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Om Brzee Namaha
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What are the risk of summoning the dead people?
Sep 28th, 2013 at 3:14am
 
Hello everyone

This time I decided to use the mantra to summon the dead people to my lucid dream but i need to know if it's safe to do so. I don't want to the dead people to influence their thoughts and feelings upon me or against my freewill choice, i just want to meet the dead people in my lucid dream, have the conversation with them and maybe help them out of their situation. I just want to have good karma while i'm physically alive.

If anyone got any comments please reply. I don't want to be possessed by the dead or something like that.

THank for reading






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Reply #1 - Sep 28th, 2013 at 9:04am
 
In one sense, the dead are already part of you, because there is a part of you which is vast and wide and encompasses much more than you imagine while in a physical body. So, they and we are part of all that is, which is very much alive.

If you have fear you can ask for protection. The choice is yours. We always have helpers nearby, so you cannot, I repeat, cannot really be alone. We are not alone and we are not at the mercy of whatever we fear.

Your love and attention are powerful. They can work wonders everywhere, no matter who you are, no matter where you are.
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Reply #2 - Sep 28th, 2013 at 12:32pm
 
People can be influenced by spirits in negative ways even when they don't make conscious contact. Spirits will influence people without such people knowing that they are being influenced.

What it comes down to is using our free will in a wise and loving way. If we choose to do negative things, unfriendly spirits might become aware of this and try to influence us to become even more negative.

If we make conscious contact with spirits we always need to use our discrimination and not just assume that every spirit that comes along is friendly and knows what is it talking about.

If we allow our energy field to become weak by doing things such drinking alcohol, taking drugs, eating unhealthy, and engaging in negative ways of thinking and negative ways of acting, it becomes easier for an unfriendly spirit to penetrate our energy field.

If you become aware of an unfriendly spirit visiting you, send it love. I've found that this approach works and so have others. It is also good to ask for help from friendly spirits.
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Reply #3 - Sep 29th, 2013 at 7:41am
 
I assume that much of the previous post contains cautions, not rules for people to follow. Without shadows there would be no appreciation of the light. I always say, do what works for you.
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Reply #4 - Sep 29th, 2013 at 1:07pm
 
My understanding is that when our Souls were first created they weren't downloaded with programs that made it impossible for us to have free will. As a result we were created with incomplete knowledge. As a result we make many mistakes as we try to find the most wisest and loving way of existence that is possible.   

There is a lot of negativity in this World not because we need it, but because a lot of Souls are having difficulty finding a positive way of being. Amongst the mistakes that can be made are being influenced by negative beings. If one naively takes an "everything is cool" approach, one is more likely to be deceived by the unfriendly influences that mislead people.

Evil is a possibility in this Universe just as good is. Wonderful will be the day when all Souls have found that love is the preferential way rather than a way that doesn't care about the welfare of others and in many cases causes others to suffer. Suffering that is real no matter how one (perhaps a questionable channeled source or guru) tries to spin it. For example, the many children who are forced into prostitution.

Yes,  sometimes the bad helps us appreciate that which is good. But how many children need to be forced into prostitution, how many women need to beaten, and so on, in order for us to get to the point where we can appreciate that which is good?

Cautions vs rules? I suppose if I was motivated by love "cautions" is the answer. I've had a lot of experiences with spirits and I believe caution needs to be taken. 


seagull wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 7:41am:
I assume that much of the previous post contains cautions, not rules for people to follow. Without shadows there would be no appreciation of the light. I always say, do what works for you.

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Reply #5 - Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:30pm
 
No one needs to suffer in the ways in which you describe.

There is no need to suffer, but suffer we do, because that is the nature of this world. There is no denying it. And there is no denying that there are always those who care deeply about others and want the best for them, as you obviously do.

My point is that avoiding certain things does not necessarily mean you will avoid suffering. Avoiding certain things does not make a person a superhero who has no vulnerabilities. It is our very vulnerability which makes us human, which makes us cry over the pain others feel. Without that pain how could we help anyone at all? We simply would not care.

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Reply #6 - Sep 29th, 2013 at 6:45pm
 
Seagull:

Related to what you said at the end, I believe that one of the things living in this World does is help us learn about empathy/compassion.

seagull wrote on Sep 29th, 2013 at 4:30pm:
No one needs to suffer in the ways in which you describe.

There is no need to suffer, but suffer we do, because that is the nature of this world. There is no denying it. And there is no denying that there are always those who care deeply about others and want the best for them, as you obviously do.

My point is that avoiding certain things does not necessarily mean you will avoid suffering. Avoiding certain things does not make a person a superhero who has no vulnerabilities. It is our very vulnerability which makes us human, which makes us cry over the pain others feel. Without that pain how could we help anyone at all? We simply would not care.


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Reply #7 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 12:10am
 
Om Brzee Namaha wrote on Sep 28th, 2013 at 3:14am:
Hello everyone

This time I decided to use the mantra to summon the dead people to my lucid dream but i need to know if it's safe to do so. I don't want to the dead people to influence their thoughts and feelings upon me or against my freewill choice, i just want to meet the dead people in my lucid dream, have the conversation with them and maybe help them out of their situation. I just want to have good karma while i'm physically alive.

If anyone got any comments please reply. I don't want to be possessed by the dead or something like that.

THank for reading


Hi. Never use Bruce Moens imagination method of contacting the so called 'dead'!. It is so false and flawed it is beyond my 'imagination'! It is nothing but self-induced, sub-conscious, personally constructed  internal mental imagery conversational scripts based on self hypnosis workshop/book-programs of old. Regards and Love. Carl and Family.   







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Reply #8 - Sep 30th, 2013 at 9:17am
 
Carl, you forget to mention one very important detail: it's false and flawed for .. you.

The concept of using imagination as a springboard into the astral is very simple. An example is imagining doing something very down to earth, like baking bread. Imagining the nuances involved in doing that process. The movement, the smell, the texture, the table and so on.

What is the point of this? It's evident when your focus has shifted from the familiar earth focus into an astral focus. A very obvious shift once you experience it, and very obvious that it's beyond mere mental imagery.
For some it's more vivid than the vision you have reading this.

Bottom line. It does work, for some.
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Re: What are the risk of summoning the dead people?
Reply #9 - Oct 1st, 2013 at 7:14pm
 
Om Brzee Namaha wrote on Sep 28th, 2013 at 3:14am:
Hello everyone

This time I decided to use the mantra to summon the dead people to my lucid dream but i need to know if it's safe to do so. I don't want to the dead people to influence their thoughts and feelings upon me or against my freewill choice, i just want to meet the dead people in my lucid dream, have the conversation with them and maybe help them out of their situation. I just want to have good karma while i'm physically alive.

If anyone got any comments please reply. I don't want to be possessed by the dead or something like that.

THank for reading


You are YOU. The dead can only influence you unless you allow it to be so....


...of course, the undead spirit of the crayola crayon that you horribly mangled in the crayon sharpener has the same power over you. If you believe it to be, so it shall be. So it is with evil spirits and dead spirits. As it is, shall it be. So sayeth the Lord God.


...eh? get it?

Regardless and anyways, a dream is often out of your control, even while you are aware of the dream. Lucid dreaming is a hard to create occurrence, and I am fairly certain that a direct connection with lucid dreaming and the afterlife has yet to be established with any certainty.


...So... dream away. Nothing wrong with being a dreamer.

...although...

Sometimes we dreamers.... just get in the way.

But I am a dreamer.... and a dreamer dreams.

I dream the dream of being... anything.

...Maybe someday.....
....I'll be someone....


......Someday.
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