Hi everybody,

It's been quite some time since I last posted here. I have been posting on some other forums and worked my way around on my own website, optimized it for mobile use.

I would like to bring your attention to a topic on my forum that has been produced by a member of my forum and myself.
This member, Margriet, is an expert in the books of Jozef Rulof, but her english is quite poor. So she supplied the content and I did the translation.

It's called: Fallen Angels ??.
I really wanted to bring your attention to this topic because it has been an eye-opener to me and I hope it will be of any use for the members and visitors of this board too.

It's basically about: knowledge and conscious that has once been achieved cannot go lost.
Fallen angels do not exist. Moving higher in the spheres of light is only limited by your lowest character traits. That is what holds you from moving higher.

This may sound not so much as a surprise to some of you, but the interesting thing about it is that people who have reached a sphere of light and THEN are reincarnated on earth again to fullfill a task, to serve, that those people once they die and go back to the afterlife may end up in a LOWER sphere then where they left from.

This is caused by the confrontation with their lower character traits while on earth. Such traits, like chasing women, arrogance and so on, may cause those people to forget themselves and cause them to end up in a lower sphere in the afterlife once they go back there then if they had stayed overthere.

There is much more to say about it, but Margriet has written an excellent article about it with a lot of quotes from the books of Rulof, especially from 'The Origin of the Universe'.

I hope you will enjoy reading it. Like I said, translation was done by me, and my english is not that fluent either, but I trust things will be clear enough to get the picture.

If you have any questions, like to comment, please don't hesitate. That's what forums are for.


Regards,
Mogenblue / Frits

Baroness wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 5:31am:


Hi T'ressa,

Yes, you are mistaken. It's definately not the higher you go, the deeper you fall.

Consciousness that you have built up in previous incarnations will never go lost. But you still have character traits that are not all of the same level.
Your personality is a bundle of character traits and all of them are in different stages of development.

When you enter the afterlife and reach a certain sphere of light you make that your own. But usually when you have done that you still have some character traits that are of a lower attunement then what belongs to that sphere. If you don't confront yourself with those aspects of yourself they stay with you and they block you from moving higher.

So, when you reincarnate on earth again, to fullfill a task or something, or to serve, or whatever, then you are among people of all different levels of attunement. Then it is easier and more inevitable that you will be confronted with those lower character traits.
And if you then live it up and forget yourself the consequence of that will be that after that life you will end up in a lower sphere then from where you left on your mission to earth.
But the knowledge and consciousness that you have gained is not lost. You have obscured the light of the higher spheres by your irresponsible behavior. And you need then to work on that to get it back. So that makes it very much a matter of falling and standing up again. Step by step you overcome your lower character traits until you finally have overcome them all.

It's up to the knowledge and consciousness that you have built up in previous incarnations how deep you allow yourself to sink. So it's all in your own hands.
Higher masters of light have gained so much conscious that they don't make such mistakes anymore. They have overcome all those lower character traits, by experience.

You should read the topic to which I provided the link in the first post. It will make it much clearer to you. It's pretty long, but it's worth all the time. It will make much clear to you. I hope.
It's good reading stuff for the dark winter days.


Mogenblue

Bruce Moen wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Hello Bruce,
Yes, that is the problem with free will. People DO have that. And once they are back on earth again they remember nothing anymore of their time in hell. So they might even feel a sense of happiness of being back on earth again which could 'urge' them to forget themselves again.
But when things should go wrong those people at least have that experience to add to their inner archive as well. It's bad of course for the people they might have harmed in that life, but things like that may happen.

Bruce Moen wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:08pm:

I agree. That is what those people should focus on.
Today we have learned much more about who we are and what choices we have. That was more difficult say 50 or 100 years ago. Back then the church would threaten you with doom and eternal hell if you did not comply to their standards. That didn't make things much better. Assuming you were connected with that church of course.

Bruce Moen wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2013 at 6:08pm:

Yes, it's nice if experiences from various explorers match.
It does give a little more confidence

When you use your free common sense it does make sense like that. But of course such people still have to do it.
Such helpers that incarnate with them are not in for an easy life either, I guess.


Mogenblue

Hi Doc,

Thank you very much for your interesting reply.
There are actually two things on which I would like to respond. On the others I agree with you without further comment.

DocM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:55pm:

I agree that we are not guided by some group of saintly elders to keep reincarnating on earth. From what I have learned from Rulofs books this is certainly not in the hands of any kind of human being whatever level they may have achieved. Reincarnation on earth...
I think it is actually driven by the Divine Being of God self.
There are many laws that are specific for this planet and those things need to be learned for any human being. These things have been created by God and thus the enforcement of such things also lies with God self. Human beings simply don't have the powers, the CONSCIOUS, to handle that.

On the other hand there is a clear structure in the spheres in the afterlife. There are ascending higher spheres and descending lower spheres. Seven of each in total, but these are the main spheres. There are thousands and thousands of subspheres. A sphere is a representation of a conscious.

There is only one way to evolve higher in the spheres in the afterlife: by serving and loving other people, the life of God.

From what I have learned some spirits that have evolved in love and consciousness have taken it upon them to help beings that are not that far themselves. They do have a kind of organized structure and this is aimed towards serving other people. But as said before, such spirits have nothing to say at all about laws of reincarnation. These things go beyond their understanding and they bow their heads for the working and love of God.

DocM wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2013 at 11:55pm:


I think it is not terrifying at all. I think it is more realistic to think that if you act irresponsible, if you live it up and don't care for anything or anybody, that you should not expect to end up in a sphere of light.

Also, depending on the nature of your past life you don't need to end up in a 'firish' hell.
A very detailed description of the dark spheres has been given in the first book of Jozef Rulof: A View into the Hereafter. This is an introductory book and as such free available in pdf format on the internet. You will find a link to this book in my signature.
So I will not go into discussion of lower spheres and so.


Mogenblue

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Funny as ever. Hardly more intelligent then before.
(trying not say: just as stupid as before)


Mogy

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Mogy, this is caused by the confrontation with their lower character traits while on earth. Such traits, like chasing women, arrogance and so on, may cause those people to forget themselves and cause them to end up in a lower sphere in the afterlife once they go back there then if they had stayed overthere.

http://goo.gl/zRhM5d

I've read many NDEs where a person didn't want to return to this World, even if this person was quite Worldly before having the experience. This being the case, why would such a person (Soul) want to return many times?

There is also the factor of how Souls can learn from other Souls that have incarnated (lessons and knowledge can be shared). This makes it so each Soul doesn't have to incarnate numerous times in order to learn whatever it is that needs to be learned.

The main thing a Soul needs to do is choose a path that is based on love.  Once it does so, is it necessary to keep reincarnting?

Say a Soul ends up in a lower realm after its death. At some point it decides to move towards the light and live according to love. Does it need to incarnate again in order to tread the path of love, or can it also learn about love while in the World of spirit? It seems to me that many NDErs learn about love while in the World of spirit.

As some of you know, there are contradictory reports of how the spirit World operates.  This is the case even when each conflicting source of information seems to be legit. This being the case, could there be occasions when people are provided with information that doesn't represent the absolute truth, but might be helpful to some people? The spirit beings who provide information take into account the kind of information that will be beneficial to some people.

For example, they realize that some people have been feared into believing that if you don't believe and act according to a particular religion, you'll end up in a firey hell for all of eternity. Not only does this cause some people to be influenced in a negative way while here in the World, it might affect what they experience after they die.

Say the Swedenborg/Moen like lower realm viewpoint isn't true, rather, it is more of a matter of a Soul ending up in an isolated state for a while until it is able to move on towards a higher way of being. This is in line with what one of Bruce's exploration partner found when she had a look at what happens to people who did negative  things.  Paul Elder's book "Eyes of an Angel" provides a similar description. So do some NDErs.

If you try to tell a person who believes in the firery hell viewpoint about the Paul Elder like viewpoint, it might be too much for such a person to accept. They might conclude that such a viewpoint comes from Satan.  If you instead provide them with a Moen/Swedenborg like explanation, you might have better luck freeing them from the eternal firey hell viewpoint.

Here's another factor. I read (or listened to) a number of NDEs where an experiencer first experienced a hell like realm (each in his own unique way), at some point asked for help, received it, and then moved onto a much nicer place. Some of them would go through a life review/cleansing process that to some degree is similar to what Sylvia (the lady Bruce wrote about) experienced. My guess is that Sylvia didn't have to reincarnate again in order advance.   

I don't mean to come to a definite conclusion here. I'm just bringing up possibilities.

Perhaps things are set up so it "isn't" incredibly difficult for a Soul to find its way back to towards the light. A Soul just simpy needs to see that love is the most positive way available and be willing to let go of some false beliefs.

DocM wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 2:58pm:


Those are your words. Not mine.

Could you give some examples of original dictates by masters of light that you have encountered?
And can you also provide the sources where you have them from, like book title and so?


Mogenblue