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Why bother incarnating physcially? (Read 14239 times)
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Reply #15 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 2:32pm
 
Well, Griffin, the topic may be serious but the intention isn't grave. I think I've said enough. I know of several others who have had similar observations. To my surprise, the tunnel popped up in a blog some days ago. I'm not into all her posts, but there are some interesting ones:

http://goo.gl/MF3BfR
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Reply #16 - Nov 4th, 2013 at 9:11pm
 
What, you can let go of your chakras? I don't even necessarily pay attention to my chakras, but this woman is saying you can totally let go of them? Some interesting stuff.

And, skip the white light to skip the 4th dimension to go straight to the 5th? In other words, skip the belief system territories and go to some other elevated level, skip your friends and relatives and make new friends in the 5th dimension? Wow. Would anyone really want to do that, to just skip over that part of the afterlife experience?

And, she makes it sound like if you go to your "reward" after this life that you will automatically get sucked back into this earth dimension through reincarnation. To me, that sounds like more "fear" talk. Be afraid, very afraid. Just kidding.

But, she seriously says, don't go into the light, stop and decide where you want to go? Are you kidding me? From what people describe in their near death experiences, a lot happens in an instant. And an instant can become an eon.

How the heck can she just state that this and that is true like that? Aren't we all individuals? Aren't we all going to have an experience that is tailor made for us?

If we get lost, we are found. Maybe that's something we need to experience. At least, there is a lot of joy in that.
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Reply #17 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 8:29am
 
I guess I just find this kind of information from that link confusing, along with other kinds of information which suggests to people that the white light is something to be avoided, that it is some kind of soul trap. As well as the idea that there might be those on the other side who pretend to be loved ones...

I don't really find that to be supported by the near death stories I have read. It is upsetting to think that people might be forced to return to the earth, no matter what condition it or its people are in. It causes me to wonder, what, is the other side too crowded that people "must" return to earth and can't simply advance on their own in the afterlife if they are not ready to populate a "higher" level.

I have been looking at this afterlife subject for years, hoping for some way to tie everything together. All I really know is that there is some kind of intelligence operating in my life.

That doesn't help to explain why we appear to be overcome by our own ruthlessness and exploitation of others/resources.

I read that when people came to the U.S. that they found a beautiful place because the natives had realized long before them how to live without ruining everything. They had killed off most of the large game and realized they had to live another way, at some point in the past. Not that they were perfect little angels, but they were trying to move past the blatant urge to treat the earth like a disposable commodity.

I guess I am full of questions right now. That can be annoying sometimes.

But, I awoke from a dream in which I was finding happiness in speaking to someone I haven't talked to in a very long time. It was on someone's phone, which was a big old-fashioned looking thing, and I heard this person's name and immediately insisted to the owner of the phone that I just needed to say hello. So we talked for a bit, my old friend and me.

Then, I was thinking of the place we used to live in a nostalgic way. It was immediately there, in a slightly altered form, but my mind was telling me "familiar, familiar" and it was a good feeling. When I awoke it was going to slip away instantly, that memory, but I remembered.

I had been becoming lucid in the dream, and wanted to examine everything, when my alarm went off. I was feeling the wood of a bureau, feeling its hardness, and looking at the items scattered on top of it.

If it was an illusion, purely created from my mind, what can that tell me about the belief system territories on the other side? I wonder.

If I am drifting off topic, I apologize. What I am struggling with is the idea that it is much more difficult to make sense of things while in a fully operating "system" -- to change one's focus and direction and to fully use one's creative powers -- when in a fully operating system -- as opposed to wiping the slate clean and starting over. Just erasing it. That is very freeing, but then you might kind of miss some of the elements of the previous more chaotic time.

So, maybe that is part of what we are learning here. If we move on to become creators of complex systems in our own right, perhaps this earth experience is just the ticket. It may be what we need to help us understand from inside the system just exactly what it feels like to live under those conditions.

If we had "godlike" powers, wouldn't we need to know what we were doing to our creations?
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Reply #18 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 11:12am
 
seagull, she can just state that this and that is true because they are her individual experiences? If you have questions or comments about her experiences, you could try writing on her blog.

I could present drugs to you as a way to unwind, feel good and be happy, and every point otherwise as fear talk, and that you don't need to pay attention to the negative experiences of some, in order to have a splendid positive experience. You could take it at face value. You could also explore and make up your own mind and shed light on more of the picture purposely or unknowingly left out. Good or bad intentions doesn't necessarily mean something is true or false. Again, personal exploration helps with uncovering that.

If arriving at a place in front of a council of light for a life review, that presents you going back to earth as a judgement and an unavoidable fact, you might take that in as how it is, and do as you're told. "Thank you so very much, you're kind beyond measure! Please, pretty please, I'll do anything to go back!" If you know otherwise you'll do better than getting sucked in, even if arriving there or visiting friends in strange realms. No disk members need to take a bow to any council in the astral. But they can take a bow, of course. Focus 27 is a place where to make better informed decisions than in other areas in the astral.

Imo Carla isn't wrong about everything in her blog, nor right about everything neither. I'm not kidding about that, even if it makes you go wow one more heck of a time.

In order to make a learning ground as a disk, maybe with other disks, for other disks, a full understanding of light and dark polarity would be most helpful. For some reason this is a dog eat dog world, but there are other communal worlds "out there" that function the other way around, which makes for other challenges. Neither this, other similar worlds, nor some of the light makes right worlds are balanced. If they were balanced, there would be nothing to learn, as annoying as that sounds.
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Reply #19 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 11:53am
 
Thank you for your reply. I kind of understand what you are saying, about as much as I understand anyone. Sometimes I find this planet so frustrating. It is as if we are all speaking foreign languages with each other, with a hit and miss understanding. 

At times I think the world of our dreams, in sleep, is more real than the one I wake up to. And that thought is strangely comforting.
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Reply #20 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
Oh, wow, seagull, you are posing some of the questions and answers about the afterlife I have had and wondered about although I have never worried about the light.  It is so nice to know someone else has those same questions.  I will try to have a conversation with my guides this morning and see if I get anything more than more questions. Roll Eyes

Thanks for the head start,
T'ressa

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  I asked my guides if the light was a necessary part of the death and afterlife experience?  They responded "No."  Everyone is different and has different experiences."  I then asked if we have to reincarnate.  They said "No" 

That was my personal guides who may or may not be part of my subconscious.  I then started on a retireval and when my helper George showed up, I asked him how much he knew of the afterlife and could he answer my questions or did he need time to find out?  Jan another regular helper came forward.  I had the feeling she was there to help not so much with the retrievals but with the questions.  I asked if suicides had to reincarnate right away.  Jan hesitated as if thinking of the right words.  She finally said, "Every situation is different as every soul is different."  I then asked if I could use the light to transport souls I was retrieving.  They said, "Yes, but why would you?"

I asked, "Wouldn't it be faster?"

All I got back was "No."  I felt I better not push this questioning and save some for a later time, and I do have a lot more questions.  After all, they are helpers in soul retrievals and we better get on with it for today.

If this is a bit off topic, sorry.
T' Smiley
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Reply #21 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 4:49pm
 
Thank you, T'ressa. Such a good idea. I must remember to go within.
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Reply #22 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 12:48am
 
Bob,  thanks for that link and your thoughts related to it. I feel discombobulated.
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Reply #23 - Nov 6th, 2013 at 9:08pm
 
Seagull:

At this moment I don't have time to read everything you wrote, but are you talking about the Knight lady who says she channels Ramtha? If so, I wouldn't worry about what she says.

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Reply #24 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 11:55am
 
Thanks, Recoverer, but it doesn't really matter. I just realized that I am being a little ridiculous. Who am I to think that I can just read a lot and try a few experiments and think I can figure out what countless people before me have tried to do? What makes me think I am any smarter or somehow more curious or actually more lucky so as to find the answers to "life and death"...

I am so grateful for simply having hope in a life after this one, and the possibility of greater understanding someday. If I can simply live a decent life each day and do my best, that's all that really matters in the end, of that I can be sure.
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Reply #25 - Nov 10th, 2013 at 6:08pm
 
Seagull-

What you said is probably the most important of all. Some of us spend so much time and effort researching and wondering about the afterlife.  If only we had the same commitment to finding and fulfilling the purpose of our own life here and now.

We need to realize we already won the lottery by being born!  For that we should be thankful each day.

In spite of what some people say, no one really knows what the afterlife is like or what happens after death.  Our life can be greatly enriched by focusing on helping others where we can, and trusting that a good life is its own reward and that what will be, will be.

Your message shows lots of wisdom.

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Reply #26 - Nov 11th, 2013 at 7:42am
 
Thank you, Rondele, I love what you just said about a good life being its own reward. Last night was the first night my dog, which I've had since 9 weeks of age, slept through the night with me, so that I did not have to separate her from me. This breed does not become an adult until around 3 years of age. So, consequently, she wakes up and plays in the middle of the night most of the time, or gets busy some other way. I thought we would always be that way. But, it happened, and we had a peaceful night, and woke up happy. Things are how they should be, and life is good. It's moments like these that make my life worth it, totally worth it. Reconnecting with old friends, having good and satisfying work, where I can make a difference in people's lives, going to a lunch counter where someone knows my name, enjoying a fine sunny day which is not too cold and not too hot, freedom to be who I am and live how I choose, enough money and resources to have a decent life but not the complications of wealth or the despair of poverty, moments of peace and awareness of beauty -- these things make my life worth living and this incarnation truly a blessing.

It doesn't take much to make this life worth living. Appreciation of the goodness in others, even when hope seems to be lost....everyone has bad days, sometimes bad weeks, sometimes bad years....but things can and do get better. It's true.
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Reply #27 - Nov 12th, 2013 at 10:36am
 
You are right. Appreciation makes all the difference.  If all of your day, or week, or year is bad, then you are not looking for the good stuff, the beauty, the love, the sunshine, the thousand little things that make life worth living.

Sending Love, Smiley
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Reply #28 - Nov 16th, 2013 at 10:20pm
 
Hey Bob,
I have always wondered about the light trap. Personally, I am suspicious to go to the "white light" as the only way to pass on. I have read some good authors saying it is a scam - actually if I recall correctly Monroe itself said something about it.
Can you elaborate more about it? Thanks.
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Reply #29 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 4:04am
 
Bruce Moen wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 1:08pm:
Warpz,

Even Heaven can get boring.  Personally, I incarnated here as a vacation from eternity.

Bruce



Bruce can you elaborate a little more on this?

Earth life can be mighty boring too... Whats the REAL difference?

There is so much suffering going on here on Earth....

Are we actually forced to incarnate? Like a "wheel of reincarnation" type scenario?

I guess I am asking questions about the mechanics of how it works.... Are we just thrown into life in a mechanical sense or do we CHOOSE? AND- How certain are you of this?

How much free-will choice is involved in physically incarnating?
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