Not only are there problems with Swedenborg's
Last Judgement and
his
Second Coming of Jesus.
We also have the lack of clear retrievals in Swedenborg's writings. There
could be a simple reason for that. Swedenborg was very stuck in his
own Christian beliefs.
I think it is unlikely that Swedenborg managed to make much astral travels
to other places than Focus 25. A person who only can go to F 25, can have
severe problems in helping people reach F 27.
I think that's the reason why there are so few clear accounts of Swedenborg
on retrievals. Maybe he did help some people be retrieved as it probably
is enough with talking to some stuck people to enable Helpers to step
in and retrieve the stuck person to Focus 27.
But it's very doubtful that Swedenborg ever was farther than the Hollow Heavens
and Hells in F 25, where he saw people be thrown.
Swedenborg may not be the ideal person to do retrievals.
Berserk wrote on Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:48am:RETRIEVALS:
One of the things that has bothered me about ES is his failure to mention the possibility of performing retrievals. His astral insight that new discarnates in the World of Spirits gradually ascend to a heaven or descend to a hell may already imply the use of retrievals.
But now I've found a passage in Benz that seem to imply that ES even retrieved some evil discarnates in Hell:
"The devils he converts change before his eyes, lose their bestial form, and regain their human faces (Benz, p. 327).
Berserk, I'm not so sure that's a clear-cut retrieval.
It could be Swedenborg's own overlay on a person, which caused that
person to look like a monster. When Swedenborg sent that person PUL,
the appearance of that person changed.
Berserk wrote on Sep 8th, 2005 at 6:03pm:Also, few realize that the New Testament teaches the possibility of postmortem soul retrievals (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:29; 1 Peter 3:19-20; 4:6).
Berserk, maybe there are some advice for retrievals, but I really doubt it as
those quotes are from the Bible, which means that they are the results of
more religious stupidity.
Also, those passages from the Bible are very sketch, like the cartoonish Noah's Ark
and the 8 people and two creatures of all animals who enter the Ark. Even
Hollywood today has problems with making movies on the theme
of Noah's Ark for other than kids.
Berserk2 wrote on Jan 7th, 2012 at 2:16am:On this site, there is a retrieval section. In contrast to ES, the rarity of any veriifications reported here and the vast gap in evidential value of alleged verifications (compared to ES) persuades me, sadly, that none of these retrieval reports are genuine. I regret this because, if I'm allowed, soul retrievals would be my ministry of choice in the afterlife, and the New Testament and early church teach that retrievals are possible.
I don't think retrievals' purpose is to give ego trips or make anyone a minister
over others. That's religion.
Preaching something which could be a new build of yet another Belief System
is not purposeful. Maybe you instead could become a teacher, who shows
people open doors where they could make their own discoveries?
A minister can only preach what's already chopped into stone, and most of it
is religious stupidity. Bible-talk.
I agree that the lack of verifications is a little disturbing, but at the same
time, maybe there is some reason for us not getting verifications that
often? If we get to know a lot of deceased people, couldn't we later on
be affecting live people's lives in a way which we have no right to do?