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Reply #30 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 1:28pm
 
I agree, if someone calls themselves a medium that can bring messages from the dead they deserve to receive money for that service. I also have paid over 300.00 for such a service and some mediums literally cost a thousand or more for a session.

(Silvia Browne charges into the thousands for instance, but, if you do a Google search for her name and the words "fraud" or "Bad medium reading" you will find a plethora of people talking about how terrible she is, and, based upon what I have read I would have to agree.)

I do have an issue with mediums that don't produce any factual data during a reading and flutter around with complete misses and zero hits for a paid session. I have personally been to medium readings that were exactly that, complete failures. I don't think this means the medium is a fraud just because they failed to receive anything for a particular reading, but it definitely is not a good sign.

Personally, $100.00 sounds very reasonable for a medium IMO, based on what I have seen out there.

I have had more failed medium readings than positive hit readings. 2 out of 3 mediums seem to just flounder around giving information that appears to be pure guesses during a closed mouth sitter reading, where the sitter, me, only is permitted to give yes or no answers.
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Reply #31 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:02pm
 
But what is the point of going to a medium to get in contact with dead relatives?
I find it such a short range enquiry about the afterlife.
I wanted to know about the afterlife itself. And as much as possible. A service from a medium will never give you that.

I don't care so much how my grandad or great grandad is doing overthere. Not because I don't care about them but because I want to know how life is overthere in general and what more there is to know about that.

Finally did I find the books that told me what I wanted to know.
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Reply #32 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:25pm
 
Because the existence of the afterlife can be scientifically tested through putting mediums to the test using verifiable data obtained through them from spirit.

If you can show me a better way I can achieve scientifically verifiable data regarding the afterlife without using a medium I am all ears. =)

I have tried the TMI binaural beats and meditation and achieved no scientifically verifiable data.

Testing mediums seems to be the easiest way for the typical Joe Schmoe to test the existence of the afterlife.
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Reply #33 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:32pm
 
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But what is the point of going to a medium to get in contact with dead relatives? I find it such a short range enquiry about the afterlife.

Some not knowing how to communicate with passed friends, family, pets, loved ones, go to mediums with this intention to deal with loss. Such an event could also be a spark that ignites curiosity about a bigger picture.

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Finally did I find the books that told me what I wanted to know.

Good for you, and seems like many have found their particular ways. I guess we've all found the right way to rome. Grin
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Reply #34 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:36pm
 
As a skeptic, I would need to recieve verifiable data from the afterlife in order to accept anything as evidence. For example, I close my eyes and contact my dead friend, and they tell me information I do not know but can later verify. Like a secret buried under a tree somewhere and when you get there it's a picture of them or something.

That is acceptable afterlife evidence, yes sir, nothing less will suffice for a true skeptic, heck, mediums claim to be able to provide facts and data this convincing so hey, is it too much to ask to show me the money? LOL!
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Reply #35 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:37pm
 
Focus27 wrote on Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:25pm:
If you can show me a better way I can achieve scientifically verifiable data regarding the afterlife without using a medium I am all ears. =)


No, I can't. I got my personal evidence by my spiritual guides.
I assume you don't have contact with any of those yourself. Anyway, if you did it would not be scientific evidence anyway.

My evidence is that they told me about things to happen in the near future in my own life and that did happen.
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Reply #36 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:38pm
 
Spirit guides are fine, all they need to do is provide verifiable data. I am all for spirit guides. Like I said, verifiable data is not that complicated and really should not be considered too much to ask modern, intelligent, mankind to require.
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Reply #37 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 3:39pm
 
But do they talk to you, or are you "deaf"?
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Reply #38 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 4:27pm
 
I tried but all I get is something about Mr green or green man. I don't understand it at all.
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Reply #39 - Sep 17th, 2012 at 7:34pm
 
You are not going to hear until you stop arguing and  listen.
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Reply #40 - Sep 18th, 2012 at 5:04am
 
This is getting pretty off topic. Lucy and the others, I'm sorry for that, I hope you understand.

I just want to clarify a little more on how to communicate with spiritual guides. Perhaps it's better to start a new topic if you want to talk about it further.

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Don't think guides are nuts or androids.
They are human beings just like you and me who have lived on Earth too but live only in the spiritual worlds at present.
They see things in a different perspective then you. As you have read earlier in this thread they have access to much more information in a much richer means then we here on Earth. They are just as intelligent as you and probably more evolved then you.

So don't put a pack of cookies on the table and wait for a demon to take possession of you to eat the cookies.

You don't have to be obedient to them. You can talk to them just as you do to me. The more relaxed you are the better the communication goes.
They don't always talk to you straight forward. It might well be that you are driving in your car, or riding on a bike, thinking about something and that the thoughts tumble over each other. Each demanding more attention then the other. I consider that as a sign that spirits are sharing their thoughts with you.
I have often had such experiences riding on my bike and it still happens to me. Being outside refreshes your mind, makes you think better. So that is a good opportunity for spirits to contact you.

It's ok to be reluctant about what they say or share, but don't get disrespectful. They have their dignity and they don't owe you anything. They are sharing their thougths with you to help you. So the least you can do is be respectful or behave as a normal being.

That should help you on the way.
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Reply #41 - Sep 18th, 2012 at 7:25am
 
Guidance and intuition may seem similar, but in certain ways they are different.  Guidance for me occurs when I hear or feel instructed to do something, but don't "know" why or the outcome.

Intuition for me is the uncanny synchronicity of "knowing" that if I take a certain path x, then an outcome y will occur.  There is a very different feel to intuition, in that you feel directly plugged into Source, almost like you read the script of your life and know which way things are going (in a small way). 

Guidance for me is a more rare occurrence, and seems to come from without, not within.

I should say, in my own case that I don't seek guidance from an outside source who "knows," as much as I seek the intuitive feeling of being "plugged in" to Source and making the decisions on my own.  That is my way - perhaps there is some pride at work - but it seems somehow to suit me.  To each his/her own.

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Reply #42 - Sep 18th, 2012 at 9:50am
 
I agree, Doc. That's what I experience. Guidance feels more outer directed, whereas intuition is a knowing. Knowing is a very centered feeling, and can verge on a deja vu kind of feeling, and is comforting. Guidance, to me, seems more "doing" oriented, while intuition is more "being" oriented, if that makes any sense whatsoever.
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Reply #43 - Sep 18th, 2012 at 11:51am
 
First reactions after reading her "book" are these:

Structural- Definitely needed better editing.  Highly repetitive and some paragraphs are so convoluted I had to re-read them several times.  And then not even sure I understood.

Ever have a phone conversation with someone who never stops talking except to take a breath, and then if you put the phone down for a minute or so, you can pick it up and you haven't missed a beat?

Same thing with this book, it's so repetitive that you can skip several pages and pick up where you left off with no loss of continuity.

But then if it were properly edited, it would not have enough pages to justify calling it a book.

Content- The book should have had a Subtitle called "Seth Speaks- A Sequel."

I am reasonably certain the author did a lot of reading in both ACIM and especially Seth before writing the book.  Many of her insights and concepts are directly lifted from the Seth material.  Even how she describes the concepts, she uses the same examples used by Seth.

One exception is how she describes the life review.  Per Seth its purpose is to show us how our actions and our words affected others so that we may learn that our behavior has consequences.  In other words, earth is a school.

But for Sudman, the life review is when we and others with whom we associated get together and, always with great entertainment and fun, we see how well our pre-birth plans were coordinated and turned out exactly as intended.

In other words, the fact that she was blown up in Iraq was all agreed to in advance with the person(s) who planted the IED. 

No one is ever at fault for anything they may do.  Yes, a serial killer or rapist or child molester did bad things, but when seen from a broader perspective after death, all parties to the killings/rapes etc sort of congratulate themselves for the lessons learned and obtain (I'm not kidding here) great amusement and fun from what they thought, while on earth, to be horrible and awful.

So I couldn't help but think of the holocaust, and how Hitler and all the incinerated Jews had such a fabulous time afterwards.  They probably laughed themselves silly from such amusing scenes as the gas chamber and children being torn from the arms of weeping mothers.

Yes, there IS pain and suffering here on earth and no, she's not discounting that fact, but we need to realize that it's not as horrific as we might think. 

Actually, we need to realize that "enjoyment of an experience is a central criterion for the value of a life."
We are "fundamentally good, holy, cooperative, creative and amazingly cool."

And here all along I thought, per Swedenborg, that our actions have consequences and we really are accountable for the bad things we do and that evil exists and evil people serve time in Hell.  Little did I know that Hitler and Mother Teresa are equally holy.  Silly me I guess.

She admits that she is craving for a white Porsche 911, and a dream house.  But not because they are ends in themselves, no no no.  Because they are tools to allow her to enjoy her exploration of the "creativity of experience played out on the physical stage."

You see, people who think that goals such as accumulating wealth and material goods does not represent the way we should live are really just stuck with old fashioned remnants of what their religion taught about pursing wealth and other cultural limitations.  Once those notions are eroded, then we can get more things for ourselves with no guilt attached. 

Conclusion- I have no doubt that this is a strong, courageous woman who suffered greatly from her injuries.  And she probably did have some sort of paranormal experience after being blown up.

But for me, she veered way off the road somewhere along the way and is appropriating things she read in other books as if they were her own concepts or at least validated by her experiences.

Now we know why she's charging so much for her urns and other things.  Porsche's are not cheap nor are dream homes.  But for her, they are essential for her own amusement as she lives out the rest of her life.

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ps- Don, if you want I'll send you my copy.  There is much more that she said that you in particular would raise an eyebrow or two, such as "religion tells us that good things happen to good people."
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Reply #44 - Sep 18th, 2012 at 1:02pm
 
Wow, glowing review Rondele. Can't wait to continue with the book. Grin
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