End of summer 2012 and the "in" book for chicks, ladies, gals and such is some boring sad thing about 50 shades of going grey in Seattle. Yuck. ladies, please get a life! What to read?

Along comes my idea of a highly exciting book (yes there are things more exciting that sex or sheets with high thread counts or whatever attracts people to that book). Finally!

So how can I get so excited about a book in which a woman gets blown up in Iraq and lives to tell the story? Because she tells what happened in what she calls the blink between the explosion and her going forward in physical life. What a story!

It is like she is in the movie "The Matrix" and she gets behind the scenes to where things in physical reality are being created. Her NDE is unique, unlike any other I have read so far. A roadside bomb explodes, hitting the vehicle in which she is traveling, and in the blink of an eye she is ...elsewhere.

I will have to read and re-read, there is so much to think about here. But I am currently enjoying (?) and thinking about her description of deciding to come back to her body and deciding how damaged it will be when she comes back. A being or beings are helping her with this in what she calls the Healing Dimension. In Chapter &, "Healing and Assistance," she writes (page 76):

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Then she discusses why she can laugh from the perspective she has at that moment and how she takes responsibility for chosing the injuries that will best equip her to meet her next challenges. That can only be answered and understood from the perspective of what she calls the Whole Self and how difficult it can be , even when she recalls this, to fully accept all the injuries when she is back in the physical.

Maybe that is why she calls the book Application of Impossible Things.

I recently heard an old radio interview with William Buhlman, in which Bulhman clearly expresses the idea that true reality lies in moving inward. WHen I was a kid I thought getting to Heaven was like going to the moon in a rocket. Much of that kind of thinking underlies most of our thinking, in this culture anyway. Humanity has been duped into thinking the answers are on the outside. But true reality lies inward. The physical world is a temprary construct. You have to shift your awareness to the inner energy bodies and tune into other realities. Maybe this is why healing (among other things) is so difficult. We don't have a roadmap to that Healing Dimension. But it would be nice to go there without being blown up! But at least Sudman discusses her adventure, puts it out there to share with us all.

Has anyone else read this?

Sudman,Natalie (2012) Application of Impossible Things : My Near Death Experience in Iraq    Huntsville, AR: Ozark Mountain Publishing

Thanks Lucy. It does seem like a different and interesting story. Here's a link to the ebook/kindle version:

http://www.amazon.com/Application-Impossible-Things-Experience-ebook/dp/B007V4R6...

I picked up another book while at it, Caesar's Messiah:

http://www.amazon.com/Caesars-Messiah-Conspiracy-Signature-ebook/dp/B0059912OA/

"The Roman Emperor had many titles - one of them was Jesus Christ." - Joseph Atwill

Lucy/Kathy-

Thanks for heads-up.  Just ordered her book.

(Lucy- my wife just received her 50 Shades book yesterday.....interesting combination of reading material huh).

R

Berserk2 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2012 at 12:41am:


Don! For God sake man use spell check!...She lives in Benson, Arizona, just down the road south from Sedona. She gives psychic readings for US$100 an hour!..Check it out on her website. She also sells cremation urns, made by her, with cheap glazed clay for US$200+ dollars. Again, check it out on her website by clicking onto these urns. She sells her art also, not bad for a chick who had horrific injuries from that bomb attack! All I can see in a completely healed person?..She mentions personal horrific injuries in her spiel from that bomb. Look at her hands and her face/head in those youtube videos! I don't see any major damage, or that her brains were hanging out as a result of her bombing attack as was stated. She never shows any of her 'healed' injuries in any videos!? .... Her big toothy smile and pretentious laugh is her passport to cash!!!....Go Bitch!   

Hi Don,

Since Natalie's been involved with TMI recently, it's not surprising to me that she's adopted some of the same metaphors as others also involved with TMI.  It's been at least 30 years since I've read one of Bob Monroe's books and I no longer remember much of his descriptions to say whether or not her philosophy indicates a resemblance or not, but it was not my impression that she is trying to convey any philosophy, rather that she is attempting to describe her out of body experiences.  Since I base the validity of other's descriptions of their experience on my own experiences, I therefore don't usually get hung up on metaphors.  Instead I look for relative factors based on personal experience.

In the book Natalie calls her experience an OBE and I suspect she adopted "NDE" from others since there's no way to know if she was actually "physically/clinically dead" for any length of time.  She describes an "instantaneous movement blinking from one place to another."  And in the "blink environment" as she calls it, she finds herself standing in the mist of what she calls "personalities" in "a human form, wearing glowing white robes."  These beings she describes as not aspects of herself, but aspects of the ONE consciousness or what can be likened to individualized consciousnesses/beings/spirits/angels/personalities, etc., and indicates they are "equals" in that there is no hierarchy between herself and what she refers to as "the Gathering" or "personalities" meaning these other beings.  I know Bob referred to "The Gathering" but I'm not so sure what Natalie calls these beings are the same as Bob's as I vaguely recall Bob's experience was with extra-terrestrial beings interested in earth or something like that.  As I mentioned, I no longer remember details he described.

Anyway, this "gathering" of personalities resembles several of my own experiences of spiritual beings watching over me/us and having an interest in and may even intervene within activities on the earth plane.  I've spoken of my experience with these beings previously on this board so I won't relay them again here.  I'm also on daily basis aware of feedback between "others" and myself as constant and ongoing.  I liken this to Natalie's description of "downloading" information with these "personalities" she speaks about.  I see it as an exchange of consciousness between me and those I'm interacting with on a spiritual level, including what could be called a stream of consciousness between myself and my whole/total self/soul, whatever label you choose.

She does express time as being simultaneous as many others do, but I think of that as a misnomer because time does exist on other planes of consciousness.  It is simply difficult to see and understand time in the same way as we understand it from a physical perspective.  It only appears to be simultaneous to us because of the unconscious/subconscious assumptions we have.  The forward movement of time is all we know.  She attempts to describe what seems like time and space in the "Blink Environment" in that it "can be perceived in many ways, existing in what would appear to the physical mind as a dizzying complexity of length and depth, as well as width, and beyond three dimensions."  And, "within Time/Space [from the Blink Environment] resides the choice of limiting focus to our particular and familiar perception of time and space.  Our understanding and experience of time and space might be understood as one strand, a subset, of whole Time and Space."  She uses caps to indicate Time and Space from what she's describing as the "Blink Environment" in her book.

As Lucy mentions, this book is not really a classic NDE, but I have found Natalie's OBE descriptions of what we might call other planes of reality useful not only as verification of my own experience, but also in greater understanding.  If you're looking for classic NDE verifications you probably won't find them here.  But if you're looking for information in regards to what other realities are like as well as glimpses at the workings of consciousness, there may be something for you here.  I don't know you well enough to say if you'd find the book interesting or not.  As I mentioned, Natalie herself describes her experiences as OBE, rather than NDE.

She also doesn't discuss PUL in the same way other NDE'rs do.  However, toward the end of her book she states: "Love and joy: those words really are completely inadequate to the experience.  In order to be accurate, the words must be understood to be bottomlessly deep and thrillingly effortless, both heavy and feather-light, infinitely complex and stunningly simple.  They must be understood to be all-inclusive, not defined within belief systems..." of good and evil, etc.

Kathy

Kathy,

I have not yet checked out Natalie's website.  But as I heard her speak on the 2 Youtube interviews, the thought popped into my head. "This gal is not independently verifying TMI doctrine and jargon; rather, she is interpreting her NDE through a Robert Monroe lens.  Then you confirm her TMI connection.  Presumably she had read some of Robert Monroe.  I mention this because of the contradictory interpretations of the "theatre speech" motif in other NDEs.  Even Swedenborg interprets a similar experience in an anti-reincarnation way. 

But as I mentioned, I have not yet read her book or visited her website.  So please don't take my comments as well considered criticism.  Rather, I'm simply trying to elicit clarifications from those who have read her book to assist me in determining whether I will also buy it.  Until then, I'm very interested in hearing about unique insights from her NDE. 

By the way, I am still unclear of what can be learned about the afterlife from Robert Monroe.  But I do believe he has much to teach.

And Harvey, I am grateful for the spellcheck reference.  I have been distracted by others many times during these recent  posts, and neglected to proofread my post.  Bad mistake! But the mistakes have been corrected.

Don

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Don, could you tell me more about this?  I don't recall either the Monroe or Swedenborg discussions of this. 

Thanks!
Kathy

Kathy, lots of funerals to perform these days! I will try to track down exact references when I have time.  I'm trusting my memory here.  But I want to share a thought that flitted through my mind as I head Natalie talk about the "theater speech."  If this experience happened in a timeless dimension, as she suggests, and if the hundreds of thousands of onlookers are aspects of one's total self, then why not consider the possibility that this mulititude is a visual representation of our self at different stages of our current earth life and at different stages of our postmortem life?   After all, the notion of a visual of my astral body persisting over time would itself contradict the claim of being present in a timeless realm.  So if I see countless aspects of self existing simultaneously in a timeless realm, then my earth experience of sequential development of my selfhood might visually translate into countless simultaneous pictures of myself.  In that case, it would be unnecessary to postulate the notion of rencarnating selves or parallel incarnating selves.  It might also clarify Natalie's claims (1) that I can simultaneously have an earthly focus of consciousness, and yet, perceive countless aspects of self in a "Gathering" like she witneeses and (2) that I am "downloading" information about reality to a countless host and become aware of it only in this "theatre experience."  In other words, the "downloading" sensation would be my description outside time of the continuous information experiences that provide continuity of my identity conceived as countless simultaneous selves.  Sigh!  I hope that makes some sense.

Don