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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #120 - Oct 16^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

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Thank you for your kind reply, channel of your own spirit and your own beliefs... : )

No, I don't label Mr. Moen a fearmongerer. He has written his books and he goes about his business of helping others contact the world of the spirit. He graciously allows all of us to discuss and argue our way through years of speculation on the nature of beliefs/truth/reality/and whathaveyou. And he doesn't impose his own experiences or beliefs on us by repeating what we can easily find in his books and discuss among ourselves.

But, yes, I have little patience for the "doom and gloom" crowd at this junction. Must be said. Over and out.

What you call "doom and gloom", i call the understanding that it's challenge which is what most facilitates Consciousness growth (one of the reasons why we choose to experience Earth in general). Also, right now, it's less about the average person and their choices, and more about the people and groups who have through technology, great material wealth and influence have tied an ever closing noose around the masses and the very overall system, which is why these changes have to and will take place.

These above individuals and groups are trying to move us into a very, very, very dark and controlled reality and for the first time in a very long time since Atlantis, they have the sufficient kind of advanced technology and resources to really achieve this. This is why electricity, the monetary systems, and the like must be taken out. It's the only thing which will stop them and their plans--this is direct intervention of the Creative Forces on our behalf. Besides this, there is the added benefit that many people that stay will grow a lot spiritually from helping each other out during these collectively difficult times.

More personally, i have brought this subject more numerously lately, because my wife and i have been getting told more often lately that some of these changes are fast approaching (no, NOT 12/21/12). While it's primarily the "regulars" who post here, i also know that many new people are weekly visiting this site and reading in the background. I bring it up more for them.

I'm sorry that this kind of information is personally bothering to you, but when i post this kind of stuff, it's not about you at all.

What is actually far more doom and gloom is the way things are now and the way they are headed WITHOUT this strong intervention. The probabilities of the future even just 25 years after the Solar Storms knock out electricity, etc is so, so, so more positive and joy filled for humanity in general than the way things are now and especially compared to how things would be if these individuals and groups plans are not interfered with by strong, outside forces.

I don't care about Porsche's, making money, being popular or well liked, and the like, i care about people and their spiritual growth and if i reach just one person and facilitate their seeking within about this issue, then i have not typed in vain. Roll Eyes

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #121 - Oct 16^th, 2012 at 5:34pm

Edgar Cayce's mystic visions of a catastrophic future strike me as ludicrous--just another of his many mystical errors iin his later years. NDE apocalyptic imagery and snenarios are troubling for me because their truth value strikes me as dubious. For me, atheist Howard Storm's NDE book, "My Descent into Daath" is the most compelling NDE book ever; yet it too is troubling in this respect: Howard told me that he omitted apocalyptic prophecies during his NDE because they would detract from his book's credibility.

The paranormal aspects of Marian visions such as those at Fatima and Medjugorje are more impressive than those associated with any New Age manifestions. Yet even the Medjugorje apparitions trouble me in one respect: Maria and some of the other children allegedly received 10 secrets of devastating consequence for the Earth's future, secrets for which they know the dates and will supposedly reveal the dates through a designated priest 3 days in advance of fulfilment. 3 of thsse secrets have supposedly been suspended through the power of group prayer. But what about the other 7? Well, these secrets were revealed in the 1980s, and so far, no dates have been revealed. I'm skeptical that any dates will ever be revealed or that, if revealed the prophecies will come true. So am I saying the "chjild mystics" were lying? No, but I'm puzzled and am only being honest about my intuition.

Dec. 21, 2012 will come and go with nothing special to report and the whole Mayan calender debacle will be widely discredited. Still worse are efforts to defuse the impending disillusionment by speaking instead of subtle changes in cosmic consciousness that are undetectable and unfalsifiaible even in principle.

In his book, "The Way of a Shaman," anthropologist, Michael Harner have apocalyptic visions after taking a hallucinogen from an Amazonian shaman. The imagery he saw strikingly paralleled the Book of Revelation, which he had never read, but was later entrhalled by it parallisms. I spspect that there are archetypal dimensions of the etheric realm that promote imagery that is higlh symbolic, but is misinterpreted as apocalyptic. We simply need to learn more about all the ways in which astral research can be misinterpreted to make real progress in our knowledge.

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #122 - Oct 16^th, 2012 at 6:04pm

I just ignore all doom scenarios. Those are made by Earth people who were not able to let go of their earthbound ego and had some kind of projection of their own limitations. That's my interpretation.

From the knowledge that I have, from my "Belief System", the Earth will continue to shelter and feed us, etcetera, etcetera, for many millions of years to come.
I find the predictions of "my" Masters of Light much more reliable because they are detached of the Earthbound thinking and feeling.
They discussed this kind of nonsense briefly here and there.

Read The Origin of the Universe and lighten up your mind.

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Reply #123 - Oct 17^th, 2012 at 9:54am

Mogen, earthbound ego and projection of limitation sure is up for interpretation, and in that context I'll say that fear of death is a force to be reckoned with. Being very down to earth about "doom and gloom" scenarios, and compressed into few words - the current status of the world, not my definition of sustainable. And then there probably are as many solutions on how to move forward as there are thoughts.

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #124 - Oct 18^th, 2012 at 12:26am

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I spspect that there are archetypal dimensions of the etheric realm that promote imagery that is higlh symbolic, but is misinterpreted as apocalyptic.

Yesterday, radio show "On Point" had a show on new annotated Grimm's Faity Tales. The universal appeal of such dark stories makes me wonder if they are not in the same category here as the apocolyptic. Negative prophecies do seem to be like Grimm's fairy tales on a cultural level. Yes, it seems there is something here to be learned about the human psyche. I liked the comment on this radio show by a storyteller,, Laura Packer, who wrote

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Whenever I tell one of the Grimms' tales, or a modified version, my audiences are utterly spellbound. We *need* these stories. I tell principally to adults and every single time they hear a Grimm tale they are hungry for more, finding their own truths in these old tales.

We probably find our own truths in the apocalyptic also. Perhaps they are not meant to be taken literally.

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #125 - Oct 18^th, 2012 at 5:27am

Lucy wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 12:26am:

Perhaps they are not meant to be taken literally.

It would sure save us a lot of trouble.

I mean, there is no point in creating this planet over a time span of billions of years to come to a point where it is populated with billions of people and then suddenly let it all go to smithereens.

There is no loving and joyful sense in that.

If ultimate disaster were to be our faith I would say: Go F**k YourSelf.

You know?

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it Reply #126 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 11:55am Dr. Bob, have you been invited to pop up on Jay Leno's show already? You are so outstanding. Maybe you could be run over by some of his beautiful cars as well. By accident of course. "hahaha"
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Reply #127 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

"Please Mr. Leno, sir, I don't want to ruin the blue Mogmobile with splatters of red."

Happy accidents are welcome guests, and so is laughter. As for the music ending the show, too bad there are so few members left of Pink Floyd, as it would be fun to see if Jay could figure out who the pink one in the band was.

Your solar plexus chakra is working well, Mogenblue. Taking nothing personal makes the road easier.

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it Reply #128 - Oct 19^th, 2012 at 2:02pm Please stay tuned for the next episode of dr. Bobs Online AfterLife Journal when we will hear dr. Bob utter:
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BobMoenroe

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #129 - Oct 20^th, 2012 at 4:45am

Thanks for the episodic PR, but please use a different colour for the text than the background for the message to come through. Still not a doctor, though when in a hurry the handwriting can be quite convincing. If you mean patient, but say doctor, the point gets lost. Presenting a profound experience you had to your friends, they might not be impressed by you seeing angles. Choir of angles, not musically profound, more like avant garde, as in different angles. Seeing Natalie from a different angle, she could be sowing up and baffing about it, but not really, sort of.

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it Reply #130 - Oct 20^th, 2012 at 6:44am Dr. Bob, is your heart so battered and broken that you don't speak with love anymore?
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BobMoenroe

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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #131 - Oct 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am

Pssst, Mogen, meet me at the third paragraph.

If battered, bruised and wordy without love, is it okay that I add you to my list over where I go for hearty comfort?

Hey, there you are, where did you come from? Ok, nevermind. Words with love, without, passionate, apathetic; depend on other variables. Love showed with one or more actions - great! - sort of like: raising children are easy, until you have them. And there are other great topics and skills. If you are going for personal, still not working, but it's ok as that makes it funny, and in turn any old cold bite a little warmer. Would Natalie take this thread personally? Should she? Anyways, you want to try harder? Go for a walk by the sea? Want to have a listen to the guys who brought us Dark Side of The Moo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veSyrtnPLnM#t=02m54s

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it Reply #132 - Oct 20^th, 2012 at 11:09am Quote: If battered, bruised and wordy without love, is it okay that I add you to my list over where I go for hearty comfort? I think I'd rather see you crossing the street without looking around.
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Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it
Reply #133 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 2:52am

Hi Mogen, the mailbox is on the other side of road, so went there yesterday, without looking to the sides, to pick up the mail. Wish you were there to see it. It obviously wasn't a last look around, partly due to hearing any incoming cars, mostly because it's a quiet area. Went inside the house, picked up a flowery towel and wrapped it around the head. Hear no evil, see no evil, well, the sound was muffled. Going outside again was like playing hide and seek with just about everything. After a while I felt a tap on the shoulder. It was one of the neighbours, and she asked me a muffled question: "what are you doing messing my flowers about?" I told her the truth, while the tending of the flowers was a sight for sore eyes, the reason was simply this: conducting a fun experiment. She asked me if she was part of it, and told her not if you don't want to.

While drinking coffee a few minutes ago and going out for some fresh air, I was surprised to see some of the neighbours walking around with trousers, bedpans, curtains and what have you, on their heads. The ball and chain of a neighbour let her have it with words, "what will the other proper neighbours think about us?", but she was blowing up and laughing about it.

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Mogenblue Senior Member Offline dutch spirit Posts: 370 Amsterdam Gender:	Re: Natalie Sudman gets blown up and laughs about it Reply #134 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 3:01am The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein
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