this Disk, while projecting aspects of Itself in our little Earth with it's strong polarization, has more often than not, chosen to incarnate in male bodies (though it is essentially very balanced and does have female lifetimes as well), and it's probe that BEST represents this Disk and whom is most known throughout many different realities, is none other than Yeshua (Jesus) who incarnated into a male body.  Why, because it's inner nature is very slightly more polarized or balanced to the active or "male" more often than not, than the passive-receptive "female".


   I don't know exactly who the being is that Tom Campbell labels the "Big Cheese", but he also clearly states that this being represents itself as and feels a bit more male than female on a consciousness level, which is why Tom refers to it as a "him"..  I'm guessing that a consciousness within the "Big Cheese" role, has to be a pretty expanded and evolved consciousness (hence it will have quite the balance too).

   Perhaps it's a similar thing?  Wink

We touch on some mighty big and deep concepts in the above, and it's easy to misconstrue and misunderstand, especially if one as any human gender hangups or over attachments. 

   For what it's worth, i perceive The Source, the very original Consciousness before any other individualized consciousnesses came into existence, is slightly more Yin or "Female" than male.  My few brief experiences with this Consciousness and state of being, well it's hard to describe except as very, very still and receptive.  Almost void, complete Oneness.  We all still have that "memory" and state within us to tap into.   But it wasn't until The Source moved and became active in creating (consciously integrated it's "male" side), that it became fulfilled.  The result of this, was the Planning Intelligence for those who prefer a more religion neutral label, whom was brimming with creative force, and a bit more the Yang to Source's  bit more Yin (though again, both have both within same, just as we all do, and much more balanced/integrated than most of us).

  So, in the grand scheme of things, there is quite the balance. 

It is very hard to put these concepts and knowings into human terms and labels.  And me not being a completely clear and PUL attuned channel, no doubt it's not 100% accurate as to the perceiving, let alone the translating. 
 



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Reply #17 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:14pm
 
One other quick thing about gender relating to consciousness beyond the physicality of inner and outies.

  I find it very interesting that when all human bodies are first developing in the womb, they are all first female. 

  I think this is one of those interesting microcosm reflections of larger Consciousness and how i talked about i perceive the original Consciousness, The Source as more Yin or Feminine than Male.

  Forget the chicken or the egg question, what came first the female or the male.  Clearly, the female. 

  Yet, it's interesting to note that supposedly Yeshua referred to The Source as "Abba" which translates to Father.  A good question is why?   

   Goes back to that active and passive charge thing.  The part of Source that initially moved could be said to be the active, male side of Consciousness, which later became personified in the Planning Intelligence or the "Light". 

   So when we refer to God, or The Source as the Creator or the Creative, active, moving force, we could justifiably and accurately refer to that part of God/The Source as "Father".  But certainly this Father is not adverse to a little cross dressing, and really is both and beyond both all at the same time.
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Re: The dormancy of memory after death?
Reply #18 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
Hi Justin,

My point is that we humans can only describe our experiences using metaphors.  Even light and energy are metaphors. 

TC states in one of his videos that his TOE or model is a metaphor.  Some models are better than others, but all models are metaphors.  Pick the one(s) that best suit you.  The details (metaphors) aren't all that important from the perspective of Consciousness.  What's important is that we evolve in beneficial ways... grow in understanding, caring and love... the attributes of love... kindness, patience, and so on.

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Reply #19 - Feb 11th, 2014 at 6:22pm
 
  Well said and true enough Kathy.  Definitely the latter is the most important part.  But i still think that relative accuracy of information is also important, even if we must use metaphors and do realize that nothing is truly as is when doing so... 

It's interesting to me that i find that we as humans or in our other states, attune more and more clearly to PUL, and live it more, both our perceiving and our translating also tends to get more and more clear, accurate and relatively closer to the truth of the matter.  Attunement to PUL expands Consciousness, both in the being and the perceiving.

  This is why i always consider the source of any kind of spiritual or psychic type information.  It helps to know what their deeper intents, motivations, etc, etc are.  For example, Edgar Cayce's work.  Here was an unusual human who at a young age, was praying earnestly to God to be of service to others.

  Not to say he didn't have plenty of human issues and lack, but it's perhaps not an accident that such a pattern with those kinds of intents and motivations produced one of the most vast, holistic, and verified psychic works on record in the world.   

   Nanci, in her own words states that for most of her life she was a money grubbing lawyer.  While she has moved away from that pattern and is becoming the Light Being she was before she incarnated here, there may be some residue of that, which would lead to relatively more distortion as far as both perception and translating same. 

  The Law is clear, to get purity in perception, you have to pure, and there is no going around this except to be temporarily raised up by those who are in a moment pure themselves.  It really is a type of consciousness physics law that is far, far more set than any physical physics law.

  This does not mean that i am saying that we should not listen to less pure sources--not at all, but rather that we need to use our discernment and discrimination the more said sources waver or vary from the ideal of PUL.

Or in more human terms, i find MUCH of worth to Nanci's accounts, enjoyed listening to them, and would recommend her to others.  But i still use my discernment to see what is relatively more accurate or not, and would advise the same for others in relation to any outer source. 

This is also why, when i meditate and pray, i intend and ask to attune only to and ask for help and guidance from only those purely creative, PUL personified, etc sources and levels of consciousness.  Aka, the most expanded.

  Asking for anything less, is really just not pragmatic if one desires to grow to that themselves.  If one is content with illusions and the unreal, then fine, flit around with sources that provide less than. I'm not, i'm done with the unreal. I want to finally fully wake up.   Meanwhile, i can also see and gain from the more pure aspects and info from sources which themselves may not be wholly pure, but again i apply discernment as much as possible for one who is not pure themselves to see what is more helpful and accurate or not (which is why i appeal to more expanded sources than self to "check" things). 

Yeshua (Jesus), the Teacher of teachers and Guide of guides called this separating the wheat from the chaff, and he said it was important to do.

There is a relativity to all this.  And since everything is so connected, we have to consider the relative and varying influences of all variables, whether it's living and choosing in a certain manner, certain intents, choosing to let self resonate with an outside "energy", which even just info has some influence beyond our conscious minds understanding. 

   This is perhaps why so many sources that i highly respect and intuit as high level, say that it's really just best to go within, and hook up directly to the most expanded one can, to get info directly.   It's the most pragmatic way.   But yes, we do get directed at times to outer sources in this big guidance process.
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