Speaking of spiritual counterfeits, Swedenborg, who without question has explored the afterlife more comprehensively and exhaustively than any other person and who wrote many volumes about his findings, warned about the extensive amount of fraud and deception existing in the afterlife.

For that reason he advised others not to attempt to contact spirits.  It seems that spirits who we end up contacting are most likely those existing on the lower planes and who take great delight in dishing out false information. They can come across sounding very high minded and can convince us that they are looking out for our best interests with their advice and guidance. 

Apparently more highly evolved spirits are also more remote and inaccessible to those of us on the earth plane (except, of course, angels who on their own volition intercede on our behalf).

Bottom line- just because the source of information is from the other side, that is no reason to assume the information is true.

R

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Hehehe, stop bugging yourself by projecting your assumption @ yourself. Keeping in mind what you stated about speaking your mind based on your beliefs, and also keeping the topic in mind:

My belief is that a being said or proposed by written words to have miraculous powers, a master, and yet is powerless to stop a crucifixion, is at best hyped. In other words - jesus in the story let himself be nailed and killed, which is committing suicide, and even passed on the blame. A god creating the earth in 7 days, but can't stop a crucifixion.

Perhaps this is a bit too persistent, but I love the profound effect logic can have.

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Logical suicide, the plot thickens.

I think wine and channeling don't go together too very well, juditha.

God bless xxx
Mogenblue

I would have to argue that those that study the reproductive process completely understand how children are created to the point of creating an artificial womb. Of course, the general public does not have this knowledge. But that is why people specialize in certain areas. I am certain human cloning is already possible with our current technology, we, as humans have too many laws stopping science however.

I attempted to post directly under Post#9 as my query is specific to Mr. Moen's entry...

How are unresolved issues associated with suicide any different than similar issues that are not resolved due to an accidental death?

If the suicidal person is despondent because of decades of unacceptable interactions with humans on earth, how will will the the suicide have the same problems after their death?

From reading Monroe's books, the entities one encounters after death are, with the exception of the newly deceased, not the incompetent egotists here on the blue planet.

It is curious that the topic of suicide is not discussed directly in either the Monroe books or any of the Toltec literature concerning I am familiar with.

Both bodies of work mention the issue, but don't speak directly to it.

Monroe wrote in UJ:

Chapter 7
"You are being human at your own option in the strictest sense. That option remains in force throughout your visit. You may pack up your experience and leave whenever and for wherever you desire with no censure or penalties from any source that matters"

Chapter 16
Monroe writes what are Knowns about the Creator:

"does not punish for "evil" and "misdeeds"



The above text seems to indicated that suicide is a valid option...

The only text I have read in the Toltec canon is a brief quote from Juan Matus that "...some men of knowledge choose death" (my paraphasing).

Perhaps the individuals that Mr. Moen encountered died at their own hand without an understanding of the afterlife and/or were hobbled by their life exposure to standard belief systems that describe punishment or reward after human death.

The Toltec path is interesting to me in that the parallels with Monroe's work are incredible and undeniable.

Thanks for your prompt response.

I'm not really with you on the defense concept.

I view the negative aspects of humanity not necessarily as an offensive body to actively defend against, althought that is often the case.

I was communicating more from a view of our existence being poisoned by the combined negative mental/spiritual effluvium of our billions. The image I perceive is a toxic myasma generated by humans as we muddle about on earth: misled, deluded, violent.

I see the response, in the context of incompetent egotists, as being more filtering or separation, I don't perceive it as a phalanx against which one can raise a shield or dodge an incoming pike.