Doc:

I'm certain you understand that if one took an approach of moral relatavism, then just about any action can be thought of in terms of the meaning one attaches to such action.

Sexual energy is quite a different thing than divine love and can be quite captivating.  We define our being by what we are captured by.  Not all of the things we can be captivated by are equal. Some delude and limit us more than others.

Here's another way to put it. Can you imagine a person who still has sexual desires merging with the light (God)?  I say this isn't possible because divine love and oneness don't go along with lust.

I've found that the more I've let go of limiting thought patterns and ways of being, the more I've been able to connect with the light.  If I want to do so more, then perhaps I need to overcome the sex-drive as much as is possible.

It is also a matter of not wanting to be a slave to body-based thought patterns.



DocM wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

We can either:

1.      Drop out of this planetary school any time we choose. Or,

2.      Persevere to solve its problems, overcome it tests, and thus fully unfold and realise ourselves, and leave with full graduation and the benefits thereof.

Of course part of reaching graduation requires that we dissolve all our emotional interpersonal bonds by right use of true love, which does not bind but sets free.

All interpersonal emotional exchanges create interpersonal bonds, which are a cyclic pattern of mutual energy interaction that draws souls together repeatedly until the energy cycle is dissolved. The more intense exchanges between people create the stronger bonds. Energies exchange and interlock. Just as an individual’s personality patterns are cyclic packages of energy, so too a couple’s interactive patterns are cyclic, half of each mutual package stored in each of them when apart, draws them together by attractive charge and exact fit, and is released, recycled and re-energised upon contact and interaction.

Sexual encounters create the strongest bonds. That has nothing to do with meaning or interpretation; it’s a mechanical fact and is either known or not. In sex a ripple runs the length of the male’s soul-thread from base to crown, through all centres, and releases all his packages of energy / personal mental-emotional inclinations from all centres, and the female takes them on, from every sexual encounter and semblance thereof. It goes from him to  her because he releases it (+) and she's receptive (–) to it. She then releases some of this taken up energy at her period time which is absorbed and processed by the planet, except at times when the planet is due for her own period and she’s bloated and can’t attract and take up all the female energy, and then much of that energy stays in the females causing difficulties. The female releases more if she gives birth which goes into the child, along with hers, but much of his energy/personality inclinations remains in her and is expressed and circulated as part of her personality inclinations.

Her love-forgiveness as a wife for her husband and his flaws, and as a sister to other men and women, is the only thing that dissolves these energies in her self and frees her from a type of madness that it causes. A couple’s mutual love-forgiveness dissolves each other’s energetic packages and prevents enmeshment and prevents her taking up his personality faults converting them to her female expressive equivalent. This and much more is visible to some. But I’m digressing. 

The more and stronger bonds we have and thus the more emotionally entangled with others we are, the more work we have to do to graduate from this planetary school.

But that doesn’t matter if we intend to drop out without graduating.
But two things make dropping out difficult to do and tend to pull us back into incarnation.
They are the attraction like a static charge of the interpersonal bonds themselves to meet again and circulate to express and energise themselves; and our sense of wanting to dissolve them before we go.
If we want to drop out we must disregard undissolved bonds / unfinished business and go.
Another soul with similar issue, a stand in, will take our place in that bond. 

There is a third option:

3.      We can just muddle along, neither dropping out nor pursuing graduation, just keep living entangled lives of interpersonal enmeshment, artificial drama and fantasy, driven mainly by jealousy and hatred and the consequences thereof forever.

And if we want to, we can even look good while doing it by raising our selfish and emotional solar plexus energies, without transmuting them, up to the heart centre's left chamber, and in so doing blocking off the heart centre's central opening through which is expressed true love-forgiveness and the true descending virtues. Then we get to be rotten while looking and feeling good. (Eccl. 10:2) We can then indulge in all sorts of apparent goodness, such as “loving” promiscuity, anti-truthism, Godless altruism, Christless love, moral relativism, self-centred caring, image conscious compassion, rational irrationalism, emotional idealism, and all forms of leftism, for another 2000 years, or for as long as we wish. And most won't be able to see who we really are. We will even fool ourselves. And we can bait and recruit the naïve. (Inherent within Christendom is its anti-thesis.)

So it’s just a personal choice thing really. 

For those who do wish to graduate:

Christianity, and its doctrines and customs, including its marriage model, is an accelerated graduation system.

 
Do bear in mind that I might be making all this up, or I might not be.

We are all together on our own in finding truth. 

crossbow

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he he, you're putting the pressure on me Justin.

Was Jesus married? In myself I know this answer, but can only vaguely grasp it. The answer is both yes and no. Married in a sense most cannot comprehend and only a few can barely comprehend. And unmarried in a sense most cannot comprehend and only a few can barely comprehend. Marriage completed, rare and in the highest sense. And the first of its time. But not as he would have appeared married, as we know it, to anyone observing.

My understanding on marriage, its idea, its workings, its purpose, is still in wordless and pictureless form.
Too overwhelming for my mind and heart to fully perceive.
I can see its horizons, its greater features, but it goes further.
Some things are so hard to hold and feel like they will burst the brain and heart.
Some things can only be fathomed when we disengage our self from the physical, and when we settle back in and our poor brain and heart cannot receive it, and we only have the memory of something vaster than we can grasp, with only a few of its landmark features, qualities, and vaguely its purpose.   

I refer to Christian marriage - one man, one woman, under one God, in one love, till death.

Marriage is something as follows; the words are vague pointers only, not in sequence, and may seem contradictory even superficial because they are in comparison to the  subject matter.
Marriage is:
•  A vessel of mutual soul growth.
•  A partnership of progress through the system.
•  Is part of the Christian Accelerated Graduation System (Christianity), one God, one life and one chance, one saviour - love-forgiveness, and its teacher Jesus.
•  Marriage love ranges from self centred bodily love eventually through to identical to the Christ love, but contained within the marriage.
•  The marriage replicates Christ.
•  The marriage dissolves other interpersonal/intersoul enmeshments.
•  One wife, one husband, for one life prevents creating other enmeshments.
•  When the marriage is lived right, pre Christian era enmeshments and post Christian era enmeshments of other marriages are gradually, life by life or even in one life, eliminated, so that the couple have one marriage, life after life.
•  Marriage love-forgiveness cures character flaws in self and the other; makes each other perfect, in their sight, in understanding, and in actuality. Love and forgiveness cures.
•  Christian marriage is scaled down model in which to develop and exercise Christ love, then to apply it outside of the model. 
•  Only the wife/husband is loved as the wife/husband.
•  The love of brothers and sisters models the Christ love for all persons.
•  The love of parents for children, love of children for parents, love of and from grand parents, each of these loves is a model for Christ love outside the marriage.
•  The Christian living plus the Christian marriage or the Christian single life, is the system.

Some on the Nature of love and false love
All existence/creation exists in the mind of God, and love is what comes from the heart of God, and is for the creation, as a beacon to guide particles of consciousness back at their own pace, though they never get there because creation is not God but part of God and so the number of creation is 0.999999 infinitum. And there is a spirit of love for Earth, called Christ, and Jesus lived and demonstrated it in full capacity. If our love is love, and not emotional false love, then it is not our love, it is the spirit of love for earth moving through our heart. All true love is the circulation of this spirit through hearts, and it purifies them. It is a living thing, conscious, communicates with man, only in his heart, is obedient to man, within the limits of its own purpose and what it is good for man. As love is the draw of God upon life, then any thing asked of God in love's name if possible is granted, because doing so aligns us with the draw of God, which is our destiny.

There is no love that denies Christ and the teachings of Jesus, because he taught love. Those who cringe from the name of the Lord of Hearts and try to exceed him with an alternative goodness are fakes. If you want to spiritually fall, follow them. They like words like equality, egalitarianism, compassion, non-judgemental, humanitarianism, but watch their eyes and colours change at the mention of the name of the Lord of Hearts. They hide hatred behind an image of caring. Look at their history, see them in mass when they get total control, they murder the very minority groups they seduced to help them gain power, and they will again. Even now watch the homosexuals, the poor, the unemployable, falling for their charm just as they have before. Watch the naïve get seduced, thinking they are amongst the good people. John warned us of them. They are one and many. They arose as opposition and competition with the arrival of the Lord of Hearts, because they hate truth and love. Christianity is a divided kingdom. Every western country, every institution, even the church, every school of thought, every individual is divided left and right. A line runs down the centre of our souls, unique to western souls. It cleaves our hearts, give our hearts their power for love and their evil. It is the western heart. Jesus told us he would divide us and he has, right through our hearts and through every part of us. Every person who  has been exposed to Jesus' teachings in this life or another is such divided. Non Christian races and no non-Christianised persons have such division in their souls, and their institutions do not divide. They are collective people, lacking freewill to the same extent. Their societies roll instead of walk. They do not hate as much nor love as much as we. They are driven to hate by jealousy. But the haters that arose in Christendom who  deny and cringe from their Christianity have pure hatred of truth and hatred of true love and their main tool of manipulation to motivate others to hate too is to incite their jealousy and envy, and their victimhood, indignance, and false superiority. The powerful haters in the west, in and of Christendom, with their powerful split hearts seduce others into hatred and convince them they are caring to make them allies against Christendom. 

Reader, don't believe me or trust me, don't trust spirits, go see for yourself, leave your body, circulate the Earth, look down on the colours of the auras of the races and the nations, their institutions, and the collective individuals of the world. Look at the conflict lines on the world. Look at the masses, the leaders and the focal points of conflicts. Look at the range of colours of hearts and souls. See where and who are the brightest souls on Earth, see where and who are the darkest souls on Earth. Surprised? Not quite as you thought? Doesn't make sense? How can it be? Your sense of right and wrong, good and evil, scrambling in your head? Extend/dip down into the colours of the hearts and souls of the people and races of the world, immerse yourself in the colours and feel their flavours, their motives and intents, their characters, if you can stand it and retain your sanity. Perhaps you will see for yourself that I'm wrong ... or right.


crossbow

The true opposition to good is not apparent evil but apparent good.

I tend to be somewhat liberal myself, I suppose when going by that last post by Crossbow.  For me, love transcends gender, and I wouldn't condemn any loving relationship between two men, two women, etc. 

Nor would I say that the billions of non-christians, many of whom find a path to love (which is the essence of the gospels) without the name of Christ are evil or off base.  I think Christ's message of love is what is important, not the adherence to a human text or language per se.  But hey, that is just my take on it. 

M

1796 wrote on Dec 16^th, 2013 at 1:52am:

It would be an interesting thing to do; to have us gather all together. I don't know how I would respond until I experienced it. Anything I tell myself now is a story... There are times in my life, in a space that is defined, that I have to say "no!" and act on that.  In my business... I've had to banish individuals who were verbally abusive to other customers,  masturbatory  in the kid's section,  so drunk I had to get help to carry them out,  robbing the shop.... there are times to draw a line and protect the integrity of the space. Like - wise in other areas of my work. I might invite a Being into a space ( their function is useful towards the intention of my jobs) ...and almost always I need to banish them afterwards. To keep the space workable.  To protect the integrity of the work. There are some I've worked with so constant, well, to banish them,( they're part of my weave) it would be like cutting off a hand.... One of the best magic words you can stand behind is the word "no!"  It depends on what you're doing of course, what the specific work is. In playing music with others, I've mostly said "yes!"  But if it's not in my line or their level is too far below me  or above me...I''m not up to it. I 've had to sometimes say no. Getting up on stage with them just wouldn't work.. Make sense?  My point is: saying "yes" or "no" isn't a yes or no proposition.

Griffin wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:12pm:

Yes naturally. I consider the limit is at the point of harm to others, which is as your examples. I was referring to free speech on a public typed forum - not examples as drunken slobbery, robbery, incompetence at work and such. A lot of people like to feign being offended, intimidated, harmed, just to get their way and they wind up believing it themselves. Pretending to be offended is the oldest trick in the book for silencing, manipulating and oppressing good but weak people, and is the commonest excuse used to justify attacks. Spiritually mature people don't get offended. 

Yes it would be interesting to get together.  Who would have me in your home?   

crossbow

Doc:

I suppose each person needs to find the approach that works for he or she.

DocM wrote on Dec 17^th, 2013 at 11:31pm:

Mmmmm... chocolate... Yum Yum... I'm thinking about love already!