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A few questions
Jan 30th, 2014 at 8:09pm
 
Hi everyone,
I've recently discovered this forum and was hoping you guys could help me sort out a few issues that have been on my mind.

1. Do we remember our lives when we pass on? I know that Bruce answered this in the FAQ, but there are some others who believe that we forget this life soon after departure.

2. Do our actual friends and relatives greet us after death, or is this simply a trick to ease us into the fact that we've died?

3. Is reincarnation a choice or something that we are forced to do?
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Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2014 at 11:04pm
 
You may not receive a lot of replies here because folks here don't really like to answer these kinds of questions, but do love to explore their own philosophical points of view. Generally, people are encouraged to try to find their own answers, to explore and to see what kinds of insights they receive on their own. But, I will oblige you with my own points of view, which are not very spectacular, but just how I see it right now.

1) Sometimes we remember our lives here. But, sometimes we become immersed in experiences which are beyond those which we have here, which consume us, and teach us about very expansive emotions and ways of being which seem very "far out" from this earthly perspective. We are not always fully focused on what we have experienced here, but it is recorded for all eternity. That seems like a scary thought until you realize how much actual love, and I mean LOVE there is, in reality, so that there is more than enough to contain all possibilities and all outcomes.

2) Our actual friends and family greet us. They are in an expanded state in other ways, but when we are greeted by them, they are who they say they are.

3) I do not believe we are forced. I believe we have reasons to be here, whether we remember them or not at a given moment in time.

I cannot tell you exactly why I believe these things, but I think the evidence speaks for itself, in many places, from what I have gathered.

Yvvak wrote on Jan 30th, 2014 at 8:09pm:
Hi everyone,
I've recently discovered this forum and was hoping you guys could help me sort out a few issues that have been on my mind.

1. Do we remember our lives when we pass on? I know that Bruce answered this in the FAQ, but there are some others who believe that we forget this life soon after departure.

2. Do our actual friends and relatives greet us after death, or is this simply a trick to ease us into the fact that we've died?

3. Is reincarnation a choice or something that we are forced to do?

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Reply #2 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 3:32pm
 
So say I sat down in the afterlife and focused on this earth life that I lived, would I be able to recall things somewhat vividly? I'm sorry to ask you guys these things, but my memories and experiences, both good and bad, are very important to me, and the thought of me blissfully forgetting them is pretty unnerving.
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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2014 at 4:24pm
 
I think that once you truly "arrive" on the other side your entire life from birth to death will be available for you to review. The circumstances of your review, I do not know, but I believe, from numerous near death accounts and other types of information available, clearly a record exists which is so detailed that you would be amazed, and you can step into any part of your life which is meaningful at the time and, not only relive your memories, but also understand exactly how you affected other people around you, as if you were actually living in their memory.

It is my understanding that we, as souls in the afterlife, can access this information, but the "rules" of how that takes place, I don't know. There is also a lot of other information which is stored in some kind of archival fashion, and some people who come back from near death experiences state that they were gifted with incredible amounts of information, all at once, but were unable to bring it back with them to this earth plane.

I believe that our restrictions here are for reasons which we will remember when we return to our afterlife homes and that the challenges here serve a purpose. Additionally, records indicate that, once we return, it seems as if we were only gone a moment. And, further, records indicate that the "real" spirit which is us is already there, and that this life is somewhat like a preplanned event, a sort of movie that we are participating in, but that we also have a certain amount of free will involved. Certain events in our life are "meant" to be. This is not something many of us generally learn as we conduct our lives here, which I think is unfortunate.

It is also stated that there is not only this world, but many other environments which we can learn from. Perhaps some souls never leave the place that we call the afterlife to come here, and others never return to this place, but the possibilities for growth and further experience seem endless and exciting to me. It is said that some people reincarnate several times in a row closely together because they can "finish" learning a few things they wanted to know.

It is also said that if we wish to rest, that's exactly what we can do. We can sleep, we can revisit favorite experiences and places, we can be alone or with others, etc. etc. The more I find out the more incredible it all seems, and wonderful. But, it does also seem that we have a job to do here, a purpose, so I want to stick around to see what the whole story is, at this point in my life.
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Reply #4 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
1. Do we remember our lives when we pass on? I know that Bruce answered this in the FAQ, but there are some others who believe that we forget this life soon after departure.

This question has often been discussed here in the context of another question: Why don't grieving people receive ADCs from deceased loved ones more often?   Many conjectures have been made in response, but the most compelling involves the claims of astral adepts, Emanuel Swedenborg and Robert Bruce, that memories go dormant soon after death.  ES adds that God occasionally restores memories temporarily to aid spiritual progress.  At such times, a short window seems to open up for ADCs, as souls recall their loved ones. 

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Reply #5 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Hi,
As for your third question about reencarnation, I think it is not "a choice" but a energetic pull back to Earth if your Higher Self/your I-There/your Soul is not sufficiently developed and still have attachments of any kind to this physical reality on Earth. The attachments are not necessarily material, usually they are B.S. (Belief Systems) and of emotional nature.
If you don't want to come back here, start working NOW in developing a higher connection with the Source and preparing yourself to leave this place for good.
Good luck... that is the Original Plan nevertheless.
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Reply #6 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:28pm
 
People can spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answers to these questions and come to different conclusions.

This being the case, without doing any background research, how would one know who to listen to?

One really has no choice but to put a lot of effort into trying to figure out the answers for one's self.

The contradictory information doesn't mean that there aren't actual answers of how the afterlife etc works.
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Reply #7 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 9:03pm
 
Yea, I guess I did sort of cop out on these questions. I appreciate everyone's answers, but it does seem like the best option would be to find them out on my own. Still, it's nice to see where everyone stands on the situation.

recoverer wrote on Feb 4th, 2014 at 8:28pm:
People can spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answers to these questions and come to different conclusions.

This being the case, without doing any background research, how would one know who to listen to?

One really has no choice but to put a lot of effort into trying to figure out the answers for one's self.

The contradictory information doesn't mean that there aren't actual answers of how the afterlife etc works.

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Reply #8 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:26pm
 
The question of whether NDErs are actually greeted by family and friends is a troublng one.  Reports seem vague, standard, almost cliched.  Dead grandma seldom greets with unknown information about the afterlife that is highly instructive or verifiable.   Some OBE adepts insist that such greetings are merely thought forms sent to comfort with familiar points of contact with earth life.  However, contacts with family members after the intial greeting seem more promising because they are sometimes the source of stunning but unknown verifiable information (e. g. Colton Burpo's encounter with the dead sister he never knew about because she died in childbirth).

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Reply #9 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 4:19pm
 
Hi Don-

You said-

Emanuel Swedenborg and Robert Bruce (state) that memories go dormant soon after death.  ES adds that God occasionally restores memories temporarily to aid spiritual progress.  At such times, a short window seems to open up for ADCs, as souls recall their loved ones. 

I'm reminded, however, that Bruce was able to contact his deceased engineer friend Ed Carter for many years after Ed died.  During those years Ed was helping Bruce develop his afterlife communication device (for board members who may not recall this, Bruce was working on a telephone system that would enable anyone to literally call up a deceased friend or loved one just as we call someone now).

Hopefully Bruce will let us know how long he was in contact with Ed before the communication was no longer possible.

Also Bruce was able to contact RAM after his death, and I recall that it was also for an extended period of time before contact was lost.

So maybe circumstances vary.  I think for most of us, we seem to get some kind of ADC but only for a relatively short time. 

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Reply #10 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 4:39pm
 
But are ADCs rare ? Bill Guggenheim and Judy Guggenheim (founders of the ADC project) don't think so : from their website http://www.after-death.com/ :

' An After-Death Communication (ADC) is a spiritual experience, which occurs when you are contacted directly and spontaneously by a deceased family member or friend, without the use of psychics, mediums, rituals, or devices of any kind. It's estimated that 60-120 million Americans - 20-40% of the population of the United States - have had one or more ADC experiences .... the ADC Project was created in May, 1988 to conduct the first in-depth research of After-Death Communications. The founders, Bill Guggenheim and Judy Guggenheim, interviewed 2,000 people who live in all 50 American states and the 10 Canadian provinces. They collected more than 3,300 firsthand accounts from people who believe they have been contacted by a loved one who had died'.'

If even a small proportion of the above have a veridical component that's still an awful lot of ADCs !
Some close members of my family claim to have had ADCs and a few years ago I would have dismissed it as wishful thinking.
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Reply #11 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
I too do not agree that the explanation for how few ADCs most people have shows we lose memory in the afterlife.  I think we have many communications at a subliminal level for which we are not aware in a direct sense.  We may be guided to take a walk or follow a hunch.  The hunch may be given to us by a loved one.  Perhaps few people get a face to face chatty communication, but guidance comes in many forms. 

Also, I believe we have free will, and our memory will persist if we choose to remember.  Much of the "play" of of life, the characters, actors, etc. are unimportant in the astral.  Earth is a place to experience separation and a different existence, but it is doubtless not the focus of people in a spiritual plane. 

There are innumerable accounts of people descrbiing indirect guidance, synchronicities, etc. that they believe are from deceased relatives.  Granted these are difficult to verify on the earth plane, but perhaps earthly verification is not the point. 

Belief in separation, loneliness, ego - these are all things we lose as we learn about love.  Why then would we want to involve ourselves with the earthly karma or interactions of our loved ones?  We can't live their lives for them, for if we could, what would be the point?  We may be there to guide them, but any insight must be theirs and theirs alone.   Would we warn them if we could about disasters?  I'm sure we would - if our thinking was based on the earth plane alone. 

What is it like when our consciousness expands to the astral and sheds the body, and earthly ties to our ego?  How does that affect us?  What if any etheric restrictions, laws and restraints are there on communication with those still in the physical plane? 

More questions than answers.  But for myself, I tend to disbelieve that our earthly memories go dormant.  In fact, Swedenborg mentioned only those things go dormant for which there are no spiritual correspondences.

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Reply #12 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
I have often reported that in a study in the 1970s, 50% of Americans and 48% of Brits report ADCs, usually with the first year since a loved one's death.  But most of these would be very unconvincing to a skeptic (dreams, a sense of presence, a sense of pressure on the bed. an inner voice).  In my experience, most mourners have heard about ADCs, but receive nothing impressive and feel cheated, even angry at their deceased loved one, who would certainly communicate if aware of this option and able to contact their loved one.  Most notably, Houdini was unable to keep his promise to contact his wife Bess.  [Claims to the contrary have been discredited.)  This deafening silence cries out for explanations like dormant memory.

And of course, ES and Robert Bruce report memory dormancy by direct encounters with many deceased spirits. 

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Reply #13 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 6:56pm
 
Houdini had his own ego, issues and path.  His lack of return to the physical plane is not an indictment against spiritual memory for the masses.

The reception of an afterlife communication likely involves factors from both parties, namely that the incarnated person in the physical world is receptive to the communication and open to it, that their belief system does not block them.   Then the person in spirit must do their part as well.  I can envision multiple reasons that clear communications do not occur.  It has been likened to trying to get the attentionof some standing behind a 10 foot wall of thick frosted glass.  You might be able to make out a silhouette, or hear a muffled sound.  How frustrating.  Yet some  ask why we don't hear more often from the deceased. 

Robert Bruce's experience is his own.  Filtered by whatever his beliefs are, and his interpretation of what he learned, heard or saw.  I mean that as no slight. 

Just to say that to generalize and say "ah yes, well Robert Bruce or ES say our memories go dormant after a little while when we die, so that is as it must be.." seems odd to me.  There have been accounts of ongoing communications from the deceased to others spanning years.  One worker on a communication machine lasted years, and the account was posted on this forum. 

So I think the knowledge about memory in the afterlife is not quite known.  I suspect if we are tired to the earth plane and our loved ones and events, we may retain memory.  But that is my gut talking.
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Reply #14 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 8:42pm
 
Just to show you the potential level of complexity to the issues regarding communication, take E. Swedenborg as an example.  He felt that each of us has spirits associated with us both from loving planes and from hateful/hellish planes.  These spirits were not aware that the situations we were experiencing were our earth situations.  More that their thoughts merge with ours when we are making decisions.  From their point of view, they are in their own spiritual plane, but they are experiencing our situation:

Excerpt from The Lives of Angels pages 131-133
"There are good spirits and evil spirits with every individual. We have our union with heaven through the good spirits and our union with hell through the evil ones. These spirits are in the world of spirits, which is intermediate between heaven and hell.

When these spirits come to us, they come into our whole memory and from there into all our thinking—evil spirits into the matters of memory and thought that are evil, and good spirits into the matters of memory and thought that are good. These spirits are totally unaware that they are with us. Rather, as long as they are, they believe that all these matters of our memory and thought are actually theirs. They do not see us, either, because their sight does not extend to things in our subsolar world.

The Lord takes the greatest care to prevent spirits from knowing whom they are with. If they did know, they would talk with them, and then the evil spirits would destroy them; for evil spirits, being united to hell, want nothing more than to destroy us not only as to spirit (that is, as to our love and faith) but as to our bodies as well. It is different when they do not talk with us. Then they do not know that we are the source of what they are thinking—and what they are saying to each other, since they talk to each other just the way we do—but believe that these matters are their own. They value and love whatever is their own, so these spirits are constrained to love and value us, even though they do not know it."

So Swedenborg is in effect saying that communication with spirits may be frequent but indirect; we may feel guided by impulses influenced by these tag-along astral angels or upstarts, yet from their point of view, they see our situation (conflicts, problems) as their own on their spiritual plane. 

None of this implies true memory loss in spirit, but it may explain, one man's perception about why direct chatty conversations with deceased people are not more common.
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