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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #90 - Oct 1st, 2012 at 10:38am
 
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Lights & recoverer, is it possible that you are misinterpreting her experience using some or several misinterpreted experiences as your basis for further misinterpreting external events?

Time or no-time aside, being able to multi-task, carry out several actions simultaneously makes sense from a general physical and non-physical ponderment. Physical life would be very tedious if there were billboards saying 'don't think & drive' - with teasing nike billboards next to them.



Hi Bob,

I think you may be misinterpreting what Albert and I stated.  Multi-tasking is completely different than creating parallel selves that follow the paths of other choices in a sea of consciousness.  Consciousness is much more organized than that.  We are a single individualized consciousness, not a conglomerate of self created selves spawning out everywhere.

Multi-tasking on the other hand is quite natural for all of us and I've heard it described as parallel processing or being aware of many things simultaneously.

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #91 - Oct 1st, 2012 at 1:24pm
 
Kathy:

Thank you for the well said part. It could be true what you added about the paragraph from Natalie's book.

Perhaps the process of creating wise souls can be compared to a musician getting to the point where he or she can create beautiful music. He doesn't want to make a bunch of mistakes as he learns to play his instrument, but he doesn't have another choice.


Lights of Love wrote on Oct 1st, 2012 at 10:28am:
Well stated Albert and Mathew and I agree.  Though I just read Natalie's quote from Albert's post again and I'm not so sure she's stating the bombing was a specific agreement or preplanned.  Rather she may be trying to communicate that none of us is victims of circumstance, but that we, first of all agreed to come here and play this game knowing full well what goes on in the ELS, and that we create our circumstances by the choices we make.  For example, Natalie chose to go work in Iraq knowing the kind of environment she would be putting herself into.  People bomb people quite often.  Or in other words, she's saying we are responsible for the choices we make as individuals as well as a collective consciousness.  And from a higher perspective ELS is all about learning from our experiences and that there is something to gain from all of them regardless of how painful they may be.

I don't think from a bigger picture perspective that we make mistakes.  From the perspective of our soul or higher self, it is seen and understood more as learning opportunities.  We need the negative just as much as we need the positive.  The duality of this world provides the perfect environment for growth to take place.  We reap the consequences of that which we've sown and there's something to be learned from all of it.  From a physical perspective we may feel something is a mistake, and that prompts change or growth, yet from the perspective of our soul there are no mistakes or victims since the grand purpose of consciousness evolution is growth.

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Reply #92 - Oct 1st, 2012 at 2:15pm
 
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I think you may be misinterpreting what Albert and I stated.

Wink Hehe, good one. The point I was trying to make: it is her direct experiences, and however she interprets them, us, the reading bystanders are also not holders of Objective Certificates, as far as I know.

Managing one extension compared to many extensions gets into multi-tasking territory. If experience is the bottom line, my spawned subjective making sense of this says the extensions could very well be bases for further branching variations, to maximize potentials.

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Perhaps the process of creating wise souls can be compared to a musician getting to the point where he or she can create beautiful music. He doesn't want to make a bunch of mistakes as he learns to play his instrument, but he doesn't have another choice.

Note from the producer: not bad. Let's do one more take, with more emphasis on tone, harmony, melody, rhythm, composition, lyrics, musicianship, tempo and originality.

Performing perfection, and yet noticing that the sound is clinical and dull, and simultaneously (oh yes) remembering the golden tone of the classic records. Harmonics from valves, tubes and different tape formulas and speed. Ahh, perfection with a warm sound. Does a band have to have a lead singer? Four on the floor has lost it's mystery, how about 5/8? Use a recording of your friend playing the drums, chop it into smaller pieces and make a new groove. Add your own sounds into the groove. Ok, so before getting lost in the tango, where I'm going with this: there are possibilities and choices aplenty, even within the rules making up the framework for life as we know it.
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Reply #93 - Oct 1st, 2012 at 7:57pm
 
Recoverer, you know you can write a book about that if you work on it hard enough.
You know that, don't you?
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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #94 - Oct 2nd, 2012 at 1:39pm
 
Mogenblue:

That's a curious way for you to suggest that I can.

Since you brought it up  Smiley, here's a link to my site that includes information on my book "A Night in Heaven." There is a chapter that speaks about the parallel universe issue. There isn't a specific chapter that speaks about pre-arrangement. I do discuss it a little in more than one place. I don't know about writing an entire book about parallel universes and pre-arrangement.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/

Mogenblue wrote on Oct 1st, 2012 at 7:57pm:
Recoverer, you know you can write a book about that if you work on it hard enough.
You know that, don't you?

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #95 - Oct 3rd, 2012 at 2:10am
 
recoverer wrote on Sep 16th, 2012 at 5:45pm:
Harvey:

How did she get George W. Bush to pose with her if she has faked injuries?

http://rapidcityjournal.com/search/topic/?k=%22natalie%20sudman%22&d1=&d2=&s=sta...


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Berserk2 wrote on Sep 13th, 2012 at 12:41am:
I have not read Natalie's book bu I  just watched her two Yuutube interviews.  So far, she seems to echo Robert Monroe's OBE-based philosophy very clssely. Her experience of feeling on stage, while "downloading" to many "theatre guests" is also experienced by Monroe and others.  Likr Monroe, Natalie seems to construe these guests as aspects of her total self in a context of "no time as we know it."  Others who have this "theatre" experience have claimed no that they "downloaded," but that they were asked to explain the spiritual lessons they had learned during their earth life.  Like so many parallel experience structures, hers thus makes it difficult to unravel fact from interpretation.  In one sense, her experience seems rudimentary and preliminary--no Being of Light, tour of Paradise, encounter with deceased relatives.  Her past life review seems to lack the empathy with those she interacts with.  She does not seem to experience the feelings of others as they react to her words and deeds.  Also, PUL seems rather absent.  So I will not buy the book until some of you read it and report on its value. 

I was impressed by one observation.  Natalie claims she could experience anyting astral through all 5 senses operating as one.  This reminds me of Don Piper's NDE, when he is able to see and hear flowers, ponds, grass-- in short, harmonies ffom objects that on earth would make no music--in Paradise. 

Don


Don! For God sake man use spell check!...She lives in Benson, Arizona, just down the road south from Sedona. She gives psychic readings for US$100 an hour!..Check it out on her website. She also sells cremation urns, made by her, with cheap glazed clay for US$200+ dollars. Again, check it out on her website by clicking onto these urns. She sells her art also, not bad for a chick who had horrific injuries from that bomb attack! All I can see in a completely healed person?..She mentions personal horrific injuries in her spiel from that bomb. Look at her hands and her face/head in those youtube videos! I don't see any major damage, or that her brains were hanging out as a result of her bombing attack as was stated. She never shows any of her 'healed' injuries in any videos!? .... Her big toothy smile and pretentious laugh is her passport to cash!!!....Go Bitch!   



OK Bozo!...Clicking onto the links you presented! How does she suddenly become an engineer working with the 'Corps of Engineers' when her credentials presents her as an 'archaeologist' and having a degree in fine arts? She looks pretty well in that photo with G.W.Bush?
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Reply #96 - Oct 5th, 2012 at 5:51pm
 
  I wouldn't make her my "spiritual Teacher", but her somewhat materialistic lifestyle and approach doesn't necessarily automatically invalidate her near death experience.

  Seemingly miraculous healings can and do occur, but I do have to agree with Harvey some that she looks surprisingly good in her photo with G.W.B. for someone who got blown up enough to temporarily die. 

  However, that doesn't automatically mean she's making it all up.  Certainly is possible and i wouldn't rule that out either, but i'm also open minded to the other possibility as well--that some unusual healing was involved. 

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Reply #97 - Oct 6th, 2012 at 2:37am
 
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  I wouldn't make her my "spiritual Teacher", but her somewhat materialistic lifestyle and approach doesn't necessarily automatically invalidate her near death experience.

  Seemingly miraculous healings can and do occur, but I do have to agree with Harvey some that she looks surprisingly good in her photo with G.W.B. for someone who got blown up enough to temporarily die. 

  However, that doesn't automatically mean she's making it all up.  Certainly is possible and i wouldn't rule that out either, but i'm also open minded to the other possibility as well--that some unusual healing was involved. 

 



Thank you, Justin, for bringing me back to earth. Most people on this site don't know that Americans working for the USA in Afghanistan(civilians)earn from $1,000 to $3,000 a day tax free(from both governments), depending on what they do there. Security personnel earns the most, others less. She, unfortunately, got caught up in a IED attack, roadside explosive to be exact. With former Pres.G.W.Bush having visited her in hospital, and having her pic taken with him, she now, after all that time ago, decides to cash in on her windfall! As 'Recoverer' implied, "She must be genuine if Bush talked to her in hospital"...Therefore, everybody Bush visited and talked too in military hospitals must be genuine, even if they decided to bullshit about their injuries, according to Recoverer's logic! All I ask is to look at her current website where she peddles her clay stuff and paintings, and her 'charges' for her readings like she is some exalted enlightened being!..She set you all up by that statement when she said the she stood on a podium in a stadium like atmosphere, and there were thousands of white robed people all seated around, hearing about her injured physical body stuff, in her NDE, like she was some higher being! This is just the typical resume and spiel of New Age Shysters! Don't believe me? Ask her for a prediction of what the next natural disaster is going to happen in our material world! I can tell you her answer will be Zero, as she does not know, or will ever know. Her intentions is money, yours, nothing else. Don't be fooled by her wide goofy grin-smile. Take Care Justin. Harvey.
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Reply #98 - Oct 6th, 2012 at 4:00am
 
Hi Harvey,

I recently watched both her youtube videos, and i have to be honest, something about her seemed really familiar, but i couldn't at first place my finger on it. Then i realized that her and her "vibe" reminded me a lot of an ex girlfriend.  It was kind of one of those intuitive-feeling a ha moments.

  Not too flattering in some ways, since i eventually found out that my ex was quite literally a pathological liar.  Very charming and quite likeable at times, yes, quite good and coherent at weaving tall tales, even more so. (even very similar, wide grinned very charming smile).   

  In some ways, she (the ex) has a good heart.  But, in some ways her woundedness and endless chasm of need for attention could make her do some pretty cruel things at times. 

  A quick example, when my Mom had cancer and was quite sick (when i was 18 or 19), my ex when we were still together let me know in a very dramatic way that she too had cancer and had to break up with me because she didn't want me to see her go through that and have me feel the need to be there for her (all was a big lie or rather story, though one she may have temporarily believed it herself). 

  Some mutual (and mostly female) friends who had known her longer than i had, eventually clued me into some of her attention games and woundedness after we broke up. 

  So, since this intuitive feeling and comparison did come up spontaneously, i am leaning to what you have said in a rather blunt and direct way, she may be more out for the attention and money than anything.  She also may be like my ex in that she is so habituated to lying, manipulating, and looking for attention that she doesn't herself half the time know the truth from fiction anymore, which oddly enough can lend an air of sincerity to people that far gone down the rabbit hole (such people in my experience are relatively rare, and my ex was the only person that i really liked, was attracted to and felt "close to" that was so far gone).

  Strange world we live in, and even the more intuitive and/or discriminating of us can get fooled temporarily.  You live, you learn.  The really high prices of some of her rather mundane work, her comments about desires for Porsche's or the distorted beliefs of religion re: wealth, etc. seem to speak for itself.  I will say that i still don't have any 100 percent firm conclusions about her. 
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Reply #99 - Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32am
 
Monroe Institute Journal winter/spring 2011
contains article by Natalie Sudman

http://assets.monroeinstitute.org/journal_archives/journal2011winterspring.pdf
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Reply #100 - Oct 13th, 2012 at 3:18pm
 
Lucy wrote on Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:32am:
Monroe Institute Journal winter/spring 2011
contains article by Natalie Sudman

http://assets.monroeinstitute.org/journal_archives/journal2011winterspring.pdf


  From said article (the notes section):

"... as well as revealing some information about what many refer to as the “2012 Shift.”
They explained that The Shift is not a 2012 event; it has been underway for some time now and continues as a gradual creation. It doesn’t belong to earth physicality; it’s a dimensional shift that could be said to originate anywhere and everywhere at once since all is one."

  Since all is One, what happens within Consciousness, collective consciousness, will affect other levels aka the physical. 

  Many of Bob Monroe's explorers saw certain physical Earth changes occurring, and before them Edgar Cayce's guidance outlined some gradual trends and patterns related to global warming due to an internal shift in the Earth, etc.  Some of Bob's explorers were off on the timing and severity of it, but nonetheless the basic point is still true, if you change the inner noticeably, often the outer changes noticeably as well. 

   She is right that this shift is, or rather has been gradual and is not about just one specific 2012 date. 

   The Earth, on all levels is very much caught up in this "shift", for she is both an entity unto herself, yet also part of a Whole.   She is going through her own growing pangs and we are going through growing pangs, and both will intensify despite what so many "believe what you want to believe" new age type sources say because it's what they and we want to hear. 

   It feels like there is a possibility that things will be less severe than previously forecasted and was probable, but it still will be materially, emotionally, and spiritually challenging for many.  Many will still transition.  Electricity will still be shut off, mass starvation, etc.  It is right now, very probable that Israel and/or the U.S. will attack Iran in 2013.  If that happens, then will the Sun become extremely intense and will flare strong enough to knock out electrical grid systems around the world.  If you see red skies no matter where you live, you will know that this has started. 

  That Natalie has taken the usual New age approach to the changes (some pleasant, only dimensional shift wherein magical positive changes take place without material challenge and collective work/striving/growing on our parts), makes me more skeptical of her and her info. 

   We live in a world wherein it's mostly the false, full of half truths, and/or limiting sources that are most listened to by the majority.  We live in a world full of deception, greed, and believe what you want to believe is the rule.  Why, because Like attracts, begets, resonates with and likes Like.  The majority immature put the immature on pedestals.  Our political system and leaders are such a great reflection of that law and process in action.

  That world or more accurately-- society pattern-- is coming to an end, and for the new to make way, the old has to be torn down completely. 
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Reply #101 - Oct 13th, 2012 at 5:56pm
 
I think it is irresponsible for someone to make grandiose statements about what the future will hold for millions of other people, especially statements with specific negative implications.

It is kind of like a very religious person threatening another person with hell if that person does something considered "sinful".

I consider it a kind of fearmongering, and no different from what we are often offered by commercial sources of information which are lining their pockets with their sensationalism and innuendo.

Perhaps some people have come back from NDEs and given some correct information about the future at times.

But how that information is often used is suspect to me.

It is like someone waving a picture of a rotten lung to a smoker and demanding that they stop what was for eons a socially accepted and encouraged practice. How likely is it that the smoker will immediately drop the cigarette and declare that clean living is the answer to all of their problems?

Not likely. More likely is that the person has a completely individual road ahead of them (That person may live to be 95 and die of unrelated causes. That person may find other pastimes which are just as pleasurable. That person may find themselves in an environment where smoking is not allowed and so quit. That person may be treated for chemical dependency and become equally hooked on another substance. That person may wake up one day and say, eh, I just don't want to do this anymore.).

So, to use predictions such as "a solar flare is going to wipe you out" or "terrible earth upheavals are imminent" etc. etc. etc. -- go get stocked up on food and ammunition is what a lot of people hear when they listen to such statements. And a lot of people just stop caring at all -- it seems useless to them to care, better to laugh it all off -- or they get depressed instead.

Better to focus on this day, what we can do on this day, and very little else.

Better to tend to the sick, feed the hungry, comfort the sorrowful, attend to the needs of those nearby. If we all did this without threatening others with some kind of misery it would indeed be a kinder world.

I don't know what the purpose of this plane is, or what the "future" is for each individual. It is apparent to me that we each have our own particular destiny which ultimately leads to love, no matter what happens along the way. Of course, that is only my opinion.

In a chaotic world, our small actions and thoughts can make a difference, but there are many variables, and we simply don't know everything, not about today, not about tomorrow, not yet.



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Reply #102 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 8:20am
 
Yes, I can see that you can see, isee, and though we see differently, maybe even agree to disagree, at the end of the day, it's good to see your thoughts.

The rotten lung example works the other way around too with people acting as you see as irresponsible, making grandiose statements about the future, threatening and fearmongering - waving 'this is better' in front of them.

'People hear: go stock up on food and ammunition' or 'get depressed' isee as guiltmongering, though it could be true too. It's soft but means to get people back on the subjective straight and narrow. Hearty control. Used to work on me, but now isee, which for the soul is some kinda green tea from the knowledge tree.

If everything ultimately leads to love, what's the problem? They're on individual paths too?
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Reply #103 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 10:21am
 
If I wave "this is better" it's better for me, seemingly, as a projection of my own emotions.

I'm not saying that if someone else doesn't do so they will suffer earthquakes and famine and tree roots waving in their faces as the world shakes and falls apart around them.

But, I'm glad you like to hear my thoughts, and that disagreement can be pleasant, and that my thoughts can be a sounding board for your thoughts.

Otherwise, this would be a very lonely world. And I have to admit, I kinda like "loneliness" -- but not all the time.

Contradictions seem to be what you enjoy pointing out to others. Each to his own.

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Reply #104 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 12:30pm
 
Lights of Love wrote on Sep 30th, 2012 at 11:56am:
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...all possible lives occur simultaneously, based on every choice we make. Every choice results in versions of the self, each of which lives the path of one of the choices that could have been made. We are conscious of only one path (most of us!) but all paths are taking place, and the life when complete consists of all those paths (they use the example of a crystal, consisting of all the paths taken,) hence the multitude of selves that results. The "stadium" is representative of all the paths that were taken as choices were made during the individual life. Some people are theoretically able to jump paths when they end up in a situation where they are uncomfortable with the route being taken and want to jump to a more comfortable one.


Hi MA,

I think this is a misinterpretation of experience.  We do have the ability to use our intent to explore possible alternative choices from our physical perspective and once we transition to the non-physical this is likely something one may do in a life review.  The purpose is for our own understanding that would lead to beneficial growth of our inner being.  No other "self or selves" are created as in parallel lives that are lived distinct from each other.  From a physical perspective we are limited to what we know when attempting to explore all the probabilities that existed, whereas from a non-physical perspective we are free from many of these limitations and can view all scenarios seemingly simultaneously.

Another way to describe this is to say that we able to access stored memory as well as the probabilities that were available to us at the time we make a choice and an event is actualized.  If we choose we can within our own consciousness follow the path of an alternate choice to see where it could have led us and how it would have affected others as well as our self.  We cannot change the past.  Once we've made a choice, that choice is actualized and recorded in memory as such.  No aspect of our individualized consciousness or self splits off to create other selves that go on to live an alternate parallel life. 

Kathy


I will point out that what you have written is your belief system....what I wrote was my interpretation of information supplied by Frank DeMarco, as delivered by his Guys Upstairs. I find the concept interesting, as I do most concepts. Have you read any of Frank DeMarco's recent books?

MA
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