Hello Kathy, and thank you for taking the time to write your post.
I agree that fear can be a problem, but I believe life is more complicated than that. Some people might be interested in engaging in sex in order to seek freedom from fear, but sometimes it is simply a matter of finding sex pleasurable. I don't mean just physical pleasure, but also the psychological buzz one gets when sex related chemicals are released within a body. A man can enjoy looking at an attractive woman even if he doesn't have sex, because doing so provides him with a buzz he can experience.
When I experience divine love I don't experience fear. When I feel it out, a sex buzz doesn't go along with divine love. They are two different energy levels with quite different mentalities.
People can be attached to sex to different degrees. Some people are porn addicts. Some people are okay with less frequent sexual experiences that aren't as depraved as porn can be.
Going by what I understand, the more one is attached to sex, the less one will be able to live according to divine love because our attachments define us and determine our overall energy level.
My spirit guidance made the point of letting me know that it would be helpful for me to overcome the idea that I need to be with a woman I find sexually attractive in order to be fullfilled. Here's an example experience I had that made this point.
I was in an Out of Body state. I came upon a lady I used to have a crush her. I tried to kiss her but she wouldn't let me. So instead I took off flying in an expanse of love and joy.
Another experience, I was lying in bed wondering what it means to be One Self. Suddenly I found myself walking down a city street (not physically). I was very happy and excited because I understood that everthing is One Self. I walked up to complete strangers and hugged them and they hugged me back because they also realized that everything is One Self. Then I hugged a lady I found physically attractive and she also found me attractive, and we couldn't experience each other as One Self, because we viewed each other in a man/woman kind of way, rather than as two divine beings.
One night I had a dream where I was in a room filled with people. Jesus was there and people had a really good feeling about him because he had a really nice vibe. He was very happy, humble and down to Earth. My father was there and he didn't like Jesus. He (my father) represented my egostical/body-based self. Jesus made a pass at a young lady and I knew this was contrary to how he otherwise seemed during this experience.
I believe this dream made the point that if I want to live according to the level of love Jesus lived according to, then I have to grow beyond the man-based tendency of being interested in women in sexual way. Our body-based drives are one thing, our higher self nature is another.
I'm not saying everybody needs to overcome their sex drive while here in this World, but perhaps we can't live according to our higher selves as completely as possible, if we insist on clinging to and identifying with body-based drives.
Lights of Love wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 11:53am:recoverer wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:11pm:Doc said: "Mogen brings up an interesting question which is, what if a person moves toward love, but certain personality aspects pull them down toward baser hateful thought? I would say this; again, the person is a conscious divine being. They will follow whatever their true nature is centered. Minor peccadillos will not impede a person's overall path. A person may always choose. And they can, at any point change their mind.
These baser thoughts are tied up with our earthly egos, which serve to protect us and need to be shed prior to moving on deeper into expressing love. In order for love to be pure and unconditional, it needs to be free of the ego. But none of our egos will be dismissed without a fight. True enlightenment is freeing oneself from the fear and desires our egos set upon us, and getting to the state of clear calm perception, which is our most basic empowered state of being."
Recoverer responds: I wonder what it takes to become free of lower urges. While in a body I experience divine love etc fairly often, yet I still have body-based desires.
Consider women I find attractive. Intellectually I understand that the image my mind forms when I look at a woman doesn't represent what a woman's body actually is (e.g., a bunch of biochemical reactions) or what a lady's Soul is, but yet I still find women attractive.
It is possible that my biological brain is partly responsible for this. It is wired so I find women attractive. To what extent will this continue after my body dies and I rejoin the spirit World? Some NDErs state that the illusions created by the physical body go away shortly after they leave their body. They no longer find bodies attractive.
On the other hand, consider what Carl Wickland and his wife Anna found. According to what they reported in "Thirty Years Among the Dead," a lot of Earthbound spirits that don't move onto the light possess people. They do so for various false ideas, attachments etc.
For more than thirty years the Wickland's would help people that were possessed by allowing the possessing spirits to take control of and speak through Anna's body, and then Carl would speak to the spirit until it overcame its confusion and moved on towards the light.
If what the Wickland's report is true (they had a lot of confirmations), how does this relate to lower realms? Do former alcholics go to an alchoholics hell, attach to an alchoholic who is alive, or either?
A PDF file of "Thirty Years Among the Dead" is available on the internet. Check out the chapter called "Theosophy." The spirits who speak through Anna say that reincarnation is not a true idea and it has caused a lot of just deceased people to possess people because such deceased people believe that they must try to reincarnate after they die. Perhaps this is what happened with the case studies Ian Stevenson made.
Hi Albert,
Why people think they need to free themselves from "lower urges" such as finding another person sexually attractive is only a limiting belief. Humans and all other sentient beings living in the ELS are born with the instinct to survive and procreate. That is simply the way ELS evolved and will continue to evolve. It is a part of the ELS consciousness in which we chose to experience. So, yes one could say that our "brains are wired" to procreate, but there is absolutely nothing innately wrong with that.
I think it is correct that the illusions of the body do dissipate after one no longer has a body unless as mentioned they hold onto the illusions because of an attachment. It is only when we have an ego attachment where we've become emotionally involved at a lower base of fearful, needy ego that we have problems. Sex addiction, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. are all a result of fear and an inability to deal with the fear effectively. People who use sex, alcohol, drugs to the point of addiction are only seeking relief from fear in which they know of no other way to gain relief from the pain they feel and of course this causes problems in all areas of the life in a continuing downward spiral until they learn how to release the fear and pain in more productive ways.
The only thing we need to free ourselves from is fear. Period. End of story!
Consider that each of us is an individualized conscious being where consciousness is simply information that is exchanged between each other and our environment. If we are sufficiently evolved where we have become love, meaning that we react to our environment motivated by love rather than fear, then we have little or nothing to be concerned about in regards to possession or being influenced by negative beings because a loving being is far more powerful than a negative one. It's all data, or information because we are consciousness. We change our state of consciousness at any time for the better or for worse.
As long as we are fearless, and use our intent we do not have to connect to others or allow them to connect to us. This goes for any type of negativity. However, as soon as one attaches him/her self to the negativity and becomes emotionally involved, it attaches to you, which then causes you to be more attached and experience more fear, upset, struggle, unpleasant and painful experience, which then causes the negativity to become even more attached to you and you to it like a vicious circle that goes on in an ever increasing downward spiral that traps you in its grip until the energy in it is dissipated. This is true of an attachment to even a fearful thought you may harbor... it's all information that we react to and we can choose to react either from love or fear. Love will uplift us, fear will cause a downward spiral and we will remain stuck in the grip of fear until we learn to dissolve the energy within it. This is true for either here in ELS or in the non-physical because we are individualized consciousness.
Isn't this what a retriever does? Help someone that is stuck in an emotional fear to let go of the fear so they can move on?
Kathy
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