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Reply #15 - Feb 4th, 2014 at 10:18pm
 
I cringe at the glib manner in which the expression "send PUL" is thrown around on this site.  I wonder if any poster here has ever actually achieved it.  "Pure" implies inner purging of all motivational impurities and, for almost all of us, ego's subtle influence invariably prevents this glorious possibility.  "Unconditional" implies that we enthusastically continue to long for the evil other's ultimate happiness and success, no how much that person has harmed us or our children.  Who is capable of that lofty state of consciousness--and how often?  I think the astral experience of so-called PUL is usually little more than a  taste of ecstasy or euphoria that includes temporary and highly condtional good will for others.  The expression "PUL" should dropped as pretentious and applied to the ideal for which we strive, but achieve only as a pale approximation. 

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Reply #16 - Feb 5th, 2014 at 5:15am
 
I tend to agree with Berserk above that PUL is a big ask for most humans; as Mathew has said the tough thing is the lack of reciprocation. But I also believe that we shouldn't beat ourselves up about that. When I step onto a golf course I know that the chances of me ( an average club hacker) of shooting a 63 are practically nil but that doesn't stop me trying to shoot the lowest score I can. I think PUL is a quality that we can nurture and develop to a large extent but knowing I will never be a Tiger Woods in PUL terms doesn't mean I shouldn't try to improve my game. I see no reason why using such PUL as I have managed to develop in afterlife matters cannot aid me on my way. Some PUL is better than no PUL at all !
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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:57am
 
With PUL, love is defined and measured by two absolutes. An Average Club Hacker isn't a Purely Consistent 63 Shooter. A bit of a PC63S he is, both golfers, but .. why?

It's comfortable to say one loves the night when remaining inside the park with all the 27 tree lights on and all the friends fearing the dark gather to bolster the love. Love for the whole might turn out to be different once eyeing what the whole consists of. And no reciprocation when loving the whole, as seen from a distance, can be different when, up close, people around you doesn't partake in an alternating back-and-forth movement. Very limited experience gained.

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Reply #18 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 12:27pm
 
Don,

My thought is that PUL is a label and like any other label people ascribe interpretation based on their knowledge, understanding and experience.  Since each of us is unique, I'm sure the understanding of PUL is unique to each of us unless of course we all had the exact same experience in regards to it, so it's no wonder there's so much variation in meanings.  Mine is likely different than yours or anyone else's.

My understanding is that God/Source/Consciousness exists as PUL in its purest state and God/Source/Consciousness generates an aura that we can experience as awe-inspiring bliss, ecstasy, euphoria, supreme happiness, peaceful silence, or any other number of labels we can come up with to describe what this aura feels like.  In my experience, PUL is a tangible substance, and not an emotion, but so much more... in a class all its own.  One would have to experience it to know and understand it the same way I do.  And of course many people have experienced this.  I don't think it's an uncommon experience, just one that is difficult to describe with our limited language.

This tangible aura/substance/essence of PUL is also generated by Beings of Light and when we are OOB and come into close proximity to them we can feel this aura of PUL radiating from them.  We, each and every one of us, is a Being of Light, a soul created of this same substance of PUL.  Even though we are currently incarnated, blended with a human form, an ego, this same PUL substance can and does up well from deep within us, even at the oddest moments and others around us can feel it as well. I think most of us don't experience this substance of PUL on a regular basis because we identify more with the human form, beliefs, fear, etc.  Perhaps if we were to identify with the soul... the part of us that is not incarnated PUL would be more readily expressed.

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Reply #19 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:10pm
 
Well said Kathy. 

Perhaps talk of PUL is kind of cheap as per Don's post, but i see it as an ideal, and like anything in life, focus has it's own kind of power and facilitating effect. 

The more we focus on an ideal, the easier it is to build it up within, provided we are using our will, choice, and actions to back up our desire and intent.

  It's kind of like, the more you want to be a good car mechanic, the more you practice on cars, read about car maintenance, think about them, etc, the easier and more automatic it becomes. 

  It also doesn't hurt to ask for help in this process, like asking Source, Christ, and the purely Creative Consciousnesses for help and guidance.

Just be sure you really do want help to become more attuned to that state of consciousness and beingness, because my experience is, sometimes help comes in the form of intense challenge and testing.

  There is a process of purification, and those serious about growing up fully get tried by Fire so to speak, because to become PUL, you have to burn out the hindering dross to get to the gold at the core.  While connected to a body and in this dimension, this can be a very intense process. 

  But once that gold starts to shine forth, life's buffeting storms and trials tend to have less and less effect on you, or at least you tend to recover faster and more fully.

   But even He, even towards his full completion and overcoming of the World within and without, still felt intense suffering and loneliness, if albeit temporarily. 

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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
Thanks Justin.

However, I don't disagree with what Don is saying and I don't think he would disagree with what I said.  And like you mention, it is a process of purification.  To me that means letting go of fear so the PUL from deep within can emerge naturally.

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Reply #21 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 1:04pm
 
Lights of Love wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:35pm:
Thanks Justin.

However, I don't disagree with what Don is saying and I don't think he would disagree with what I said.  And like you mention, it is a process of purification.  To me that means letting go of fear so the PUL from deep within can emerge naturally.

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  Certainly.  But letting go of fear, etc, is a big subject unto itself.   

   Interesting that a lot of people don't like to and rarely talk about death for an example.  It seems a lot of people have fear about death, and would rather repress the topic than deal with it consciously and out in the open and upfront.   

   This is true with a lot of other subjects that could cause fear in humans.  Repression is the norm, and openly talking about and dealing with a difficult subject can indicate that a person actually has very little fear about same. 

  Also, i don't make the process of attuning to PUL all about fear.  It's certainly not all about that.  Fear is definitely a factor and a hindrance to same, but there is more to it than that.  Sometimes it comes down to simple will power. 

I'll give you an example.  I've been very slack with meditating up until recently, and was for a long while.  Recently, some realizations came wherein i realized if i really wanted to grow more that i would have to start to make this a necessity and habit.  No fear involved one way or the other, just old simple will power as they say.  Don't let self get over distracted by other activities, etc, make the effort, focus.  Now meditation doesn't cause spiritual growth and attunement to PUL, but done with the right intent and in the right manner, it certainly can facilitate the process or make it easier in ones life.
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Reply #22 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 5:03pm
 
I'd like to add to what Justin said below. Before I do so, my guess is that Kathy understands that there is more to growing in PUL than letting go of fear.

Letting go of limiting ideas about love will enable a person to live more according to PUL.  Doing so wouldn't simply be a matter of letting go of fear.  It might be a matter of letting go of a concept based desire.  For example, if a man has the idea that he can experience love as best as possible only if he is with a woman he considers beautiful, then he'll limit his ability to experience love.  Love has nothing to do with a physical body or what a body seems to look like. Beingness does not need body-based imagery in order for love to exist in a way that is complete. Related to this, it kind of bugs me when a person speaks of meeting a light being that looks like a beautiful women. Perhaps they need to get over such a way of thinking. Certainly we are much more than human beings.

Another factor is understanding that a service oriented approach to life will help a person be in line with divine love, because divine love has a giving aspect.  Even though fear might play a role in a person not wanting to tune into what it means to be service oriented, personnel desires and false concepts about how fullfillment can be found might be the key factors that impeed a person's openess to finding out about the service to others aspect of divine love.



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Lights of Love wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:35pm:
Thanks Justin.

However, I don't disagree with what Don is saying and I don't think he would disagree with what I said.  And like you mention, it is a process of purification.  To me that means letting go of fear so the PUL from deep within can emerge naturally.

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  Certainly.  But letting go of fear, etc, is a big subject unto itself.   

   Interesting that a lot of people don't like to and rarely talk about death for an example.  It seems a lot of people have fear about death, and would rather repress the topic than deal with it consciously and out in the open and upfront.   

   This is true with a lot of other subjects that could cause fear in humans.  Repression is the norm, and openly talking about and dealing with a difficult subject can indicate that a person actually has very little fear about same. 

  Also, i don't make the process of attuning to PUL all about fear.  It's certainly not all about that.  Fear is definitely a factor and a hindrance to same, but there is more to it than that.  Sometimes it comes down to simple will power. 

I'll give you an example.  I've been very slack with meditating up until recently, and was for a long while.  Recently, some realizations came wherein i realized if i really wanted to grow more that i would have to start to make this a necessity and habit.  No fear involved one way or the other, just old simple will power as they say.  Don't let self get over distracted by other activities, etc, make the effort, focus.  Now meditation doesn't cause spiritual growth and attunement to PUL, but done with the right intent and in the right manner, it certainly can facilitate the process or make it easier in ones life.

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Reply #23 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:54pm
 
recoverer wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 5:03pm:
... it kind of bugs me when a person speaks of meeting a light being that looks like a beautiful women. Perhaps they need to get over such a way of thinking.

How about a fat ugly one?
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Reply #24 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 2:14pm
 
Light bulbs look kind of fat, I wouldn't mind if a spirit being looked like a light bulb. Smiley

1796 wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 10:54pm:
recoverer wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 5:03pm:
... it kind of bugs me when a person speaks of meeting a light being that looks like a beautiful women. Perhaps they need to get over such a way of thinking.

How about a fat ugly one?

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Reply #25 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 4:06pm
 
  I understand what you are saying Albert and i do agree, but have you considered the holism of what physical means in relation to consciousness and what consciousness means to physical? 

   That which we perceive as beauty within the physical, we do so far reasons that are not just necessarily body based. 

   There is a deeper harmony and meaning to the perception of beauty even here, that relates to consciousness. 

    I'm not saying it's as simple as people with beautiful faces or what not, having beautiful souls--i think we have all had the experience wherein this was sometimes quite contrary, but what we experience as physicality is to some degree a symbolic reflection of that within consciousness and of what we call the nonphysical. 

  Also note that those individuals born with beautiful faces and bodies, and as they live very spiteful and selfish lives, well they don't tend to age gracefully whatsoever, and start to reflect the ugliness on the inside.  Vice versa, i've met middle aged and older people, who were not "lookers" when they were young, but seemingly because of the great and consistent beauty within, tend to age gracefully and become more pleasing to look at, both in an aura way and in a physical way too. 

  A more pure Light being, if they decided to manifest into this reality, could manifest in any way as far as looks go, if there is a reason or purpose to, but if they are just "translating" their energy here as is, they will be what we perceive as very physically beautiful, for that reflects and represents their beauty within. 

   I suspect, for example, that Yeshua's mother Miriam--his "twin Soul" according to one source, was quite physically and unusually beautiful.  I doubt such an evolved Soul had any attachment to having a certain kind of body and face as far as appearance goes, but maybe it was to some extent her Souls beauty writing itself into the physical clay some? 

    There is MUCH to this subject, and it's quite relative, but genetics are both of the Earth earthy (and thus don't have much to do with our individual consciousness/soul energy) but also influenced by our individual consciousness/soul energy. 

  Sometimes a more harmonious and beautiful Soul will choose an uglier body for reasons of growth or karmic balancing, or because they are just not that attached to same and that was what the opportunity presented, and vice versa lot of immature souls are quite attached to having great looking bodies, but even then, genetics and the physical is not as FIXED or set as we tend to think it is.  It's more a malleable clay than we realize and our Souls can and do influence same both automatically and sometimes consciously. 

For example, there are a number of what i consider high sources that talk about the reality and ability to keep staying young while connected to a body, even way past what people think they should live to age wise.  This can be an "outer indication" or symbol, of the consciousness who remains "young at heart" or rather loving, sweet, innocent, and pure. 

  Another example of the consciousness within, writing itself into or influencing the body physical, the "projected, symbolic image or reflection" of same.  And that's perhaps the best definition of what the physical is and means, it's a somewhat distorted reflection or after image of what consciousness is, expressed in a symbolic manner and form. 

    My sense is that as humanity goes through these Earth changes, and if we handle them right and grow to that golden age that so many different sources have talked about, that in living in tune with our spirits, and in harmony with the earth, attuning more to love, eating healthy and exercising properly, etc that the forms of humans many generations down the line will become somewhat slightly changed and refined, and great outer beauty will become the norm rather than the exception. 

Meanwhile, we have to work with what we got and the opportunities we have. 

  A good question is, what is beauty at it's core or essence.  I think "harmony" and balance is perhaps what both applies to both physical beauty and spiritual beauty.

  In astrology, the Planet Venus is most associated with physical beauty, good looks, etc.  Venus is also associated with inner character stuff that is related to kindness, tolerance, patience, sweetness, socialability, lovingness, harmony, and other traits we associate with closer to the spirit than not--aspects of refinement.

   It's interesting to note that often when Venus is very strong in  person's chart, particularly in relation to the Rising/Ascendent sign (and particularly when in the 1st House or conjunct the Rising degree), there is usually a lot of physical beauty or good looks, and tends to be more of those positive Venusian traits too.   But Venus does have it's dark side as well, and in a difficult chart wherein there is otherwise a lot of disharmony and the more selfishness and/or materialistic symbols are very strong also (Mercury, Mars, Saturn and Pluto principally), a strong Venus as well can indicate superficiality, manipulation, obsession with their image and beauty, behind the scenes gossiping and backbiting, laziness, over attachment to money/wealth, etc (traditionally negative "feminine" or Yin traits).

   

   
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Reply #26 - Feb 9th, 2014 at 2:35am
 
Those who value truth above all else recognise that truth is beauty and beauty is truth.
The ability to see things as they are is to see beauty, even if its ugly.
But for those who hate the truth and who cannot face things as they are, then lies, fantasy and delusion are the nearest they know of beauty. 

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