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Aug 29th, 2012 at 6:06pm
 
In late June I flew from the west coast to Buffalo, NY to perform a wedding for a young man who was just a boy when I served as his pastor there in the early 2000s.  During my week-long stay there, 3 paranormal experiences were brought to my attention; and I've decided to share them under 3 themes: (1) an amazing healing in response to prayer; (2) the exorcism of a demonic haunting;
(3) a haunted house we visited--the Van Horn mansion.

(1) The groom's Dad, Mike, told me about his friend who was recently diagnosed with a huge inoperable tumor in the center of his brain (confirmed by MRIs and other medical means).  Doctors were about to perform additional tests to determine iwhether it was malignant,and  if so, how severely, when Mike's friend asked him to pray for his healing.  Mike did and subsequent MRIs confirmed that the tumor was gone!

When I returned to Washington state, I learned that a parishioner's mother had a huge malignant tumor atop her spinal column.  Its impact had damaged her optic nerve and her inner ear.  But after prayer, it calcified and was rendered harmless.  In one case, the tumor vanished; in the other case it did not, but was rendered harmless. 

On another site, I was engaged in an ongoing debate with a close-minded atheist, CH.  I typed a post, asking him how he would cope with his young son's serious sudden affliction.  Then I felt foolish because I knew nothing such an affliction.  So I changed the post to address the meaningfulness of his life if he were confined to a nusing home and could only hope for a rare successful bowel movement.  How then would he justify his constant claims that his life was just as meaningful as mine?  I puzzled over why my original post had presumed his young son's serious physical crisis.


Shortly thereafter, I learned that his 2-year-old had a large tumor attached to his heart and had suffered temporary cardiac arrest as a result.  The boy was fighting for his life, and now, though improved, for some quality of life after the brain damage.  He will apparently never ealk or speak again.  I was struck by the 2 reported healings of tumors shortly after I learned of CH's son's tumor.

I asked CH this question: Would you rather have  your son healed through prayer in a way that strongly pointed to divine intervention or cling to your atheistic belief that prayer is an ineffective waste of time and have this belief confirmed as a self-fulfilling prophecy?   I felt I needed to ask that question because I believed CH's close-mindedness would render my prayers for healing ineffective. 

CH dismissed the question as hateful and I've done a lot of soul-searching about its appropriateness.  In retrospect, I do think it was appropriate as tough love because it exposed just how close-minded CH is.  In fact, it is the sort of question that unglues atheists by pointing to the most important reason to explore the possibilties of faith by direct experience.  In CH's case, I think the hard truth is this: he would rather accept his son's disability as the enemy he knows and fit that reality into his worldview than see his son healed and have to rethink his atheism!  Odd that after CH took great offense, I was exposed to the 2 tumor healings I've just described. 

I will outline cases (2) and (3) in my next 2 planned posts.

Don

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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2012 at 7:45pm
 
Don:

I believe it was okay for you to ask the question you asked. This isn't the same thing, but if I had bad breath I'd rather have people tell me than spare my feelings, so I could do something to fix the problem.

I believe there are a lot of people in this World that have physical problems either because of psychological issues, an entity is attached to them, or a combination of these two factors.

I've told people about a psychological approach and usually they aren't real open to hearing what I say.  I figure they might have even more difficulty accepting the possibility that an unfriendly entity might be causing them problems.

I'm not one hundred percent certain, but I don't believe that it is always a matter of people preferring their beliefs so strongly that they are willing to hold onto their physical ailments. Rather, their way of understanding hasn't reached the point where they are able to consider an alternative way of thinking that will enable them to deal with their problem.
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Reply #2 - Aug 31st, 2012 at 2:00pm
 
(2) EXORCISM OF A PARANORMAL HAUNTING

When she was in high school, Karen's sister had dated a young man who worked at the local Burger King, Timothy McVeigh, and found him to be a very nice and courteous young man.  Who could have known he would become the Oklahoma City bomber?  Sometimes ordinary experience evolves into a ghastly outcome.

When I was their pastor in Buffalo, Mike and Karen often discussed the ralationship between Christianity and the paranormal with me.  Their younger son, N, did not seem interested in our discussions because they were too remote from his own life experience.

What none of us knew is that during my last year in Buffalo, N had become addicted to pharmaceuticals.  During one drug haze, he got a young lady pregnant out of wedlock.  Now his parents were helping him cope with a child he and his girlfriend were ill-equipped to raise as teenagers.  In the stress of his new responsbilities N joined some friends and went to see the horror movie 'Paranormal."  The fear generated by the movie combined with N"s sense of lostness to open him up to a haunting. 

The first symptom occurred when N was roused from his sleep in the dark by a bright light shining in his closet.  This paranormal light terrified him, but he tried to ignore it.  But then the light was accompanied by physical manifestations.  For example, the blankets were ripped from N's bed by an unseen hand.  After these manifestations lasted several days, two Pentecostal Christians were called to perform a "house cleaning" ritual, but this had no effect.  Then a Nigerian Catholic priest with experience with evil shamans was summoned and his "cleansing" eliminated the problem. The family seemed more interested in my own family's encoutners with the demonic as a result of this terrifying ordeal.  Was the entity a demon or a mischievous discarnate human?  Who can know?  But the effects of the haunting were horrific on an already very vulnerable teenager. 

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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2012 at 6:01pm
 
I thought I'd chime in on belief systems and the fact that he dismissed the question as hateful.

How many hands do you have? What if I told you I could pray and perhaps cure a condition that was causing you extreme emotional pain, if only you would give up your belief system that you have two hands, and instead accept that really you have three hands.

Maybe you would see this as cruel and hateful, because it is more than obvious to you that you have two hands and not three, and my assertion to the contrary means nothing because it is asking you to believe the impossible and untrue.

This is why I don't stomp on other people's belief systems on purpose (not saying I don't do it accidently.) They believe what they do because it is obvious to them; if what they believe weren't obvious, they would believe something else, and then that thing would be obvious.

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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2012 at 6:58pm
 
Mystic Tuba:

But every once in a while somebody listens. That being the case, I don't believe it is best to keep quiet because some people don't want to listen.

Nobody told the person Berserk communicated with that he had to take part on a public form.  If that person can't handle hearing and reading about differing viewpoints, perhaps he should isolate himself from the World by locking himself in his bedroom (no TV, radio, telephone or internet connection allowed.
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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2012 at 7:40pm
 
Keep in mind that I made no claim to be able to successfully pray for his 2-year-old son's healing.  I merely asked him a question which should have had a clear Yes or No answer: Would CH rather see his son healed in a way that seemed to confirm the intervention of a higher power than reaffirm his atheism by relying on (in this case) ineffective medical assistance.  The reason, I believe, that CH was so threatened, and hence offended, by the question is this: he could not tolerate even the possibility that faith in a higher power might at least in principle provide the solution to his heart's most desperate desire.  For very close-minded people, their rigid belief system (in this case atheism) is the nonnegotiable glue that keeps them together.  Therefore, it is unthinkable to even consider the possibility that they might be wrong, even if a healing of their most beloved were at stake.  CH could not bring himself to answer the question because it was too painful for him to admit this harsh truth about his unquestioned belief system as his top priority. 

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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 6:12am
 
"If that person can't handle hearing and reading about differing viewpoints, perhaps he should isolate himself from the World by locking himself in his bedroom (no TV, radio, telephone or internet connection allowed)."

Taking away one magical power and replacing it with asking someone to bow a magical power called The Divine Healing of Guru X, and the "offer" presented is still the same.

"Would you rather have  your son healed through prayer in a way that strongly pointed to divine intervention or cling to your atheistic belief that prayer is an ineffective waste of time and have this belief confirmed as a self-fulfilling prophecy?"

This is brazen and opportunistic dark side with complimentary cookies included.
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 1:15pm
 
I didn't suggest that somebody bow to a guru. Perhaps God (or one of his helpers) would help simply because he is a nice guy. Smiley

[quote author=032E230C2E242F332E24410 link=1346277979/6#6 date=1346667147]"If that person can't handle hearing and reading about differing viewpoints, perhaps he should isolate himself from the World by locking himself in his bedroom (no TV, radio, telephone or internet connection allowed)."

Taking away one magical power and replacing it with asking someone to bow a magical power called The Divine Healing of Guru X, and the "offer" presented is still the same.

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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 1:16pm
 
<<I asked CH this question: Would you rather have your son healed through prayer in a way that strongly pointed to divine intervention or cling to your atheistic belief that prayer is an ineffective waste of time and have this belief confirmed as a self-fulfilling prophecy?   I felt I needed to ask that question because I believed CH's close-mindedness would render my prayers for healing ineffective.>>

Hi Don and welcome back!

In thinking about your question, let's turn it around and consider this scenario:

Suppose we had a devout Christian whose son was the victim of a terminal disease.  All medical avenues were explored with no hope of a cure.  The death of the child was just a matter of time.  Many prayers were rendered but nothing seemed to help.  Nevertheless the man and his family and church continued their prayers.

Now, let's suppose a "medicine man" with all the charms and amulets came on the scene.  The man approached the father and said "Would you rather have your son healed through my magic  or cling to your Christian belief that prayer is an effective way to cure illness instead of its being a waste of time"? 

It kind of changes things doesn't it.  The reason it does is because the word athiest is fraught with negative connotations.  Where we stand, an athiest is someone who is wrong and who needs a change in his belief system.

But now we have a case where a good Christian man whose belief system is challenged by someone who most people would say is a phony and a fraud.

So in the first example, the atheist is challenged to change his belief system, but he doesn't and therefore he is "stuck" in a belief that we don't share.

But in the second example, we would no doubt support the Christian man if he would reject the medicine man's offer.  In this case the man has a belief system with which we agree.

It's all in our own perspective on things and where we ourselves stand on any particular issue.  Sometimes I wonder whether having a strong belief system is a negative or positive.

Like everything else, "it depends."

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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 1:20pm
 
Rondelle:

Sort of related, I'm not into fundamentalisn. On the other hand, I don't assume  that all shamans are legit. Some of them might gain assistance from unfriendly beings. Unfortunately, some people are naive and therefore are overly trusting of shamans.
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 1:23pm
 
Even though we don't want to be limited by our thoughts, I don't believe it is good to turn "belief" into a dirty word. Sometimes people believe things for good reasons. For example, I believe that unconditional love is a good thing. Does anybody want to fight me on this later point? Sad Smiley
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:14pm
 
"For example, I believe that unconditional love is a good thing. Does anybody want to fight me on this later point?"

Someone say they like a guru, non-duality or a course in miracles - and you would be fighting ... yourself?
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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:18pm
 
Hi Albert-

I would not fight you on your belief that unconditional love is a good thing.

But I would mention something about the word "unconditional."

Here is a quote from Guy De Maupassant, a 19th century French writer, about the word love:

"To love 'very much' is to love poorly: one loves -that is all- it cannot be modified or completed without being nullified." 

"It is a short word, but it contains all: it means the body, the soul, the life, the entire being.  We feel it as we feel the warmth of the blood, we breathe it as we breathe the air, we carry it in ourselves as we carry our thoughts.  Nothing more exists for us." 

"It is not a word; it is an inexpressible state indicated by four letters."

So let's consider PUL....the P and the U really are irrelevant.  Love simply IS.  It's a state of being.  To modify it in any way diminishes the true meaning of the word Love.

After all, Love cannot be impure, nor can it be conditional, and to think that it can is really a misunderstanding of what love really is.

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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:25pm
 
Rondelle:

Consider this example. In the office I work at there are small groups of friends and I suppose they love each other. Yet there are people within the office who get ignored by just about everybody including the groups of friends.

I figure that if the group of friends people understood about unconditional love, they'd open their hearts to everybody rather than acting as if some don't even exist.

Another example is racists. One might say that they love people they consider acceptable, but what about others?

I've found that the more I have allowed myself to live according to unconditional love rather than conditional love, the better my life experience has become. It isn't an all or nothing process. The more we allow ourselves to live according to unconditional love, the more we'll do so.
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Reply #14 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:38pm
 
Poster with an odd user name:

I created a site and wrote two books that to a significant extent serve the purpose of exposing the short comings of nonduality. A few people emailed me to say that what I had to say was very helpful. (I only know about the thoughtful people who took the time to write me.)

For example, one lady was doing quite well with her spirituality until she ran into nondual teachings. They had a negative effect. Then she found my site and found that what I had to say was very helpful. Here's a link to one of the relevant articles.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/articles-2012/nondual-teachings-my-likes-and-di...

Whether I was motivated by love when I put a lot of money, time and effort into making my books and site available--well--I feel okay about this matter.

When it comes to ACIM--please--don't get me started.

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"For example, I believe that unconditional love is a good thing. Does anybody want to fight me on this later point?"

Someone say they like a guru, non-duality or a course in miracles - and you would be fighting ... yourself?

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