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Dec 28th, 2013 at 6:53am
 
Hello,

Recently I read a novel 'The Name of the Star' in which lost spirits were dispensed with by abruptly running two electrical currents through a small diamond. The device they had designed for doing so had to be held within the energy field of the entity. The characters/author admitted that they had no idea what happened to these shades who were being obliterated this way.

The entities being dispatched had caused harm and would not listen to requests to stop. The only people who could see them were several people who had recently had close brushes with death themselves. Other aspects of the story --geographical, psychological -- were accurate.

I'm wondering if any of you have technological or moral views of that process?

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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2013 at 1:35pm
 
Hello:

If it isn't known what happens to such entities, how is it known that they are obliterated?

If it is possible to destroy a Soul, I don't believe anybody should do so. No person has such a right!

2bets wrote on Dec 28th, 2013 at 6:53am:
Hello,

Recently I read a novel 'The Name of the Star' in which lost spirits were dispensed with by abruptly running two electrical currents through a small diamond. The device they had designed for doing so had to be held within the energy field of the entity. The characters/author admitted that they had no idea what happened to these shades who were being obliterated this way.

The entities being dispatched had caused harm and would not listen to requests to stop. The only people who could see them were several people who had recently had close brushes with death themselves. Other aspects of the story --geographical, psychological -- were accurate.

I'm wondering if any of you have technological or moral views of that process?

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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
I just read that treatment of post-traumatic stress syndrome and even certain kinds of blindness with application of light inside the actual brains of animals is being studied right now with positive results. What seems unlikely to us now will be possible in the future.

It would be better, I think, to know what happens to these spirits, before doing such a thing, but a lot of progress results from experimentation. People do what works, regardless.

I don't think it is a "right" of a spirit to harm us in this realm either, which goes without saying.

Those of us who practice "retrievals" in other ways don't actually know what happens to the spirits we "free" in an ultimate sense after we disconnect from the experience. It appears to us that they are moved to a better place, but we cannot know for sure. We have to do the practice with a certain amount of pure faith.
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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 1:20am
 
HI,

I'm agreeing with you both so far. I've tried to find a way to contact the author but she leaves on email address or contact/comment information.

The eagerness, even joy, that our own souls show when setting out for a retrieval hopefully shows that our methods are good, whereas the book's characters are hesitant to push the buttons.
Recoverer, the only 'proof' they have of eradication is that those souls never are seen again. Also I wonder if we're necessarily dealing with an entire whole soul, or maybe a left-behind layer that needs reuniting with its core which has moved on. (I think it was Krishnamurti who suggested our souls are like onions and can exist without some of its layers, but also needs to be as wholly put together as possible. ?
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 5:08am
 
"If it is possible to destroy a Soul, I don't believe anybody should do so. No person has such a right!"

I definitely don't agree with everything Tom Campbell says, but when he talks about some individuated consciousnesses very rarely getting recycled by the big cheese or the larger consciousness system..

  Well, it does ring true to my intuition some.  If an individual becomes such a troubling, unbalancing, and destructive influence on those around them, and if all tries of rehabilitation, retrieval, etc fail and fail miserably time and time again, and if they are not breaking up their own consciousness pattern, awareness, etc

  Then wouldn't it be possible that someone with authority and power, might put them out of their misery so to speak?   

  Not as punishment, but as compassion and practicality to both them and to the ones they are negatively affecting.

  For an earthly metaphor, it's akin to shooting a dog with rabies.  Is that really such a bad thing?   Sad yes, but maybe sometimes necessary? 

  Also, i see it less as getting destroyed, as more remolded. An opportunity to be a different being without the baggage of the past. 

  In any case, i don't think this is ever undertaken lightly.   


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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 12:11pm
 
<<I've tried to find a way to contact the author but she leaves on (sic) email address or contact/comment information.>>

2bets- Maybe I'm missing something, but the book is a work of fiction.  Her target audience is teens and young adults.

Is there something that makes you think what the author says about souls was meant to be taken literally?
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2014 at 3:31pm
 
If I was an evil minded being and I couldn't be helped, I would want someone to end my existence.



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"If it is possible to destroy a Soul, I don't believe anybody should do so. No person has such a right!"

I definitely don't agree with everything Tom Campbell says, but when he talks about some individuated consciousnesses very rarely getting recycled by the big cheese or the larger consciousness system..

  Well, it does ring true to my intuition some.  If an individual becomes such a troubling, unbalancing, and destructive influence on those around them, and if all tries of rehabilitation, retrieval, etc fail and fail miserably time and time again, and if they are not breaking up their own consciousness pattern, awareness, etc

  Then wouldn't it be possible that someone with authority and power, might put them out of their misery so to speak?   

  Not as punishment, but as compassion and practicality to both them and to the ones they are negatively affecting.

  For an earthly metaphor, it's akin to shooting a dog with rabies.  Is that really such a bad thing?   Sad yes, but maybe sometimes necessary? 

  Also, i see it less as getting destroyed, as more remolded. An opportunity to be a different being without the baggage of the past. 

  In any case, i don't think this is ever undertaken lightly.   



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Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2014 at 8:48am
 
Hi

Re:"Is there something that makes you think what the author says about souls was meant to be taken literally?"

Not literally. Just for conversation (-: I like to compare other people's (such as this author's) views with those who've perhaps been influenced by Moen and Monroe. It's exciting that the same truths/themes do come through so many sources.

A while back, this site discussed whether the entities we retrieved were entirely the whole soul or whether they might be some sort of spin-off layer(s). If that's the case, then there's no moral issue with their method.
Or since this book admits that the results are really unknown then again it's not an issue since perhaps the only spark that matters simply got an abrupt boost out of the physical. However the author didn't discuss these possibilities so I brought it to you all.

Some writers start with the youth market, then as they develop, their work crosses over. From their first works they might have influence.

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