Doc said: "I agree that aiming PUL at the demon seems both artificial and self deluded, though truly cultivating the feeling of love, and certitude in whatever ceremony takes place, would appear to be crucial. "

Recoverer responds: "How do you know it's deluded? Have you ever tried it? As I said on earlier post, people including myself have found that sharing love with an unfriendly being can be effective.

Such an unfriendly being has two choices, 1) decide that it is interested in experiencing love and hang around, or 2) decide that it isn't interested and split the scene.

It's really something how people put down things such as Disk experiences and dealing with unfriendly beings by sharing love with them, simply because they haven't had such experiences. Would it be fair for a person to say that NDErs are deluded, simply because such a person hasn't had an NDE?

The emotional energy that a person or being radiates can be felt. Perhaps some negative beings are afraid of the light/love.

Regarding "aiming" I've found that as soon as I have the intent to send/share love with a unfriendly being, the amount of love I experience increases.

Does anyone know enough about the energetics of PUL to know whether it is something that can be sent?

Perhaps it would be best to focus on experience based answers rather than intellectual/belief system-based conclusions."

"Recoverer responds: "How do you know it's deluded? Have you ever tried it? As I said on earlier post, people including myself have found that sharing love with an unfriendly being can be effective. "

Doc responds:

Albert, what I meant to say was the idea that one can imagine PUL and channel it like a flash light from one's chest to make the bad guys go away is a bit of a delusion.  I am a believer in love, but I am one of those who believe that the term is bandied about to loosely.  There are truly loving people out there and those who can project love - but the average person probably isn't that able to spontaneously project love in a willing manner and in a frightening situation - eventhough many would like to believe it can be done. 

M

Doc:

Right, I believe some of the things I said ealier on this thread relate to what you say below. Nevertheless, going by the info I received and what makes sense to me, we do have freedom of choice, and if we choose a positive way of being an unfriendly being won't be able to stop us from doing so.

DocM wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 11:13pm:

A very interesting quote from another site with an excerpt from the Dead Sea Scrolls. 

"The text, called the "Testament of Amram", describes the experience of a person named Amram in which "an angel and a demon" were wrestling over his soul:
'I saw Watchers] in my vision, the dream-vision. Two [men] were fighting over me. I asked them, ’who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?’ They answered me, ’We [have been em]powered and rule over all Mankind.’ They said to me, ’Which of us do yo[u] choose to rule [you]?’ I raised my eyes and looked.

[One] of them was terrifying in his appearance, [like a s]erpent, [his] cl[oak] many colored yet very dark. ... [And I looked again], and ... in his appearance, his visage like a viper. ... [I replied to him,] ’This [watcher,] who is he?’ He answered me, ’This Wa[tcher,] ... [and his three names are Belial and Prince of Darkness] and King of Evil.’

What makes this testament even more intriguing is the fact that this little-known character named Amram is quite an important personage.

Amram, it turns out, was the father of one of the most famous contactees in history, the man who delivered the Jews from slavery in Egypt. This person is, of course, none other than Moses!"

    The above person doesn't mention it, but i think it's mentioned in the Testament of Amram that the other "watcher" whom was fighting the reptilian-humanoid being was none other than the ArchAngel Michael.  Essentially, they were both were trying to influence the man, Amram, but towards very different ends. 

To me, this is more like what happens in real possession rather than the usual hollywood type, super dramatic type stuff.  More like subtle influencing, trying to get us off track, to make poor choices which hurt or limit ourselves or others.  To skew us, especially in a spiritual and belief system way.

  We live in an interesting reality, and these Reptilian E.T.'s have long been with us, trying to influence us, and have done quite a good job if you look around.  Why think you there are so many references to snakes/serpents in both the OT and the NT?   

   So many of us are all too easy to manipulate, fool and deceive.  Even those of us more spiritually centered and more closer or consistent in attunement to PUL occasionally get influenced, if only temporarily. 

   Heck, these beings show up in so many different cultures and tales in some form or another across long periods of time, and many of us refuse to even believe they exist, let alone seriously contemplate them having a strong influence here.  Let alone contemplate if self is ever influenced or manipulated. 

  Even in modern research these beings have shown up, during laboratory DMT testing.  Not too mention the many people who have experienced E.T. contact or abductions.

  Read an interesting account of a American who went to South America and took some ayahuasca under tutelage of a blind shaman.  During his experience these Reptilians tried to convince him that they were the creator beings of humans, etc, etc.  After, he told the shaman about the experience and the shaman said, "oh, they're always saying stuff like that."  When asked what they were and where they come from, the shaman looked up and pointed at the sky and at the stars.

  First step in not being influenced anymore, is to become conscious of the factors and variables influencing you.  2nd is to ask for help from beings/groups/levels more powerful and positive than self.  3rd is live your life in a positive, spiritual manner with PUL ever as the leading light and ideal. 

  However, unlike discarnate humans with a chip on their non physical shoulder and who are and can be indiscriminate in who they try to connect to, influence, etc, and are rarely more than just meddlesome, the E.T. ones don't tend to focus on the average Joe or Jane.  They focus on people that can either materially or spiritually have an influence in the world.  They focus on very slow vibrational people in positions of influence and power materially, and they focus on spiritually intune people who can make a difference in the world for the better.  And they focus more in a group way, which amplifies, and they already have a better understanding and manipulation of psychism and mind than most humans.  Which is why most humans who get focused on by them, it's usually a necessity to appeal to higher powers than just their own Disk/Higher self.