I agree.

i am a medium and i can assure everyone when u commit suicide u go to heaven its a known fact dianna

Being to hell and back is no excuse for lack of punctuation, dianna. Having compassion about it, not handing out pardons to the "quitters", is already a common experience on earth. Doesn't take godlike powers to do that.

I suspect that the beginning of wisdom is when we realize that neither we, nor a master or guru, has all of the answers.  Probably not even all of the questions......

I suspect the afterlife is so extraordinarily complex and multi-layered that even advanced spirits are still searching for what's over the next hill.

When we indulge in these back and forth "disputes" as to who knows what, it's kind of like a pair of goldfish in a tank thinking that the glass walls represent the boundaries of the known world.

R

Sometimes, when others state that their own masters are the only "true voice," there are some on this board  (myself included, Albert and a few others) who speak up and say  - "not so fast",  That many people on this board believe in personal exploration and experience,  - not being told to believe in the system of another based on a text only, be it a guru, "master of light" etc.  Once in a while, I am compelled to speak, for I feel that the casual reader, or "newbie" could get confused. 

Glad the discourse is back on track.  My thoughts are that it is not so simple, with suicides, to say that "all will be well," or conversely "all will be horrible."  In part, it is their emotional state on passing on, and the person's openness to help, which will likely determine how they fare. 

Matthew

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Somewhere in the all well, all horrible section, a true story. There are two friends that at one point in time both contemplated suicide without the other one knowing. One put up a sign on a door leading inside the house, urging visitors to leave the house and call medical personnel. He changed his mind. The very next day he got news about his friend shooting himself in the head at his parents' house. One got the emotional impact on earth (also seeing what might have been) and one in the afterlife. Some stories are stranger than fiction.

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Speaking one's mind based on beliefs sounds about right.

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So, in 2000 years people will adore you, but right now you're being crucified? More like you brewing a storm in a glass of water because your beliefs were questioned, in a factual manner. Being a complete idiot was then one of your responses, which is you causing a snowstorm in a snow globe.

Mogenblue - sure, a point is probably missed in that regard. Advices, philosophies, thoughts and so on can be interesting to hear about and explore. But no matter how anybody present themselves, good or bad, they're not going to be my master nor lord.

Do you have any thoughts about suicide that are yours, and not part your masters' work?

Mogenblue,

I am a devout Christian who believes for many reasons that Jesus and God are major players in the afterlife.  I don't apologize for posts that express this bias (hopefully with good evidence) on this site.  But I don't expect anyone to simply submit to my spiritual perspective; on the contray, I eocourage and expect disagreement, especially from those with non-Christian backgrounds and from those whose exposure to the church has been negative, even toxic.  Everything spiritually worthwhile has its spiritual counterfeit.  So on a site like this with its great diversity of posters, we must simply embrace the need to disagree agreeably.  That, of course, is also the proper Christian response. In astral or OBE research, it is incredbily hard to sort out facts from interpretation and prior expectation.  Our best hope is to encourge diversity of interpretation and seek to develop criteria to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Don