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Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:14pm
 
  I haven't read all of the posts about 2012.  I am therefore not informed about all of the claims about the calendar 2012, and supposed changes to the earth consciousness or whatever.  I'm sorry if that sounds trite.  I write this introductory paragraph as a disclaimer but I don't think that discounts completely what I am going to say.  First, I have a related story.
  I remember a preacher I used to listen to on the radio who used to claim the world was going to end in 1993.  He had biblical interpretations of obscure Old Testament prophecies and such to back it up.  It freaked me out.  However the world did not end.  I quickly realized it is best to live life as if your life could end at any time, but also to live life fully; free of fear of the change, as change is inevitable, as the Buddhists would emphasize.  We will all die, and the world will end at some future date (the sun will go nova eventually, after all), but just because the Mayans created a calendar that didn't plan far enough in advance doesn't mean that everything will change towards the end of this year.  Life will almost certainly just go on.  I respectfully suggest we deal with that reality and move on.
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Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2012 at 3:55am
 
Well said.
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Reply #2 - Nov 7th, 2012 at 8:29pm
 
The Mayan calendar question is in the same class as the apocalyptic date setters for the 2nd coming of Christ or the end of the world as we know it.  Not even the Mayans interpreted 12/21/ 2012 in a life-changing way.  But the real issue is the psychological research on cognitive dissonance, the reaction triggered by the discrediting of passionately held beliefs. 

For example, when the date is fixed for the 2nd coming of Christ and the date uneventfully passes, the initial reaction is typically to reaffirm even more strongly that the prophetic impulse was valid, but just needs fine tuning.  It is often takes several discrediting moments of truth for "believers" to acknowledge that their method of calculation is bogus.  Several New Agers are already anticipating the decisive discrediting of 12/21 as a spiritual watershed event and are therefore reinventing expectations in a way that is unfalsifiable even in principle and therefore meaningless.  For example, they say that our era ushers in the dawn of a new global spiritual awakening, but leave the details vague enough to elude critical scrutiny. 

In one study, a large number of Presbyterian high school girls at a youth camp were subjected to a cruel experiment.  Psychologists told them that an ancient document authored by Jesus' disciples had been discovered in which the disciples admit that Jesus never rose from the dead and that, indeed, they made up these stories to perpetuate His teaching.  The Vatican already knew about this document and would soon express their response.  The girls were  then given a survey to determine how strongly they believed in Jesus and the resurrection.  The girls who accepted the discovery's legitimacy accepted Jesus' teaching and resurrection even more strongly than the girls who rightly dismissed the document as bogus!  The girls who believed what they were told  resolved the dissonance by trying to convince themselves that their religious convictions were stronger than ever.  That reaction is precisely what congitive dissonance theory predicts and that is the typical New Age reaction to the invitable discrediting of 12/21 as a  world-changing event.

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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2012 at 8:47pm
 
Greetings to all fellow seekers of truth and knowledge related to the end of 2012.

   I have been researching this topic for many years now. I don't consider it to be the end of the world as what was prophesied. Nor do the descendants of ancient writers that made predictions about December 21, 2012.

Check out this website that compares Mayan with Egyptian and Sumerian writings:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_whenry02.htm

   The most likely result after this date will mean the return of the ancient givers of wisdom, be they E.T. or whoever. I look forward to this coming revelation as we will need powerful outside influence to finally break the "powers that be" stranglehold on the world and release all of the free energy inventions that they have been hoarding for a long time now.

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Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 1:02am
 
Ralph Buskey wrote on Nov 7th, 2012 at 8:47pm:
Greetings to all fellow seekers of truth and knowledge related to the end of 2012.

   I have been researching this topic for many years now. I don't consider it to be the end of the world as what was prophesied. Nor do the descendants of ancient writers that made predictions about December 21, 2012.

Check out this website that compares Mayan with Egyptian and Sumerian writings:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_whenry02.htm

   The most likely result after this date will mean the return of the ancient givers of wisdom, be they E.T. or whoever. I look forward to this coming revelation as we will need powerful outside influence to finally break the "powers that be" stranglehold on the world and release all of the free energy inventions that they have been hoarding for a long time now.

Ralph


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Reply #5 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 6:42pm
 
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Hi Ralph. In your previous posts, you mention that you suffer from acute constipation. May I suggest you take the organic-vegetarian method rather than buy chemical pills offered by the major pharmacies. California pitted prunes or organic senna tablets are the best way to solve this problem of yours...As regard your reply to this thread, I'm sure my suggestion will solve this question of yours. Best Regards. Carl & Family.   


   
Hey carl,


   Are you trying to be some kind of comedian? I'm trying to supply helpful information and you are picking on me with made up attacks. I never said anything about being constipated, and your humor is not appreciated here. Go pick on people in some other conversation board who appreciate your sick form of humor.

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Reply #6 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:38am
 
Shit happens. Here a flush, there a flush, everywhere a flush.

We've come to the most agreeable of terms, shaken hands and exchanged mutual germs that confirms and reaffirms the notion that our ideas and beliefs fall pray to discerning worms. Is it a gesture worth nothing that assumptions float bloating? New age ordeals and christian ideals? We've all got a part in the flow chart for how personal truths are to be taken to heart. The suspense is there for those who need it, those who craves or skips a building permit. Master builder builds a road, hanging bridges and an ascending node. Knowledge serves the student well, propel our ways by doing, chewing and renewing any cold spell. Different people yield different prints in the winter snow, and love breathing life into the fabrics of their favourite reality-TV show. Will we know? Maybe so as the plough of want to know caress the yearning fields aglow.
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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:31pm
 
   I don't think anything particularly eventful will happen on 12/21/12.  And i definitely don't think the world will end anytime soon. 

  However, i do know that we are in a time of transition and great change on many levels.  For many, change is scary, but it doesn't have to be. There are some of us who are not scared whatsoever of these changes even though we know it may be difficult for awhile.

  The difficulties that we will face in the next few years, will lead to a much more unified and happy humanity (in a probable sense).  To me, that it is more than worth some temporary challenge and difficulty. 

   Humanity has gone through a number of these cycles--it's one of the reasons why our history only goes so far back despite the fact that modern humans with brains extremely similar to ours has been around many, many, many more thousands of years before our short recording begins.  Every few years or so new archaeological finds are pushing back the dates and periods of civilization presupposed.  Some years ago, an ancient and advanced civilization that is dated to at least 9,000 years old was found in the ocean off of India. 

  Rise and fall, rise and fall, it's happened to every civilization in our known and remembered short history, and to many more in these forgotten and ancient civilizations.  We are not exempt from this pattern, especially not considering how the huge majority of people on this Earth live--selfishly and unsustainably. 

  Not the end of the world, but a change in civilization and nothing new under the Sun, except that humanity has a real shot this time of pulling together and really opening up to PUL in a much more collective and pure sense this cycle.

  For me, that latter development is something i really look forward to.  This world has been so imbalanced and sick for so long, and so many suffer so much and continue to do so generation after generation.  These outside catalysts and pressures will force necessary waking up on many of our parts.
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:47pm
 
Will happen and will not.

Consider following.

Millions of people (even mainstream media) are talking about 2012 and 21 December as a time of shift, "big event" or something like that; in various (more or less serious) ways, but are stimulating each other for many months or years. It's different than ever before, because different reference cues are involved in that co-processing (even if they are quasi real - they make better impression than before; like astronomical things; or read the books various ends of the world - which ones are most creative?).

Now - what thappens when millions of people use/focus their intentnions and consciousnesses to focus on one single point of local time and space? Coherence and threshold. Creation happens. But a creation not from the point of view of what is talked about, but of what is in the hearts, on deeper levels. You know, intention needs deepening in order to become a physical fact.

But here is an interesting thing. When you place your intent to manifest something - you need then to let go for a while and wait - in order to allow things to happen.

So - people are focused on 2012 December 21. The day will come and nothing will change. So most people will let go and forget.

My guess is, that next few years will unfold the creativity of collective consciousness of human kind (-;
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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
Here is how I envision December 21, 2012. I go to work like every other ordinary working day. It's a good day, and a bit quiet. The people around me are in a pleasant mood, as it is a Friday, and the end of their working week.

The next day is the beginning of our winter vacation period, so double happiness for everyone I know. People will even hug each other goodbye that day, some of them, and wish each other well.

I will be anticipating a short holiday with my dog and some members of my family. I will be looking forward to a new year, and to discovering ways to make it one of the best of my life.

Every new day is an opportunity to be a better person, and to make a better plan. Each day we are given 24 hours to use our resources well. My intention is to be happy that day.

There are always circumstances that may appear as obstacles to our happiness, but a little bit of good health and good cheer is an opportunity to help make the world a better place, so why not?



pratekya wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:14pm:
  I haven't read all of the posts about 2012.  I am therefore not informed about all of the claims about the calendar 2012, and supposed changes to the earth consciousness or whatever.  I'm sorry if that sounds trite.  I write this introductory paragraph as a disclaimer but I don't think that discounts completely what I am going to say.  First, I have a related story.
  I remember a preacher I used to listen to on the radio who used to claim the world was going to end in 1993.  He had biblical interpretations of obscure Old Testament prophecies and such to back it up.  It freaked me out.  However the world did not end.  I quickly realized it is best to live life as if your life could end at any time, but also to live life fully; free of fear of the change, as change is inevitable, as the Buddhists would emphasize.  We will all die, and the world will end at some future date (the sun will go nova eventually, after all), but just because the Mayans created a calendar that didn't plan far enough in advance doesn't mean that everything will change towards the end of this year.  Life will almost certainly just go on.  I respectfully suggest we deal with that reality and move on.

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Reply #11 - Dec 7th, 2012 at 12:14am
 
I live in the mountains in northeast Washington state.  Bearing that in mind, my scenario for Friday, Dec. 21 unfolds something like this. I wake up to a crisp snowy day, dress, shower, and drive to the hippest fast food restaurant in town--Zips.  Unlike most Zips, this one has fabulous omelet breakfasts.  We once had the top-rated Arby's in Washington state, and half the town had breakfasts there, but it went belly-up when the owners foolishly changed their name to Martha's and added more entrees.  These changes made the place a garden variety restauraunt and most townees wanted to eat at the best, even if the best meant the best fast-food place in the state.  This Zips has brilliantly used the old Arby's formula for success and his now the happening place in town.

Anyway, I order the Pilot omelet named after the owner's 5-year-old son because Pilot acts hurt in church on Sunday if he finds out I ordered a different omelet.  I read in the morning paper that our two political parties won't compromise on the debt ceiling and that we are all destined to plunge over the fiscal cliff.  Then my gaze wanders to all the homes up on the nearby mountains and I panic at what I see.
As the earth suddenly turns sideways on its axis, the inevitable earthquakes cause those mountain homes to plunge over their cliffs as well.  I suddenly realize that the New Agers were right after all.  I wonder if our cold climate will soon become tropical as our region gradually becomes the new equator.  I also realize that all of us will soon be able to astral project at will as the boundaries between the spirit planes suddenly become much thinner.  I can't wait to get home from my church duties to google this site and learn about al lthe retrievals that have now become a piece of cake as phasing becomes a way of life for most people.  I anticipate the new books on newly discovered astral laws that become clear as the axis shift completes itself.  I envisage Mayan churches springing up all over the place, and hope one is started in our town soon  Sigh!  Oh, I just can't wait!

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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2012 at 4:31pm
 
The powers that glee keep the media busy with the Mayan calendar so that Operation Feathers & Doom is allowed to fly under the radar of most folks. The mentioned operation is set to hatch dec. 21. On that very day feathers of the wold will come to life and start beating people to death. Brace yourselves, it's gonna take a while... and you may be given a solid tickle as well.

Misconceptions about the Mayan calendar isn't the only one out there. Satan? Not really, you were warned about spray tan. Spray tan, work of the devil? Not really, but tan accelerators are the work of DeWolf.
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J.K.Chris wrote on Dec 3rd, 2012 at 1:47pm:
Will happen and will not.

Consider following.

Millions of people (even mainstream media) are talking about 2012 and 21 December as a time of shift, "big event" or something like that; in various (more or less serious) ways, but are stimulating each other for many months or years. It's different than ever before, because different reference cues are involved in that co-processing (even if they are quasi real - they make better impression than before; like astronomical things; or read the books various ends of the world - which ones are most creative?).

Now - what thappens when millions of people use/focus their intentnions and consciousnesses to focus on one single point of local time and space? Coherence and threshold. Creation happens. But a creation not from the point of view of what is talked about, but of what is in the hearts, on deeper levels. You know, intention needs deepening in order to become a physical fact.

But here is an interesting thing. When you place your intent to manifest something - you need then to let go for a while and wait - in order to allow things to happen.

So - people are focused on 2012 December 21. The day will come and nothing will change. So most people will let go and forget.

My guess is, that next few years will unfold the creativity of collective consciousness of human kind (-;


  Hi P.A., how are you?     The above is a probable factor of influence, but how much so is anyone's guess.  12/21/12 is a relatively recent focus--it started to get mainstream notice around 98' or so. 

However, some of the actual "Earth changes" have been brewing in a temporary sense since 1936 and in a long term sense for the last 12, 000 or so year since the last time such a change filled cycle happened. 

  It's rumored that there are both historical records and prophecies hidden in Giza, and that some of these prophecies are and will be accurate to the years, specific individuals, and even seasons.  Don't know if this is true or not, but i know the records were made shortly after the last major, very change filled Cycle came.  I vaguely remember/sense that much since i was there, and i don't mean in a Disk sense but more immediately literal. 
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Reply #14 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 4:28pm
 
Hi @channel, thanks, I'm fine, just "busy days" right now.

There is also said (according to Drunvalo Melchizedek?), that in 2008 or so - a new "networks" or "grids" around the Earth has been established/finished, to compensate the "old programs" from physical manifestation; and as far I can observe - indeed it seems to be so - a lot of crucial predictions seem to be around their topics, but not so vital or important as said. So the Earth changes we experience - may appear, but not in such drastic ways that was "proposed" in the past. More of that I guess - will be the collective emotional trafic, than physical manifestation.
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